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04 Jul 2021, 1:33 pm

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Because neither youth nor fitness are the most important considerations in a partner. Not everyone is obsessed with the same factors you seem to be.


Seriously?! Have been living under a rock your entire life? Have you ever watched TV or read a magazine?


Have you lived in the real world and taken your head out of the media? Plenty of average people are in relationships.

British TV is a bit better at having a wider representation of different types of actors. They don't need to be stunning to get casted. Benedict Cumberbatch or Olivia Coleman spring to mind. Neither are attractive. Both are married and have recognition for their skills. Looks aren't a concern.



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04 Jul 2021, 1:41 pm

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If you're a "godd@mned freak" then I am too, and I resent being called that.

I'm socially and physically awkward, can't initiate a conversation, a single parent, financially struggling, immature in many ways, and a lot older than you--all of which should be huge negatives. But I still get interest from women in their 20s, 30s, 40s and 50s. (My lack of "maturity" might even appeal to the younger ones.) My current partner is much younger than I am. The only difference I can see between us is that I don't wallow in complaints and self-pity--which isn't attractive to women of any age.


But all the best freaks are here.



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04 Jul 2021, 1:48 pm

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^^^ this is not true, dorkseid. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with you, you are just depressed. It means your positive outlook, your strong character traits, your grit and motivation are depressed. There are millions other people in your position, who feel despair and don't know what to do, who are misunderstood just like you are. I was one of them just couple years ago.

I know chances your depression would let you accept this advise are very slim, but I'll do my best and let you decide:

First simple step you take right now to achieve all your goals is start exercising regularly. Depression is a very wide spectrum, even if you don't believe you are really clinically depressed, exercise will definitely improve your mental power and will make you more attractive. Worth trying.


I would add going outside and enjoying nature. Experiencing all the amazing things around us for free. I am lucky to live in a green city. I can walk to 3 different parks anytime I want. I drove to the beach and had a paddle in the sea last week. Getting your bare feet on earth, sand, grass is good for the soul.

Have you seen Amelie? There's pleasure in so many things like the feeling of lentils running through your fingers.

There is so much to being alive that is good and can be enjoyed simply without any of societies concerns.



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04 Jul 2021, 2:14 pm

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^^^ this is not true, dorkseid. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with you, you are just depressed. It means your positive outlook, your strong character traits, your grit and motivation are depressed. There are millions other people in your position, who feel despair and don't know what to do, who are misunderstood just like you are. I was one of them just couple years ago.

I know chances your depression would let you accept this advise are very slim, but I'll do my best and let you decide:

First simple step you take right now to achieve all your goals is start exercising regularly. Depression is a very wide spectrum, even if you don't believe you are really clinically depressed, exercise will definitely improve your mental power and will make you more attractive. Worth trying.


I would add going outside and enjoying nature. Experiencing all the amazing things around us for free. I am lucky to live in a green city. I can walk to 3 different parks anytime I want. I drove to the beach and had a paddle in the sea last week. Getting your bare feet on earth, sand, grass is good for the soul.

Have you seen Amelie? There's pleasure in so many things like the feeling of lentils running through your fingers.

There is so much to being alive that is good and can be enjoyed simply without any of societies concerns.


Yes, this is very true. This is not even about pleasure, these things are fundamentally beneficial and trigger processes and gene expressions that not just give us pleasure, but make us happy on deeper level, increase our capacity to experience positive emotions.

Many people on the spectrum avoid activities associated with these factors due to social implications or sensory overload and this is one of major factors contributing to onset of depression. This stuff makes us happier even when we don't enjoy it at all.



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04 Jul 2021, 2:33 pm

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^^^ this is not true, dorkseid. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with you, you are just depressed. It means your positive outlook, your strong character traits, your grit and motivation are depressed. There are millions other people in your position, who feel despair and don't know what to do, who are misunderstood just like you are. I was one of them just couple years ago.

