Is the Red Pill Really So Bad?

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No it’s not go back to the 1930s women were expected to not work and men were expected to have good jobs, today women can work and men are still expected to have good jobs.
A women require. A man go make good money is no different then a man requiring a woman to not work and be a house wife, both are horrible expectations. Most women today do not need a man who makes good money plain and simple. Their standards are stuck in the 1930s, now if we want to be that way women can g back to be housewives which will open more jobs for men to have good jobs to live up to most women’s expectations. They can’t have it both ways. Some can sure but most can’t. There’s simply not enough well paid jobs for every man and woman. So a lot of men can’t work well,paid jobs so it’s Illogical for most women to require it.humans are suppose to evolve and adapt but I haven’t seen any signs of thst in this regard.

Cleaners and shop keeps don’t make a good job they don’t live up to most women’s standards that date back tot he 1930s.
Do you or do you not think it’s riht to require that a guy make 25+ and hour and keep getting promotions in order to be datable to most women?
They don’t just want a guy who works or I’d be good enough they want a upper middle class guy just like their mom had and her mom had and her mom had. It’s simple not possible as most women have found out henc they complain there’s no men to date.

I already know the answer but would you feel bad for me if I said I’ll only date a thin petite gorgeous woman and then complain there no women to date?
I don’t feel sorry for men or women that set unrealistic standards then complain about being alone and how there no men, especially when there’s 3,000 more men then women in their age range. They could have 4 bfs if they wanted. No shortage of men here just men who are upper middle class. If they accept dating a store worker or gas attendant they could have a bf.
If they accepte maybe we’d just have one car I stead of 2-4, maybe we’ll juat have a decent tv instead if s expensive one etc. maybe we only eat out once a month etc etc etc. the middle class is small only 1/3 of the us population can be middle class the rest need to just accept being poor and find love and happiness within that restraints or being sad and single rest of their life but they thnones to blame not any lack of men

As for an would do all that? The same people who did it before women worked. I’m not sayin nt we go back to that, I’m all for women working, but they need to adapt to thst men’s less men can work which means less men can have good paying jobs.

It’s like that city who made beer then laid off the employee and wondered why they stopped buying beer. Gee I wonder why. Women wanted to work and they got it thst means they don’t need a male provider anymore so they don’t need s man who makes as much or more then them anymore and that is equality. Equality works both ways it’s not onsided.
I understand yiu don’t see it thst way why defend those who do?
I think those women get what’s coming to them. They are the reason they are unhappy single not men. It’s nit cause men are just lazy and failing to live up their standards as I’ve seen women say

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Did I say well paid? Nope. A man who is willing to work is more appealing than a man who makes excuses not to. Look at fnord. Did you read his job history, can't remember which thread, he's done all sorts. Adapted and kept going. I have a lot of respect for that work ethic.

A woman who wants to work is industrious and motivated. Not lazy. Not filled with excuses. Its not the same thing at all. It's a false equivalency.

Just because 2 things happened in the 30s doesn't make them comparable. That's debating 101.

And there are available jobs. There's job boards filled with them. You don't live in the rust belt. Stop parroting what other people say and using it as an excuse to stay stagnant.

Most jobs in the USA are min wage part time jobs. We lost a lot of jobs leading up to the 90s then we lost mor in 2008 what we got back was fast food jobs and retail.
A lot of Americans worke in manufacturing and sales for said things. Most jobs here in my area all all related to selling product, be it the item, call centers, or service of the product. Take those jobs away what do you have? Bunch of empty buildings. My uncle gets t paid f Guard a building that use to employ 4,000+ people it now employs 10 to guard it. Many such places exist. Sony use to make products here now their buildings sit empty. Thousand lost good paid lowmlabor jobs that didn’t require college education.
States in the mid part of the country were hit worse. Whole towns turned
I to ghost towns.
Use to be yiu could make a good living with just a high school education. You’d. Just a house, have a family send yiur kids to college and retire from thst job, nit anymore.
Most men can’t beco evil educated workers, not that there’s enough jobs for them. Women go to and graduate college more, still most people who go t college never use their degrees or find work in this fields. They just get tens of thousands of debt.

It’s not abiut just getting s job any jobs it’s about getting a job that pays 25+ an our a middle class job that brings in 4-5,000 a month. Those jobs are many there’s not enough of them for everyone. Yiu can’t have a store of general managers.
There has to be low paid people for those people to make 5,000 a month if low paid people didn’t exist the middle class wouldn’t be needed, who would they manage? Who would they sell to? They’d have to do that work and why would the rich pay them 5,000 to do it?

Hey can’t women adapt? Why’s it alway men who have to adapt? Is it even adapting if they trying to meet the same requirements of 100 years ago.

I already do a job people need but it’s paid crap as while people need service jobs they don’t want to pay for it. World would come to a complete stop without service jobs.
But that’s how pyramid skemes work. The base is required you can’t have a pyramid with the base but it’s all designed to funnal the money up. It down. If they could make slavery legal again most companies would.

