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15 Jan 2019, 3:47 am

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But therapy can help you to focus on working towards other goals in life.

Love isn't everything. Some people will not find partners. That's just life. They need to be able to cope with that and find other meaning in their lives.

They don't need to be able to cope with anything of the sort. Not everybody has the capacity to cope with being left out of the dating game forever whilst simultaneously seeing love, dating and sex all around us. Some of us would rather die than never experience romantic love and never have a partner in our lifetimes. If I somehow looked into a crystal ball and saw that I would never get a girlfriend throughout the entirety of my life, I'd kill myself. Maybe that kind of life can be worth living for other people, but not for me.


And that's exactly what a therapist could help with. Finding out that life without romantic love is not only livable, but enjoyable.

I may have said the same as you at your age, but now I'm older and have lived alone for years I know that one can be happy without a partner.

Friends really do help. And I'm fortunate enough to have a good family support structure too.

If someone comes along, that would be nice, but I don't need someone now and I feel freer for it.



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15 Jan 2019, 3:57 am

The Grand Inquisitor, men outnumber women worldwide by 66M+ https://qz.com/335183/heres-why-men-on- ... 0-million/ so you should accept that a lot won't ever find someone. It's just....mathematically impossible for everyone to be paired, and even if your country is purple (which may not reflect the sex ratio of youth, maybe simply females live longer in these countries) you're still competing against at lot of male foreigners, there's simply too much males in the world, ie. a lot of single Russian men for instance are struggling when competing against Western men.

Man, Oman is a total sausage fest.



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15 Jan 2019, 4:24 am

Btw accepting tgat not all people find a partner isn't giving up, it's just finding other things to enjoy in life.

Whilst living that life and being your best you, then someone may come along. But finding a partner shouldn't be the sole reason for our existence because that will cause depression.

Happiness is finding the best in our current circumstances, not always chasing the greener grass on the other side of the fence.

That doesn't mean you can't have goals or improve yourself, but contentment at each stage of life is better than reaching towards "I'll be happy when I do x, I'll be happy when I get y, I'll be happy when..." That kind of attitude always postpones what contentment you can have now.



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15 Jan 2019, 4:26 am

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Incels clearly are unfairly treated on this forum though. By the very fact that it appears to be that the official forum definition of an Incel is a violent misogynist not someone who is involuntary celibate.


That's kind of like complaining that 'Islamist' often used synonymously with 'Islamist terrorist' or 'supporter or sympathizer of Islamist motivated terrorist'.

It's not really unfair to remind you that the ideology in most people's minds is tainted by connection to terrorists inspired by the ideology spread by people who identify with the term Incel. Just like Islamists and Communists and Nationalists are often defined by the worst elements acting under those labels, same with Incels and as long as misogynistic terrorist acts are perpetrated by those who self-identify as Incels, incels who reject those acts need to make sure they're heard condemning them.


Its not the same though as when Muslims are committing terrorism they are following the laws of their holy book and the actions of their prophet. Incels have no Holy book or Prophet.



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15 Jan 2019, 4:54 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor, men outnumber women worldwide by 66M+ https://qz.com/335183/heres-why-men-on- ... 0-million/ so you should accept that a lot won't ever find someone. It's just....mathematically impossible for everyone to be paired, and even if your country is purple (which may not reflect the sex ratio of youth, maybe simply females live longer in these countries) you're still competing against at lot of male foreigners, there's simply too much males in the world, ie. a lot of single Russian men for instance are struggling when competing against Western men..

In most western countries however women start outnumbering men in the 60 years old or older age bracket. You just need to wait a bit.



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15 Jan 2019, 7:25 am

hurtloam wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
But therapy can help you to focus on working towards other goals in life.

Love isn't everything. Some people will not find partners. That's just life. They need to be able to cope with that and find other meaning in their lives.

They don't need to be able to cope with anything of the sort. Not everybody has the capacity to cope with being left out of the dating game forever whilst simultaneously seeing love, dating and sex all around us. Some of us would rather die than never experience romantic love and never have a partner in our lifetimes. If I somehow looked into a crystal ball and saw that I would never get a girlfriend throughout the entirety of my life, I'd kill myself. Maybe that kind of life can be worth living for other people, but not for me.