I know chances your depression would let you accept this advise are very slim, but I'll do my best and let you decide:

First simple step you take right now to achieve all your goals is start exercising regularly. Depression is a very wide spectrum, even if you don't believe you are really clinically depressed, exercise will definitely improve your mental power and will make you more attractive. Worth trying.


I would add going outside and enjoying nature. Experiencing all the amazing things around us for free. I am lucky to live in a green city. I can walk to 3 different parks anytime I want. I drove to the beach and had a paddle in the sea last week. Getting your bare feet on earth, sand, grass is good for the soul.

Have you seen Amelie? There's pleasure in so many things like the feeling of lentils running through your fingers.

There is so much to being alive that is good and can be enjoyed simply without any of societies concerns.


Yes, this is very true. This is not even about pleasure, these things are fundamentally beneficial and trigger processes and gene expressions that not just give us pleasure, but make us happy on deeper level, increase our capacity to experience positive emotions.

Many people on the spectrum avoid activities associated with these factors due to social implications or sensory overload and this is one of major factors contributing to onset of depression. This stuff makes us happier even when we don't enjoy it at all.


Either neither of you have been outside recently, or you have and the scorching heat has completely fried your brains.



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04 Jul 2021, 2:57 pm

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Either neither of you have been outside recently, or you have and the scorching heat has completely fried your brains.

Not all people here live in regions affected by heat wave and current heat wave doesn't mean these factors are not important in normal conditions.

Don't let your depression make you look like a dumb a**hole.



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04 Jul 2021, 3:05 pm

dorkseid wrote:
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^^^ this is not true, dorkseid. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with you, you are just depressed. It means your positive outlook, your strong character traits, your grit and motivation are depressed. There are millions other people in your position, who feel despair and don't know what to do, who are misunderstood just like you are. I was one of them just couple years ago.

I know chances your depression would let you accept this advise are very slim, but I'll do my best and let you decide:

First simple step you take right now to achieve all your goals is start exercising regularly. Depression is a very wide spectrum, even if you don't believe you are really clinically depressed, exercise will definitely improve your mental power and will make you more attractive. Worth trying.


I would add going outside and enjoying nature. Experiencing all the amazing things around us for free. I am lucky to live in a green city. I can walk to 3 different parks anytime I want. I drove to the beach and had a paddle in the sea last week. Getting your bare feet on earth, sand, grass is good for the soul.

Have you seen Amelie? There's pleasure in so many things like the feeling of lentils running through your fingers.

There is so much to being alive that is good and can be enjoyed simply without any of societies concerns.


Yes, this is very true. This is not even about pleasure, these things are fundamentally beneficial and trigger processes and gene expressions that not just give us pleasure, but make us happy on deeper level, increase our capacity to experience positive emotions.

Many people on the spectrum avoid activities associated with these factors due to social implications or sensory overload and this is one of major factors contributing to onset of depression. This stuff makes us happier even when we don't enjoy it at all.


Either neither of you have been outside recently, or you have and the scorching heat has completely fried your brains.


Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. The heatwave (I assume that's what you mean, I'm in the UK. It's raining) this heatwave will end and you can comfortably go outside again. When you can, go, and enjoy it.



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04 Jul 2021, 3:08 pm

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That is not true at all. I have no control over that fact that I am poor. Poor people can't just magically choose to become wealthy by following some get rich quick scheme like whatever this fire nonsense is. If it was that simply nobody would be poor.

Yes, you have control. FIRE isn't get rich quick scheme, it's mostly about simple financial literacy and discipline. Ways how you can optimize your finances, how to pay you debts to reduce interest rates, how to track and reduce your expenses and maximize all possible benefits, how you can persistently save money even having a very modest income. A lot of people are poor because they don't have this knowledge and don't even try to assume control. Google FIRE and read couple articles.


In order to maximize your finances, you have to already have money. I cannot pay my debt because I have NO money. I cannot save anything because I have NO money.

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I also have no control over the fact that I have major depression and maladaptive disorders that prevent me from being able to commit consistently to a health diet or exercise routine. If losing weight was as simple as just making better choices, nobody would be obese.

