How do you guys do the "no contact" thing?

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16 Dec 2019, 4:59 am

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I actually don’t live in a small town; I live in a city. However, it is small compared to Austin.

I don't have much experience with cities around 100 000 citizens... and certainly the US cities are different than Eastern European ones.
Anyway, I'm sure being a geek would be easier in a bigger city.


My mother used to live in Austin and I sometimes tell her I wish she didn’t move from there before I was born. I would’ve had a better life than the one I have.

My redneck father actually aspires to live in a trailer park before he dies. I am just glad he doesn’t try to tell me how to live anymore.

I occasionally see some geeky people but they don’t seem interested in making new friends. I tried to join a college anime club that my friend said was open to even non-goers of that particular college (it wasn’t) but the people I met didn’t welcome me. They didn’t even introduce themselves to me and go inside the bookstore they said they were going to. They just made some small talk and then dispersed. I do feel anxious whenever I see groups of geeky people despite how I wish I could be a part of them. Even in the geek world, I still struggle to socialize since I fell behind in my developmental years.

Even though I am no longer part of a Meet Up group that superficially catered to geeks and nerds, people still try to recommend that group to me despite how I spent three years going to it and I had to leave because I kept getting pushed to the wayside in it.



My experience too, a proof that geekiness has nothing to do with AS; many geeks in these events are sociable. Most meet-up groups have already-friends cliques, so if you don't bring already-friends along with you then it won't work; which is ironic regarding the Meetup's purpose.

It's a different monster.



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16 Dec 2019, 7:39 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
My experience too, a proof that geekiness has nothing to do with AS; many geeks in these events are sociable. Most meet-up groups have already-friends cliques, so if you don't bring already-friends along with you then it won't work; which is ironic regarding the Meetup's purpose.

It's a different monster.

That was my experience as well. I went a meetup 'geek' event once presuming that they would be open minded and full of Aspies or at least Aspie friendly people but the reality was the complete opposite: I couldn't possibly have been given a colder shoulder by the groups I tried. I literally was more welcomed by a group of stoners when I don't even touch drugs.



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16 Dec 2019, 12:58 pm

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My experience too, a proof that geekiness has nothing to do with AS; many geeks in these events are sociable. Most meet-up groups have already-friends cliques, so if you don't bring already-friends along with you then it won't work; which is ironic regarding the Meetup's purpose.

It's a different monster.

That was my experience as well. I went a meetup 'geek' event once presuming that they would be open minded and full of Aspies or at least Aspie friendly people but the reality was the complete opposite: I couldn't possibly have been given a colder shoulder by the groups I tried. I literally was more welcomed by a group of stoners when I don't even touch drugs.


I’ve been recommended to seek out “stoners” in my area but there are none. Just cigarette binging rednecks who smell horrible and country music blazing in the dive bars. I don’t think that’s “stoner culture” since there are no hippies or Rastas, actual “stoner music” like stoner rock, and no sex-positive interactions.



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16 Dec 2019, 2:16 pm

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That was my experience as well. I went a meetup 'geek' event once presuming that they would be open minded and full of Aspies or at least Aspie friendly people but the reality was the complete opposite: I couldn't possibly have been given a colder shoulder by the groups I tried. I literally was more welcomed by a group of stoners when I don't even touch drugs.


A lot of drugs make socializing easier and also make 'weird' conversation topics more palatable to folks who might otherwise not approve of such discussions, especially the ones people are prone to taking in social settings (stimulants, empathogens, psychedelics).


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16 Dec 2019, 2:22 pm

Marknis wrote:
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My experience too, a proof that geekiness has nothing to do with AS; many geeks in these events are sociable. Most meet-up groups have already-friends cliques, so if you don't bring already-friends along with you then it won't work; which is ironic regarding the Meetup's purpose.

It's a different monster.

That was my experience as well. I went a meetup 'geek' event once presuming that they would be open minded and full of Aspies or at least Aspie friendly people but the reality was the complete opposite: I couldn't possibly have been given a colder shoulder by the groups I tried. I literally was more welcomed by a group of stoners when I don't even touch drugs.


I’ve been recommended to seek out “stoners” in my area but there are none. Just cigarette binging rednecks who smell horrible and country music blazing in the dive bars. I don’t think that’s “stoner culture” since there are no hippies or Rastas, actual “stoner music” like stoner rock, and no sex-positive interactions.


To be fair, folks who use illicit substances often make a point of not discussing the behaviour with folks who don't.

Analogous, there's a Freemason lodge in my town, but I haven't seen any further evidence of Masonic activity or culture. That doesn't mean the Freemasons aren't aware of their activity and culture and membership.


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17 Dec 2019, 3:24 am

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what do you think is an alternative to quantum physics?


I'd welcome anything that appeals to my intuitive understanding of physics and nature. It shouldn't create paradoxes and it should not be so complex so only the inventors themselves can understand it. It should not violate causality, should not create distorted time or space and no extra dimensions that nobody can understand anyway.

How about agreement with experimental data?


That's not as easy as we think. Obviously, it's impossible to prove that any of the Lorenz transformations are real. They are just equations that makes sense in electromagnetic fields and they are similar to the wave equations for sound waves. Once it was believed that awful things would happen if you travel at the speed of sound or above it, and it's impossible to do without using jet motors or similar, but it was clearly possible. I think electromagnetic fields are similar. You cannot accelerate things beyond the speed of light with electromagnetic fields, but that doesn't mean you cannot do it in other ways. The analogy with sound waves is interesting in other aspects too. You can add infinite energy to a propeller and you still will not be able to travel faster than sound. You can also add infinite energy to a charged particle and it still won't travel faster than light. If you use the propulsion technique instead, you should be able to travel at any speed. So, the proof for the validity of the theory of relativity will be to prove that the Lorenz transformations are valid outside of the accelerator.