And that's exactly what a therapist could help with. Finding out that life without romantic love is not only livable, but enjoyable.

I may have said the same as you at your age, but now I'm older and have lived alone for years I know that one can be happy without a partner.

Friends really do help. And I'm fortunate enough to have a good family support structure too.

If someone comes along, that would be nice, but I don't need someone now and I feel freer for it.

There's life withput romantic love in the here and now, and there's life without the prospect of romantic love ever. I don't always need to be in a relationship to be happy but never being on one guarantees I won't be. It's not as if I haven't tried therapy myself multiple times, hit a wall and both me and the therapist have realised that they can't help me with everything, including the things that are most important to me



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15 Jan 2019, 7:28 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor, men outnumber women worldwide by 66M+ https://qz.com/335183/heres-why-men-on- ... 0-million/ so you should accept that a lot won't ever find someone. It's just....mathematically impossible for everyone to be paired, and even if your country is purple (which may not reflect the sex ratio of youth, maybe simply females live longer in these countries) you're still competing against at lot of male foreigners, there's simply too much males in the world, ie. a lot of single Russian men for instance are struggling when competing against Western men.

Man, Oman is a total sausage fest.

That may well be the case, but that doesn't mean I'm going to accept being one of the men being cast aside. I'm not. In any event, I'll do what I have to do.



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15 Jan 2019, 7:30 am

314pe wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
The Grand Inquisitor, men outnumber women worldwide by 66M+ https://qz.com/335183/heres-why-men-on- ... 0-million/ so you should accept that a lot won't ever find someone. It's just....mathematically impossible for everyone to be paired, and even if your country is purple (which may not reflect the sex ratio of youth, maybe simply females live longer in these countries) you're still competing against at lot of male foreigners, there's simply too much males in the world, ie. a lot of single Russian men for instance are struggling when competing against Western men..

In most western countries however women start outnumbering men in the 60 years old or older age bracket. You just need to wait a bit.

Pfft, I'll be long gone by then if I still haven't had a relationship



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15 Jan 2019, 7:39 am

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It's not really unfair to remind you that the ideology in most people's minds is tainted by connection to terrorists inspired by the ideology spread by people who identify with the term Incel. Just like Islamists and Communists and Nationalists are often defined by the worst elements acting under those labels, same with Incels and as long as misogynistic terrorist acts are perpetrated by those who self-identify as Incels, incels who reject those acts need to make sure they're heard condemning them.
People do condemn Incels (capital I), even other manosphere movements. They all used to be rivals, like skiers and snowboarders in the past. Today, they realized that they're all on the same team, and the rivalry is subsiding. Except for Incels. All other movements hate them, for being a black mark on the manosphere. Red Pillers mock them for not being willing to learn game. MRA's mock them for wasting their efforts hating women instead of campaigning for men's rights. MGTOW's mock them for not saying "screw all this!" and just walking away. So there.

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And that's exactly what a therapist could help with. Finding out that life without romantic love is not only livable, but enjoyable.

I may have said the same as you at your age, but now I'm older and have lived alone for years I know that one can be happy without a partner.

Friends really do help. And I'm fortunate enough to have a good family support structure too.

If someone comes along, that would be nice, but I don't need someone now and I feel freer for it.
What helped me embrace and enjoy living alone wasn't a therapist---they're useless quacks!---but seeing my friends couple up. All of them, without exception, turned into stuffy emotional grandpas, or 65-year-olds in 35-year-old bodies. They stopped going out and having fun entirely! Instead, they sit at home with their wives, where they fight over dishes, talk about feelings, or both. At best, they go out to snooty, boring dinner parties with other couples. So if that's the price I gotta pay to get regular sex with a woman, I'd rather masturbate and be done with it. Today, I not only feel apathetic about sex, but sex actually disgusts me.

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Its not the same though as when Muslims are committing terrorism they are following the laws of their holy book and the actions of their prophet. Incels have no Holy book or Prophet.
Incel's "holy prophet" did emerge: it's that disgusting Elliot Rodger guy. They call him "supreme gentleman" :x. Rodger himself wasn't an Incel (capital I), though. He was a member of a now-defunct "PUA Hate" forum, because he believed PUA's and Red Pillers competed against him for women. The Incel movement embraced him later. That's what we gotta condemn on this site.