Yes, you have control over your major depression, I just gave you one tip. Losing weight is simple if you know how to do it the right way. I can help you.


As I've already explained, my depression makes it impossible for me to lose weight.

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I have no control over the stigma associated with being a male exhibiting symptoms of ASD. I have no control over what women find attractive or unattractive, or over the genetic factors that determine such things.

Yes, you don't have control over the stigma, neither does anyone on the spectrum. You have control over how you choose to react to this stigma, whether you let it to discourage you from doing something. You have control at least over your physical shape, women find fit people more attractive. Genetic factors are not some fixed things, gene expression depends on external triggers, you have control over a lot of these things.


None of that will make any difference, because the stigma associated with having autism supersedes anything I can do about it. I know this from many years of personal experience.

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I appreciate that people are just trying to help. But I've already heard and tried all this advice a hundred times already, and for one reason or another none of it ever works.

Did you try to get as fit as you realistically can? I don't think so.


I have no way of knowing what constitutes as fit as someone can be to your satisfaction. However, I somehow doubt that you would consider what actually is realistic satisfactory if I were to achieve it.

I was fit when I was in my early 20s. For example, I played volleyball and some other sports games with friends in college. One time we played a game that was similar to soccer but it also incorporated elements from baseball and bowling. It did involve a lot of rigorous running. We played for hours. After a while people started getting tired and dropping out of the game, until I was one of the only two people still playing and I kept on going. Is that fit enough for you?

For most of the past 20 years of my life I did not own a vehicle, so I had to do a lot of walking. I walked to work and back every day. I walked whenever I needed to go shopping. On average, I walked several miles a day. I walked because I had no other options. Is that fit enough for you?

And despite being fit when I was younger, still no woman ever wanted to be with me.

And I did know plenty of men significantly less fit than me who still attracted partners. One that comes to mind is a guy named Eric. This guy was huge. Had to be over 400 lbs. Much fatter than I've ever been at any point in my life even when he was in college in his 20s. And he had an attractive girlfriends that he later married. And that's just one example. So basically I still couldn't get a girlfriend even when I was fit, while other men could still get girlfriends despite being morbidly obese. So fitness clearly has no bearing on this matter.

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Am I the only person on this forum who understand how cause and effect works??? What do I need to do to get you people to understand that an effect cannot be its own cause?! Yes, I am a bitter jaded sour cuss. But I only became that way after many years of constant rejection as a result of that rejection. The rejection came first! The coffee mug did fall off the table because it was broken. The dog did not run out into the rain because it was wet. This makes no freaking sense!! ! I am bitter because I've been rejected by women my entire life, not the other way around!


You get cause and effect wrong. Right now depression makes you unattractive and makes you feel hopeless. You believe the reason is rejection, but this is just rationalization, this is effect of your ongoing depression, not it's cause.

Like I already said, I'm fully aware that your depressed brain would try to reject and dismiss this tip, but there is still hope you can make a RATIONAL decision to try it despite having overwhelming IRRATIONAL feelings against doing so and urge to rationalize these feelings by coming up with another excuse.


I was not depressed in my early 20s, but women still didn't want to date me then either.

I've known men who were morbidly obese who had girlfriends. I've known men who struggled financially who had girlfriends. I've known men who struggled with depression, bipolar disorder, and/or schizophrenia who still had girlfriends. So clearly none of these issues have anything to do with why I can never get a girlfriend. There is only one population in which the chronic inability to attract a partner is consistently present, and that is adults with ASD.



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04 Jul 2021, 3:36 pm

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In order to maximize your finances, you have to already have money. I cannot pay my debt because I have NO money. I cannot save anything because I have NO money.

Do you have income? Do you have expenses? This is what you can optimize to have SOME money left every week/month to pay out your debts and/or save.

If you have debt you can even start with optimizing your debt, find ways to restructure it and take some action to reduce interest rates.

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As I've already explained, my depression makes it impossible for me to lose weight.