Some of the new models (like Big Bang and string theory) has so many parameters that they can be adapted to any experimental data. And the theory of relativity originally was not compatible with Doppler effect, rather was adapted to it.



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17 Dec 2019, 5:01 am

Relativistic Doppler effect can be derived directly from Lorenz transform using high school Math.
But I already stated it and you decided to keep claiming otherwise.

Synchrotrons work. GPS works. Spintronics works. Quantum dots do what they are expected to do. Absorbtion and emission spectra of atoms and molecules match predictions. Lamb shift is measurable.

You can keep ignoring it because it contradicts your intuition. I can't fight strong beliefs.

I guess I have nothing more to say on the topic.


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17 Dec 2019, 11:21 am

GiantHockeyFan wrote:
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My experience too, a proof that geekiness has nothing to do with AS; many geeks in these events are sociable. Most meet-up groups have already-friends cliques, so if you don't bring already-friends along with you then it won't work; which is ironic regarding the Meetup's purpose.

It's a different monster.

That was my experience as well. I went a meetup 'geek' event once presuming that they would be open minded and full of Aspies or at least Aspie friendly people but the reality was the complete opposite: I couldn't possibly have been given a colder shoulder by the groups I tried. I literally was more welcomed by a group of stoners when I don't even touch drugs.



I was active in an hobbyist game development community (a hobby that I have abandoned, no more time for it), and all its gathering were like this; even thought I was one of the two who ever completed development a game.

The fellas look geek but are social as f :lol:
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I no idea where they pulled this super old and ugly pic of mine.

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01 Jan 2020, 8:44 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
what do you think is an alternative to quantum physics?


Reality is.



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19 Jan 2020, 5:26 pm

You do "no contact" by having no contact. Anything else is called "mind games".


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19 Jan 2020, 5:42 pm

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You do "no contact" by having no contact. Anything else is called "mind games".


Your reply is outdated. I did "no contact" since mid-October till mid-November. But after I was done with "no contact" she was the one who stopped responding.

I now feel like she played mind games too. She acted towards me in such a way that caused me to come up with an idea of no contact. Yet I was thinking it was "my" idea until much much later when I realized I was doing "her" bidding.

Why did she do it? Probably because I acted needy and clingy. But, regardless of how I acted, why does it justify her manipulating me? Why not be more straightforward?



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19 Jan 2020, 5:57 pm

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You do "no contact" by having no contact. Anything else is called "mind games".


Your reply is outdated. I did "no contact" since mid-October till mid-November. But after I was done with "no contact" she was the one who stopped responding.

I now feel like she played mind games too. She acted towards me in such a way that caused me to come up with an idea of no contact. Yet I was thinking it was "my" idea until much much later when I realized I was doing "her" bidding.

Why did she do it? Probably because I acted needy and clingy. But, regardless of how I acted, why does it justify her manipulating me? Why not be more straightforward?


I replied the same thing, months ago. (Admittedly, I didn't need to repeat myself ... so my apologies).

You did do "no contact", but you did it to manipulate her reaction. You fully expected contact to continue, after you played with her emotions for a while. The fact that you were asking for advice of how to manipulate her by doing "no contact" (beyond "having no contact"), shows that you were orchestrating the ordeal all along.


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19 Jan 2020, 6:09 pm

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You do "no contact" by having no contact. Anything else is called "mind games".


Your reply is outdated. I did "no contact" since mid-October till mid-November. But after I was done with "no contact" she was the one who stopped responding.

I now feel like she played mind games too. She acted towards me in such a way that caused me to come up with an idea of no contact. Yet I was thinking it was "my" idea until much much later when I realized I was doing "her" bidding.

Why did she do it? Probably because I acted needy and clingy. But, regardless of how I acted, why does it justify her manipulating me? Why not be more straightforward?


I replied the same thing, months ago. (Admittedly, I didn't need to repeat myself ... so my apologies).

You did do "no contact", but you did it to manipulate her reaction. You fully expected contact to continue, after you played with her emotions for a while. The fact that you were asking for advice of how to manipulate her by doing "no contact" (beyond "having no contact"), shows that you were orchestrating the ordeal all along.


I admit I was. I am just saying she did too. It was double-manipulation: she manipulated me into thinking I was manipulating her.



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19 Jan 2020, 6:21 pm

QFT wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
QFT wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
You do "no contact" by having no contact. Anything else is called "mind games".


Your reply is outdated. I did "no contact" since mid-October till mid-November. But after I was done with "no contact" she was the one who stopped responding.

I now feel like she played mind games too. She acted towards me in such a way that caused me to come up with an idea of no contact. Yet I was thinking it was "my" idea until much much later when I realized I was doing "her" bidding.

Why did she do it? Probably because I acted needy and clingy. But, regardless of how I acted, why does it justify her manipulating me? Why not be more straightforward?


I replied the same thing, months ago. (Admittedly, I didn't need to repeat myself ... so my apologies).

You did do "no contact", but you did it to manipulate her reaction. You fully expected contact to continue, after you played with her emotions for a while. The fact that you were asking for advice of how to manipulate her by doing "no contact" (beyond "having no contact"), shows that you were orchestrating the ordeal all along.


I admit I was. I am just saying she did too. It was double-manipulation: she manipulated me into thinking I was manipulating her.


Hence, mind games from both of you.


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