Why do girls want cocky, arrogant guys?

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ha, i love my 89. Faster, simpler and cheaper to maintain with more features than alot of newer cars on the road. I dont get why some people (maybe ignorance) seem to prize newer cars in that way. I go by the old addage that if a female wants me for my car, then I don't want her. My friend picks up alot of women in his acura with its 20" chromy rims, but those are not the kind i'm after . Oh well (goes back to being lonely). Besides. Its fun driving an old beater with just a pair of boost guages inside, people going "whats that?" You flooring it and their eyes welling up huge because they're having a hard time trying to not be pinned to the headrest.

Mine's a Ford XF Falcon GL Sedan, 1986 build, V6, 3.9 litre alloy II head, automatic, power steering, dual fuel, with airconditioning and electric arial.

In other words, it's got stang! I get a nice big engine AND it's cheap to run cos it's on gas! What can I say? Handles like a kitten... just not sure yet whether the kitten is docile or vicious!

ha ha. hmm, those are nice vehicles. So i guess its quick eh? And you take care of the old girl? Did that 3.9 motor come to the states? I drive a turbo'd 1989 volvo with stuff done to the motor and turbo system. The outside stays looking close to stock, but those who care to jump inside are usually surprised at how it accelerates, handles and coddles its passengers. I use its general crappiness of exterior to weed out the materialistic minded women.

Oh yes we are. We aren't "fallen angels"; we're "risen apes", and EVERYTHING about our behavior and biology says this. We are not "intelligent beings" either, but rather instinctive beings with intelligence. I'm not denying free will, but genes and impulses still govern everything we do, in ways that we aren't consciously aware of. This especially applies to those instincts that govern the oldest game of them all: the mating game.

Quite the opposite? I thought the satire was obvious. It's times like this I doubt I'm a true Aspie.

Maybe so, but it's the best advice I can give here. The moment you stop caring about meeting the shallow expectations of NT women whom you probably won't like much in the long-run anyway, and start raising your own standards, and seek kinship with those more like you is the moment your chances will increase ten-fold.

*giggles* What a good trick! I'm afraid that I am usually more of a Holden girl, but seeing as my baby came for $1000 with no rust and all the above, I didn't REALLY mind: besides, I'm thinking of getting a bumper sticker with "I'm really a Monaro in disguise" to put on it! As for handling, I think she's pretty sweet! I haven't actually *got* her yet as dad's giving me the car I think when I get my P's (I'm procrastinating!), but the few times I've driven have been really good: I'm used to driving mum's Hyundai, so driving the Ford is like WOW OMG NO KIDDING YOU PUT THE FOOT ON THE EXCELERATOR TO GO UP A HILL AND IT ACTUALLY KEEPS GOING AT THE SAME SPEED! Oh, and the steering is great, makes the Hyundai feel like a bag of nails! It's not *too* light either: I once drove a VS that was way too light for my liking, felt like every time I moved the car veered! :S

Hehe, I'm gonna need some help choosing names though! She's white, so I was thinking Fred, George, Snowflake or Buttercup. ALL fall into the category of Aspie humour, so don't even THINK about telling me off for using boring names or girly ones! Fred cos I'm Fred, George cos it's wicked, Snowflake cos it's white and as a name for a car it's purely hilarious, and Buttercup cos it's possibly even funnier than Snowflake!

what about the shallow expectations of women with AS? (i definitely admit to a few). or the ""profound" expectations of NT women? still think you're tarring everyone with the same brush.

and what have i got to blame serissa for?

*giggles* I think it was Serissa's quote: I recognise seeing it before...

Guilty as charged.

I just did: preference.

And saying that people's attractions of the opposite sex is solely based on a genetic premise is not only an inaccurate statement to make, but an arrogant one as well.

There are other factors involved as to why and how relationships fail and work.

I must be quite arrogant because i am only attracted to who my body tells me to be attracted to. Of course other factors come into play once the relationship is started and people can use their brains not to go out with someone that is bad news but it is still animal attraction that gets you to fancy someone. Without that i might as well have a relationship with anyone that i find intelligent and get on with.