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15 Jan 2019, 7:57 am

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
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hurtloam wrote:
But therapy can help you to focus on working towards other goals in life.

Love isn't everything. Some people will not find partners. That's just life. They need to be able to cope with that and find other meaning in their lives.

They don't need to be able to cope with anything of the sort. Not everybody has the capacity to cope with being left out of the dating game forever whilst simultaneously seeing love, dating and sex all around us. Some of us would rather die than never experience romantic love and never have a partner in our lifetimes. If I somehow looked into a crystal ball and saw that I would never get a girlfriend throughout the entirety of my life, I'd kill myself. Maybe that kind of life can be worth living for other people, but not for me.


And that's exactly what a therapist could help with. Finding out that life without romantic love is not only livable, but enjoyable.

I may have said the same as you at your age, but now I'm older and have lived alone for years I know that one can be happy without a partner.

Friends really do help. And I'm fortunate enough to have a good family support structure too.

If someone comes along, that would be nice, but I don't need someone now and I feel freer for it.

There's life withput romantic love in the here and now, and there's life without the prospect of romantic love ever. I don't always need to be in a relationship to be happy but never being on one guarantees I won't be. It's not as if I haven't tried therapy myself multiple times, hit a wall and both me and the therapist have realised that they can't help me with everything, including the things that are most important to me


Maybe not the right therapist then.

I'm about 90% sure I'm not going to have a partner. These things just never work out for me. I can see a happy future as a single person.

The anomaly would be actually coupling up with someone. That would be serendipity rather than the long term plan.



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15 Jan 2019, 8:18 am

Statistics don’t mean squat....

The 30s and 40s, probably, are a better time to find mates than being in one’s 20s. Women and men get sick of the garbage, and seek substance.



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15 Jan 2019, 11:40 am

Kraftie, if all statistics ars “squats” then why we do elections? No need for democracy then.



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15 Jan 2019, 12:19 pm

I meant, specifically, for dating purposes.

They don’t mean squat in that context.

If I went by statistics, Id be a virgin to this day.

There’s no way, according to statistics, that I have a chance in hell of finding love.



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15 Jan 2019, 2:48 pm

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Incels clearly are unfairly treated on this forum though. By the very fact that it appears to be that the official forum definition of an Incel is a violent misogynist not someone who is involuntary celibate.


That's kind of like complaining that 'Islamist' often used synonymously with 'Islamist terrorist' or 'supporter or sympathizer of Islamist motivated terrorist'.

It's not really unfair to remind you that the ideology in most people's minds is tainted by connection to terrorists inspired by the ideology spread by people who identify with the term Incel. Just like Islamists and Communists and Nationalists are often defined by the worst elements acting under those labels, same with Incels and as long as misogynistic terrorist acts are perpetrated by those who self-identify as Incels, incels who reject those acts need to make sure they're heard condemning them.


Its not the same though as when Muslims are committing terrorism they are following the laws of their holy book and the actions of their prophet. Incels have no Holy book or Prophet.


You mean /foreveralone and Elliot Rodger don't exist? :lol:


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Let's celebrate the superiority of our ideas by calling everyone who disagrees a cuck.


Isn't 'cuck' an Incel terminology? You may get arrested for using it! :mrgreen:


Clearly you missed that I'm mocking the mgtow/redpill/pua/incel/miscellaneous deplorable types who use that term to describe men who disagree with them.

Go write 'i understand satire is used to criticize ideas, not to advocate for them' 100 times on the blackboard so you'll remember for next time. :lol:


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Let's celebrate the superiority of our ideas by calling everyone who disagrees a cuck.


Isn't 'cuck' an Incel terminology? You may get arrested for using it! :mrgreen:


Clearly you missed that I'm mocking the mgtow/redpill/pua/incel/miscellaneous deplorable types who use that term to describe men who disagree with them.

Go write 'i understand satire is used to criticize ideas, not to advocate for them' 100 times on the blackboard so you'll remember for next time. :lol:



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