05 Oct 2007, 5:15 pm
05 Oct 2007, 5:21 pm
Ragtime wrote:
If I state that I believe A, then I'm also stating I don't believe the opposite of A. (See: Laws of Logic.)
So, when I state A, and other people come back with, "WHAT?! Surely you're not saying you don't believe the opposite of A?!??
", naturally, I'm going to say, "You're right. I actually believe my beliefs."
So, when I state A, and other people come back with, "WHAT?! Surely you're not saying you don't believe the opposite of A?!??
", naturally, I'm going to say, "You're right. I actually believe my beliefs."Hate to say this, but someday you will
have to learn, you aren't going to find
your God, WITHIN the laws of logic. Not
the one's that we commonly use.
Plus A => ~~A is a construct which is unnecessary,
and quite possibly misleading. There are simpler logics
than the classical, which are often more useful
05 Oct 2007, 5:23 pm
05 Oct 2007, 5:25 pm
shadexiii wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Uh oh what?
You just divided by zero.
Perhaps there's some heresy which
can pull him out of this problem?
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05 Oct 2007, 6:44 pm
Ragtime wrote:
shadexiii wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
shadexiii wrote:
You can hold a belief, hear another, and say you find your beliefs to be better suited for you.
But with deep beliefs, one doesn't truly believe those beliefs are merely "better suited" to him.
Rather, such a person believes his deepest beliefs are true. Else, they're not deep beliefs.
You can hold them to be true without passing judgment, no?
Hmmm, since you're the one who passed judgment on me, by claiming I was passing judgment by stating my beliefs, you tell me. Can a Christian, oh great shadexiii, state his beliefs without passing judgment on others? I'll not know until you answer, since you are the great arbiter of such weighty matters.
he has already said you can state your beliefs w/o passing judgment...
havent you noticed from MANY people here that you seem to have a bit of an attitude problem? i heard you accusing someone on this thread of being prideful... you're one of the more prideful people i know here. and you come accross very condescending and you do tend to dis a lot of other relgions or denominations.
not saying you need to retract anything you've already said, just try to keep it in mind.
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05 Oct 2007, 6:50 pm
calandale wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
calandale wrote:
Hell, he doesn't buy that Catholics can
be Christian.
be Christian.
I wouldn't say that, some of them could be. But praying to the "Saints and Mary" has sure got to count against them in the long run.
Cal misquoted me anyway, but what else is new?
I clearly said that I'm quite sure some Catholics are saved. (Nice job, cal. Wanna try getting one right now?)No. I didn't 'misquote' you. I was just relying
upon my memory of your Catholic bashing
threads, from eras past.
yes... i recall your general disapproval and damnation of them as well... which was one religious group i was referring to in my last post
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05 Oct 2007, 8:08 pm
Ragtime wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
calandale wrote:
greenblue wrote:
You have a funny idea of what a "real" or "true" christian is.
SImple: Those in the Church of Ragtime.
Seriously. So many sects are like this.
Hell, he doesn't buy that Catholics can
be Christian.
Church of Ragtime?
I can't even count the number of Christians whose core views on God and family I totally agree with -- and some of these people I've never personally met, but have only read their views, and I agree completely with what they described. I'm a mainline conservative Christian; I don't even have a denomination.More like "Church of Calandale", from the bizarre views you've described...
And, BTW, I wouldn't in a million years want to lead my own congregation.
However, I am a member of a congregation, and we all hold the same core beliefs, and we discuss them in detail amongst ourselves every week. We're very open about our doctrines and the science/logic behind them. Far from simply and lazily deciding to conform, we think out and question each view, and explore it fully.It just cracks me up how ignorant you people are about me!
Don't enlighten these people too much. Your choice, but I wouldn't go for it.
"The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it" (John 1:5).
This place is a black hole. I was referring to talking about yourself; don't give them too much ammunition, those that hate God will hate you too.
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05 Oct 2007, 8:20 pm
05 Oct 2007, 8:27 pm
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
shadexiii wrote:
Agnostics are just as varied as Christians.
It doesn't matter about varieties of agnosticism; liberal, pew-warming, "use-God-as-a-windshield-wiper-for-sin", "christians" are not Christians. The most good they do is Praise-and-Worship, but they don't even believe in God! Rejecting the foundational Book of the Judeo-Christian faith and they have the gall to call themselves "believers"? What do they believe in?! Some people who claim to be Christians just plain aren't.
So you are saying, only fundamentalist/conservative christians are Christians and all the other denominations are not. Thanks a lot for illustrating everyone's point.
You are even more hilarious than our other friend here, keep it up with the entertainment
05 Oct 2007, 8:33 pm
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
This place is a black hole.
Which place? Wrongplanet?
I wonder what are you doing here then.
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
those that hate God will hate you too.
No one here hates God, wether they believe in him or not, they don't hate him, and they don't even hate Ragtime either, I think they must find him interesting, and parakeet, you sound even more arrogant than he is. Oh well.
05 Oct 2007, 8:50 pm
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
This place is a black hole. I was referring to talking about yourself; don't give them too much ammunition, those that hate God will hate you too.
I do not hate something which I do not believe in. At the same time, I do not claim to know that such a god does not exist. If there is one, great, I hope it will be as wise and forgiving as so many claim, and understand that I'm just a dumb human, unwilling to blindly believe in something that I see no evidence of, possibly "condemning" myself to hell, rather than believing in something, anything, for the wrong reasons. At the same time, I'm not going to claim that I know there isn't a god. I'm simply refusing to claim that I have knowledge or comprehension of something that cannot be "known" in a purely scientific sense.
If there is a god, or gods for that matter, I'd like to think that such a god would understand that, and would judge me on the life I lived, not on the faith I followed.
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05 Oct 2007, 8:59 pm
greenblue wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
shadexiii wrote:
Agnostics are just as varied as Christians.
It doesn't matter about varieties of agnosticism; liberal, pew-warming, "use-God-as-a-windshield-wiper-for-sin", "christians" are not Christians. The most good they do is Praise-and-Worship, but they don't even believe in God! Rejecting the foundational Book of the Judeo-Christian faith and they have the gall to call themselves "believers"? What do they believe in?! Some people who claim to be Christians just plain aren't.
So you are saying, only fundamentalist/conservative christians are Christians and all the other denominations are not. Thanks a lot for illustrating everyone's point.
You are even more hilarious than our other friend here, keep it up with the entertainment
People from any denomination can be Christians, but those who reject the Bible are not.
05 Oct 2007, 9:01 pm
05 Oct 2007, 9:03 pm
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