One of the things that always seems to lure me to someone is are they cute? I'm not talking about Brad Pitt cuteness, but have to agree we all have things we find cute about someone. From there we decide how will we go about getting to know this person. After I get to know someone, generally they become more attractive to me. I think at that point other things start to endear them to you, the way they smile, laugh, the way the treat me. All of those come into play but only after I've found them to be cute in some way. Maybe it's his smile, or the way he laughs, but it's always something!! !
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Conditioning?

Think about it. We're inundated from an early age with images and stereotypes of the ideal male or female mate. Geeky types are just not drilled into our subconcious as a desireable type to mate with the way the so-called heartbreakers are.

I happen to like a quieter, more thoughtful, introspetcive, and intellectual sort of guy, and I'm willing to shop out of my age bracket to get one. I cannot tell you just how much criticism, ridicule, and outright laughter I've received from other women on the sorts of men that I find appealing (meanwhile, I stand back with raised eyebrow at all the BS they put up with from their studs- drinking too much, cheating with their best friends, and treating them badly overall). They seem to just have this ingrained idea that a man has to be difficult to deal with to be worth having.

I'm arrogant? Then I should be getting a lot of chicks then, right?

For sure, but it is why women like cocky and arrogant guys, for the most part.

Wow, you really seem to despise the fact that humans are animals. Anyway, the statement was about attraction, not relationships. And you're reducing my post to a straw man; genetics isn't the only thing that influences our tastes, as societal expectations do as well. But guess what? Genetics also influence society, but in less obvious ways. Go read Desmound Morris for some perspective.

Okay, let me examine this a little deeper. Why is it that cocky and arrogant guys are attractive to women? Arrogance is like garlic; by itself it's disgusting, but it can add flavor. Arrogance properly mixed with humor can be hilarioius, and endearing to many people. In short, it is not the arrogance of the cocky guy that turns a woman on, but his confidence. He has a brazen attitude that says he's not going to let anyone rain on his parade. He's going to have fun and joke around whether you tell him to or not. Likewise, the jerk also has confidence going for him. It isn't his jerkiness that women find attractive, but the sense of excitement and confidence he creates.

Now, as for the quiet, contemplative "Nice Guy", or Aspie guy, his niceness isn't a turn-off, but his lack of confidence is. He is rather unpretentious and unassuming, and seen as "serious" or "boring" to most people (and therefore unattractive). We also tend to spend a lot of time contemplating deep issues such as science, religion, politics, philosophy etc., that are not particularly fun to discuss (unless the woman in question is also an intellectual, or better yet an Aspie).

Many women end up dating "jerks" when they're young and marrying "nice guys" later in life, but even this isn't set in stone. You see, the "nice guy" is a nurterer, so he makes for a more stable and providing mate, while the cocky, funny, arrogant jerks are more attractive on a primal level, and have more desireable genes.

About 10% of people in the US at least were not fathered by the man who they believe is their father. Odd as it may sound, women who have affairs often unconsciously have sex with their lovers when they are ovulating most. It's like nature's strategy of selecting the best genetic material while seeking security from the best provider.

But . . . why are these traits unconsciously deemed as "attractive" and "the best"? This really goes back to what I was saying about women desiring "strong" men in prehistoric times by necessity. If not physically strong in this case, but strength of character. Subconsciously, they still want the "alpha males". This is also why I said (cynically) that women are "insecure" and excused for being "weak" because they still seek "strong" men when their intellects tell them otherwise, since these principles do not speak very highly for the nature of attraction.

But ths is only initial, visceral attraction we're talking about. The kind that seduces you and wears you out. To the older, more mature, and more jaded, attraction can be more emotional and intellectual, but these are deeper levels of thinking, and sadly, most people aren't too deep.

And that's because you're a cool girl. You're in the top 10%.

This is exactly the sort of thing I was talking about.

I see this got lost on this thread.

I wanted to respond because I have been co-dependent. Because I was raised to belive my value only came from some guy I fell into this trap. It took a lot of years and a lot of unconditional love for me to overcome this issue. I really do not to this day totally understand why I acted the way I did I just know I lost my complete idenity and felt if I was not with this person I would cease to exist. I still struggle to keep my self view above the water and not fall into this trap again. Luckly I am married to someone that values me for myself even when I don't.

I think a lot of this occured because of the abuse in my past. Because my first two experiances with males in a dating situation were violent I divorced my mind from my body and really did not worry about who I was with.

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I still don't think people do like cocky guys... I know I don't!