Then you should start with addressing your depression first.

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None of that will make any difference, because the stigma associated with having autism supersedes anything I can do about it. I know this from many years of personal experience.

No it doesn't I know this from many years of personal experience and from observations of people who made it despite this stigma, some even use being on the spectrum as part of their identity and as leverage to achieve their goals.

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I have no way of knowing what constitutes as fit as someone can be to your satisfaction. However, I somehow doubt that you would consider what actually is realistic satisfactory if I were to achieve it.

I was fit when I was in my early 20s. For example, I played volleyball and some other sports games with friends in college. One time we played a game that was similar to soccer but it also incorporated elements from baseball and bowling. It did involve a lot of rigorous running. We played for hours. After a while people started getting tired and dropping out of the game, until I was one of the only two people still playing and I kept on going. Is that fit enough for you?

For most of the past 20 years of my life I did not own a vehicle, so I had to do a lot of walking. I walked to work and back every day. I walked whenever I needed to go shopping. On average, I walked several miles a day. I walked because I had no other options. Is that fit enough for you?

And despite being fit when I was younger, still no woman ever wanted to be with me.
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I was not depressed in my early 20s, but women still didn't want to date me then either.

Why are you asking if you are fit enough for me? The question you should ask if you are fit enough for women you want to be attracted to you. But anyways, I think no, in general walking several miles a day is much-much better than nothing, but it doesn't make you very fit in terms of attractiveness.

Like a lot of people on the spectrum you are most likely a late bloomer. Probably by the time you reached maturity to be attractive to women you already got depressed and lost your best shape.

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And I did know plenty of men who significantly less fit than me who still attracted partners. One that comes to mind is a guy named Eric. This guy was huge. Had to be over 400 lbs. Much fatter than I've ever been at any point in my life even when he was in college in his 20s. And he had an attractive girlfriends that he later married. And that's just one example. So basically I still couldn't get a girlfriend even when I was fit, while other men could still get girlfriends despite being morbidly obese. So fitness clearly has no bearing on this matter.

Every person has strengths and weaknesses. If someone makes it despite having some weakness due to having some other strengths doesn't mean this weakness has no bearing on this matter.

It could be one of your strengths, but you rule it out based on this flawed logic.

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I've known men who were morbidly obese who had girlfriends. I've known men who struggled financially who had girlfriends. I've known men who struggled with depression, bipolar disorder, and/or schizophrenia who still had girlfriends. So clearly none of these issues have anything to do with why I can never get a girlfriend. There is only one population in which the chronic inability to attract a partner is consistently present, and that is men with ASD.

No, there are many men with ASD, who have girlfriends.



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04 Jul 2021, 7:51 pm

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What are you doing to attract partners? How much effort do you put into achieving this goal? Unlike age, your shape isn't something beyond your control, why can't you be in better shape now than when you were younger?

I could, but at this point I'm too old for it to matter.

So you're doing nothing to achieve a partner and you're surprised that you're single.


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04 Jul 2021, 8:11 pm

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^^^ this is not true, dorkseid. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with you, you are just depressed.


If there was nothing fundamentally wrong with me, than someone would have wanted to date me at some point in the past 12 years.


The only thing wrong with you is your negative attitude which you have complete control over.


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04 Jul 2021, 8:51 pm

I'm sorry about your pain. I hope that you can find something in life to enjoy :heart:


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04 Jul 2021, 10:55 pm

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Because neither youth nor fitness are the most important considerations in a partner. Not everyone is obsessed with the same factors you seem to be.


Seriously?! Have been living under a rock your entire life? Have you ever watched TV or read a magazine?


Are you seriously implying that someone can get an accurate depiction of life from watching TV or reading a magazine? Media makes money by marketing false and inaccurate images and getting you to aspire to those imagines. Do you not know this yet? Do NOT let media tell you how the world does or should work.

I stand by my statement. Neither youth nor fitness are the most important considerations in a partner, and not everyone is obsessed with them as factors.


