The effect of looks

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i do not see her personally as unattractive, but when i was a child (when she was popular), most males considered her looks to be unattractive. the cover picture on the song i posted shows her in the best possible pose. she was not considered attractive by most people i knew. she was plain looking according to other males i knew.

i see her as beautiful because the brilliance of her musical mind outshines the other minds of lip glossed starlets who sing songs through an autotune computer written by other faceless people.

there was a song i remember from my childhood that i very much think i understood called "video killed the radio star" by the buggles (one hit wonder).

i think it means that when music videos came along, suddenly the looks of the people singing the songs were apparent, and they became more important than the musicality of the people singing the songs.

i think that janis ian and carly simon and janis joplin etc would never have become famous if they were teenagers starting off in this day and age. it is very important that pop stars are physically attractive these days because they must make videos of themselves performing the song, and if they are not "hot babes" or "studs", people do not listen to their songs with much interest.

billy joel was fantastically successful because he wrote his best stuff before video clips were the norm. he was not physically attractive, and if a teenage billy joel was on american idol these days, i think he would be quickly eliminated because he was not "hot".

there was a contender on australian idol (which i only noticed because it was on in the background) who was brilliant and who sounded almost as talented as billy joel, but he was 35 and the judges told him that while his music was good, he was too old, and he would not sell in the young market. i thought he was better than any other contender.

the quality of music has deteriorated severely over the years because everyone who is a contender has to make sexy video clips of their performance of their song.

justin bieber was originally just a user of youtube who mimed singing to his favorite songs, but so many teenage girls liked the way he looked, and his videos had millions of views and advertisers plied him with their ads, and soon, he was noticed by record producers that simply had to have him on their books. he is not a good singer, but that does not matter any more because of "autotune" that can make him sound very good even if he was just talking the lyrics in a flat voice.

these days, pretty people sing in their plain voices to a computer which corrects their tones to make them sound like good singers, gone are the days where people had to have genuine musical talent to be famously popular. there are very few exceptions (like alanis morrisette etc).

talent scouts now just look for pretty people and it does not matter whether they have a musical bone in their body, they just sing as best as they can into computers that correct the tone and make them sound "good" (to people who are not discriminating as to authenticity of timbre (which is the majority))

I enjoy a variety of creative interests from appreciating and studying architecture to designing tattoo pieces for close friends to reciting literature to girls on dates. I have an appreciation for creativity and expression.



Well there you go, bodybuilding is an art itself as you just made the connection, it's about sculpting the body and chiselling away the rough pieces, bodybuilding can be a form of expression. Look at Arnold Schwarzenegger, he was born in a Famine in Austria, people in Hollywood told him he would never be a big actor because of his accent and name, a few years later he had a leading role for $750'000 in The Terminator and several years later he was earning $14 million for The Terminator 2.

I'm not sitting on the sidelines being a critic, I'm on the front line just trying to be the best I can and help other people realize their potential. If you can set your mind to achieving something, you can achieve it.

I'm not saying people should set high unrealistic expectations or goals when they have limitations and disabilities but remember, small steps lead to big distances, small steps come before big ones and crawling comes before walking and running.

Before his film career, Arnold Schwarzenegger got into property and started out by renting out 5 rooms, after he expanded to rent out 16 rooms and after that expanded to 30 rooms. This was in the early days of his career when he ran a mail order and construction business. You have to start small and multiply it.

Actually, Arnie was a millionaire by the age of 20 He was a natural talent for business. Because bodybuilding is an art, you never see stupid mr. Olympia winners. Those idiots from high shool who pushed drugs, were loudmouths and eventually dropped out, never got past the "just bicep curls and bench press with a big bounce" stage.

you can be both stupid and a Mr. Olympia winner. they are not mutually exclusive as people who are driven and/or ambitious and/or narcissistic are not necessarily intelligent.

He was a tank driver in the Austrian army and worked in a gym in Munich for a couple of hundred dollars a week. Actually not sure where you read that but I have got his biography and Joe Weider was only paying him a couple of hundred dollars a week by Joe Weider.



He first went to work for Joe Weider in Los Angeles when he was 21 and got a couple of hundred dollars a week.

The real age was 22, my bad.

lol, That accent sure makes him sound dumb.

Just to confirm Joe Weider paid him $65 dollars a week but he did get into the property business fairly young with a natural knack for business.

I think what we've learned from this thread is that it's not superficial to want a partner to the same standards you set yourself towards. If you live a healthy lifestyle and spend hours in the gym, you don't drink alcohol, smoke, sunbath or do anything that will cause ageing, you should want a partner that has a similar lifestyle, there's nothing wrong with choosing to go out with someone because they share a similar routine and diet.

I spend a lot of devotion towards training and diet..I want a partner who looks good at 30 or 40 or 50 even, I don't want to like marry them and make a big investment in a house or whatever it is and they let themselves go. Mental attraction is an important factor like creativity, intelligence, shared interests, similar ambitions and goals.

Physical attraction is important, people who say it isn't are fooling themselves in some attempt to prove they are deep.

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It depends. One could say that extremes hurt women in those jobs. It's best to be an average to moderately attractive woman in those jobs. Too ugly is a no-go, and a 5'10 blond in heels can face prejudice for reasons similar to what you say, so the best is right in-between.

no, that isn't what you should have learned from this thread. what you should have learned from this thread was that you are basing attraction on more than just lifestyle standards, but also on aesthetic preferences. that's absolutely fine as it is your own personal choice, but you can't pretend it is anything but superficial. it is less "deep" than any other factors simply by definition. yes, superficial attraction based on looks is only is probably only _one_ of many factors, but don't pretend it isn't one of the factors involved.

i should that some people find others physically attractive only if their personalities are attractive first, so in that sense physical attractivenes is less shallow. and some people find non-traditionally goodlooking people attractive, as they find beauty where others do not. and to some other people, appearance simply isn't that important. it's all over the map.

Brain and brawn aren´t mutually exclusive either. Most stupid people I know who´ve worked out (you´re average IQ 85 loudmouth who dropped out, started smoking at 12 and is happily oblivious to his own stupidity) have no dicipline whatsoever and seem to think that just bench pressing and bicep curling with a crappy technique is a good way to exercise. Of course, they don´t eat enough protein, they eat too much junk food, they continue to get wasted every week--with the result being that they give up in a matter of three months.

Bodybuilding is more than lifting weights. You need knowledge on how to create a workout routine specifically for your body type, a strict diet with knowledge about what´s good for you and above all dicipline. None of the above are found in your typical loudmouthed dropout who works as an asskisser at the warehouse, your typical wannabe gangster cruising in his 17 year old Ford Probe or your typical inbred hick who eats roadkill in his trailer.

Ronnie Coleman has an IQ of almost two standard deviations above the norm and a degree in economics. Nasser el-Sonbaty has a master´s degree in history and speaks seven languages. I´ve bought proteins from the former strongest man in Norway (Arild Haugen) before; off the television screen, he actully seemed both friendly and intelligent. Lastly, Frank Zane holds a master´s degree in chemistry and a bachelor´s degree in psychology.

Yeah but do any of them talk in a dumb sounding Austrian accent like Arnold?

b9, I'd thumbs-up your whole post, if I could.

Mods, can we have a "notworthy" smiley? Pretty-please?