men who won't date fat women

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The thing about leagues is that when I think a guy is hot, I always think immediately that he is out of my league. I'm not hot at all and I really don't think I'm pretty, and I've gotten over that for the most part and learned to use personality and good grooming to take the place of that, but even if everybody else were to tell me that the guy I focused on is much below me on a league scale, I don't believe them and am actually intimidated inside because I will feel that he's way out of my league. So, even if you were to find someone on the exact same spot in the good looking meter or below you, there's a good chance you will feel that they are out of your league anyway.

Then again, that could just be me.

OOM, seems like you partly see yourself at your worst, thus thinking you're not worthy of of what you like.

Kjas, the thing about leagues is they don't guarantee matching. Two 7s don't match up better than a 8 and a 4. Because matching is up to the individuals. Leagues are mostly to see how picky you can get.

Devise a solid system to calculate it - and I may seriously consider it.

Because the last system that was proposed on here to calculate it, most of the people I was dating were either 9 or 10's if you used it to calculate - and that simply *cannot* be correct.

That's what I tried explaining last post. We all have our own individual system to calculate people. There just happen to be things most of us share in common between our own systems. For example, I have a thing for redheads, someone might not. So in my system a redhead (who pulls it off) would rank higher than in person Bs system.

That would mean that there is no universal system of leagues though - which is essentially what most in favour of leagues claim.
Which is kind of good because it means I can keep working on my compatibility model in the meantime.

I was called ugly almost every day by other kids till I was about 15 or so. Even though I know I'm not "ugly" I also know I'm not pretty too, and it sort of stuck. Logically I know that I probably think I am much worse looking than I am and that I'm probably average, but in my head I never will be. I'm ok with that though. I know that I'm probably wrong about myself and I'm resigned to feeling that way no matter what is said to me. Nobody else can change this opinion, I've had it for this long and I'm 49 now. Do I wish I could revise my opinion of my looks? Of course. Do I wish even more that I looked better? You betcha! Whats telling to me though, is that if I were to be given a choice of having plastic surgery that would make be look beautiful in my opinion (and in other's opinion too) or having therapy/hypnosis/meds/whatever, that gave me a more realistic view of my appearance now, I would pick the plastic surgery. Even knowing that I would find something wrong with myself after the plastic surgery.

You're preaching to the preacher on this one. I'm pretty sure those who speak well of me do it to make me feel good, not because they actually mean it

D&D fans have their own guild...I mean league

Would you date, let's say for example, a garbage cleaner with nothing more than school degree even if he's fairly attractive, super nice and have some hobbies in common?

It's simple, if you are really a no-league then your answer should be yes, other than that means you're another human.

So Yes or No?

Sure Boo, I have no problem with that. Why would I?

So you mean I have cock and balls in all my photos?

EEK!

Because 90% of university-degree girls would, so I though it would be very probable that you would too.

Kindness and compassion will go a lot further in a relationship than a degree will.
People also almost always undervalue the former significantly in favour of the latter, and do not realise their mistake until it is too late.

Think back to about a year ago. I aint' saying nothing.

I would date him, and I notice you mention university girls, but I've been to college twice and quit over halfway through both times, but I still would. For me, first I have to be attracted to their looks, and then their personalities. I never much cared what a guy did for a living, as long as he was cute and I liked him. I think league has to do with jobs, but I think it has more to do with looks and personality than jobs. But then it varies with different folks. Some girls may flat out refuse to date a blue collar guy no matter how hot or great he is, and some may refuse to date a guy who isn't uberhot no matter how great he is or the job he has. Different things matter to different girls. I've never been much into dating a guy for money or his job. I should have probably rethought that back then, but I don't want to be unhappy for life just for a few cushy things.

Gotta say, I would disagree. The higher degree you have on your own, the more you dont need to look at the degree of your partner. So I am into feminism and that stuff, means everybody shall be the way he prefers to be. But when its about partnership, you also have to think about stuff like building a house, buying kitchen gears, .... simply money. We dont live anymore in the 19th century, where money was automatic a male-topic and caring for the home was automatic a female-topic, but at least one of both has to focus on earning the money you need as partners. If you are a woman and earn 600 Dollar at Mc Donalds for room cleaning, then dating a school janitor is a problem, not because of him being a school janitor, but because none of both earning enough for a family, so dating doesnt make much sense, when anyway how much sympathy there is, never will be able to afford a family. While if you earn yourself enough, the less you need to care for how much your partner earns. I think its also important, how much experiences the involved have. The less experience, the more often the are only seeking for external preferences, making their partner to a kind of status symbol. If you are still searching for a status symbol as partner, you wont be happy with a janitor. If you are already searching for a real matching life partner, the external preferences become less and less important.

About these league stuff: There are no general leagues, simply because everyone creates his own leagues. Whats a 10 in someones league, can be a complete zero in another ones league. As example men that are much into externals are not my kind. Simply because such guys often see much importance in that external stuff, that I mostly dont care for, and I simply dont get along with that type of people and if they are additionaly simply dumb I often have been blamed by such guys, for not caring myself for external stuff. So if you run around with a suit, a breitling and an expensive sport car, the more I know we will never fit as partners, because a partner that cares for such nonsense would often want to force me to care as well for that stuff, often have many friends that care for such nonsense and so on. There was a show some years ago "The model and the freak." with a guy that looked pretty normal for me, jeans, funny T-shirt, little beard, little belly, playing warhammer-tabletops and so on. Thats the kind of boy I meet among my friends, so I feel comforted by that type of guy, thats normally the kind of people that treat me friendly, and that I can share jokes about similar topics and so on. Then they went to the hairdresser with him, gave him new cloths, new eyeglasses, ... in the end he looked like a hipster, that I have bad memories about. So they often share themselves, to feel strong and then try to bully others, thats simply my personal experiences with hipsters. So I dislike them. Looking like a hipster turns you automatic into a badass in my league system, while looking like a little tabletop nerd raises you, simply because of me having very positive experiences with that kind of guys and feeling comfortable around such guys.

So there are definitely leagues, but there are definitely no general leagues. Everyone simply carry his own league system with him.