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04 Jul 2021, 11:06 pm

Look, dorkseid, I understand you are depressed and frustrated, but it does not mean your future cannot be different. I see you over and over getting in your own way, and while I realize you aren't capable of seeing what I see, I hope that someday you get past this phase and realize what I've meant.

There are women that need more than anything to simply be with a man who understands THEIR pain and frustration, and who they feel shares some elements of that pain and frustration. Are you capable of doing that? Yes? Good, that is all you need to be able to offer something to the right person.

I've never pretended that finding that right person will be easy. It won't be. In many ways its pure luck. And there are no guarantees it will ever happen. Which is why building a life you can be happy in alone is so important. Doing so covers two bases: building a life for if you never meet that person, while also increasing the odds that you will meet that person.

We also know that you will never encounter that person if you don't get out in the world and allow yourself to meet people, or if you shut off those you do meet.

Take some nice walks when the weather allows it. Visit a favorite outdoor spot. Let nature start to help you heal.


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Because neither youth nor fitness are the most important considerations in a partner. Not everyone is obsessed with the same factors you seem to be.


Seriously?! Have been living under a rock your entire life? Have you ever watched TV or read a magazine?


Are you seriously implying that someone can get an accurate depiction of life from watching TV or reading a magazine? Media makes money by marketing false and inaccurate images and getting you to aspire to those imagines. Do you not know this yet? Do NOT let media tell you how the world does or should work.

I stand by my statement. Neither youth nor fitness are the most important considerations in a partner, and not everyone is obsessed with them as factors.


No, I am not saying that television offers a realistic depiction of life. What it offers is the depiction of life people want to see. The media sells that image because it's the image people want.

If what you are saying is true, then explain why Badrobot and others keep insisting that getting fit will fix everything? Keep in mind that he just stated that regularly walking several miles a day is not considered fit enough to attract women.



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05 Jul 2021, 12:29 am

dorkseid wrote:
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Because neither youth nor fitness are the most important considerations in a partner. Not everyone is obsessed with the same factors you seem to be.


Seriously?! Have been living under a rock your entire life? Have you ever watched TV or read a magazine?


Are you seriously implying that someone can get an accurate depiction of life from watching TV or reading a magazine? Media makes money by marketing false and inaccurate images and getting you to aspire to those imagines. Do you not know this yet? Do NOT let media tell you how the world does or should work.

I stand by my statement. Neither youth nor fitness are the most important considerations in a partner, and not everyone is obsessed with them as factors.


No, I am not saying that television offers a realistic depiction of life. What it offers is the depiction of life people want to see. The media sells that image because it's the image people want.

If what you are saying is true, then explain why Badrobot and others keep insisting that getting fit will fix everything? Keep in mind that he just stated that regularly walking several miles a day is not considered fit enough to attract women.


I personally think the media sells the images that it wants people to want. Even when it reflects instinctual preferences, it plays to the worse of them, not the best of them.

Posters are trying to give you something tangible to do that can fix concerns you, yourself, have stated. If your self-confidence is down because of your weight, changing your weight will help your self-confidence, and having more self-confidence is likely to increase your odds. Plus, working out will make you feel better, overall, and that is a good thing. It will help mitigate your depression and make you feel better about yourself. Do it for your health, not because you think society demands it, and not because you think it will attract women.

Walking is a great way to start. It just ... feels GOOD. Helps people sort out their thoughts and find solutions, too. Maybe not the first day, but it will. If it inspires you to take other actions to improve your overall health, all the better.

A few small changes can be a start to enjoying your life more, and perhaps getting more of what you want out of life. Worth a try.

Also, I've never said the superficial items are complete non-factors. They can do a good job of attracting customers to your store, so to speak. But they aren't the most important, not at all. Ultimately a store will make or break on the desirability of what it sells, not the lure of its advertising. The same is true with people: what is inside matters the most. With relationships, it's all about if your piece of the puzzle fits with theirs, even if you're the moldy piece decaying in a dark corner.


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