As for me personally hurtloam. I’m not smart. Most men aren’t we worke labor jobs where smarts weren’t needed. Now those jobs are gone. Most men aren’t needed in today’s world, what do we do with them? What do I do? I’m not smart enough for an educated job, I couldn’t do labor but it’s gone anyways I could have done factory work but it’s gone too. She I work retail the only job left for dumb people.
Though the smart people come in the store and gosh do they lack common sense.
Excuse me where this item. Me: looked right in front of us. “I’m it’s right here”
And man do they have no idea about guns and how they work. But hey they make 5,000 a month they went to college they better then me. But th u can’t work a simple mechanical mechanism, or understand a 9mm handgun takes 9mm ammo.
Or to look right in front of them. The questions we get working in retail is shocking.
Then there’s the shocking ones like w guy wanted to know which BB gun to use to shoot his neighbors kids cause they’re annoying.
Oh and they get angry at use a lot over stuff like that we don’t have or item, or no sir that’s not how that works, what do you mean it doesn’t work,like that of course it does, No I’m sorry it doesn’t sirs, you’d need this., well I want this one, make it do that.

You didn’t but aren’t we talking about what other women want ?
They want a guy with a good job nit just a job. They tell me my job isn’t a real job.i, considered the same as unemployed.

I never said they were I said most men use to want women to not work thu want e housewife’s. Just as most women then and today want a guy who has a well paid job and car. Notice how one changed and the other hasn’t? The requirement for men is exactly thwhat same as in th 1930s, ask yourself why hasn’t most women’s requirements changed in over 90 years?
Most men adapted, they no longer require women to be housewife’s they accept d the world changed and adapted their requirements for women to date them. Some still require that as some women don’t care about a man’s income.
Most do care though why? Why haven’t most women’s requirements changed why haven’t they bfome more accepting of poor men who work honest jobs but don’t get paid much?

There not enough available middle class jobs there just isn’t. Most jobs are min wage or slightly above min wage jobs. To require most men to work middle class jobs is illogical as it’s illo to require most women to be housewives. That’s simple not the reality of 2018. It’s not possible for 95% of men to make a good income.
It’s time for society to say it’s ok for a guy to work mine wage and you should date him. But that isn’t want the rich want, that won’t make them money.

No I live in Oregon where most our jobs were manufacturing and lumber based, and both are gone or going. The manufacturing is gone, the democrats are banning cutting trees down so the lumber industry that created our state and drives ou economy is dying. My city is a lumber city, our mascot is a miller for working in the saw mills.
My city is poor. Most of us work retail jobs in Eugene. Walmart and the dollar tree our or most popular stores. Why most women expect most men here to be middle class is beyond me.
Most of them are poor, most their parents were poor. Most work retail work themselves. Why do they require a middle class man? Cause they going to colleege? Half of the, won’t get jobs in their fields especially th art majors, protest majors and other liberal majors.

I dont know what to do . I won’t to college I picked s good field thst laid good but I couldn’t do the work. I’d do everything exactly as society said to and they sad it’s get me a good job, a family and a good life. Well society lies to most people it’s ll to make collages money. They got their money they don’t care about us.
There not much work for a dumb guy who can only work part time. And most women here and pretty much all single women here won’t date a guy working min wage.
What would you tell a physical disabled man or a man with severe mental condition? Cause that’s the same advice yiu should give me I’m permanently disabled I can’t work a good job. This is all my life will be working min wage service jobs. Maybe I could work slightly above min wage at packaging but that’s still not good enough for most women here. I wouldn’t be able to own a car or buy a house I’d be as broke as I am now if not more so.

A lot of people just won’t live up to societies standards and will never be accepted and they’ll never be happy about that and I wouldn’t expect them to

Do you work because you want to achieve something or just because you want to survive?

Last I remember, you quitted web development and went for an administrative job instead because it’s less stressful.

Frankly if a man does this kind of career downgrading, I bet with all my money that a lot of women are going to think very... very harshly of him.

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Reality is I’m never going be accepted for who I am
I can’t change that but I won’t be happy about it either and go die ina. Corner so as not to bother anyone with my existence. I could simple support 1930s ideas about women in counter action. It I think it’s better to speak out as that’s the only way anything will change, as mlk said I dream of a day. And to me it’s a day when most women accept poor men for Whole they are and drop 1930s outdated mindset.
It won’t happen for my general but already slightly more younger women are refusing that mindset. Slightly more the next will and so on and so one and maybe one day most will reject it and not require men to habe good jobs.
For me I’ll wait for my mom to pass and I’ll check out. I don’t like hike but I’ll say one thing about Aunt labby he has more perseverance then me, he’s aboe to put up with a lot more. I have no interest in living past 40 alone and sad.
I am afraid of death but I’d rsther die now. It’s all over for me. I have no future. No happiness awaits me. Only more sadness. I just want it to be quick.

a lot of women at my work have bfs and husbands who are fine with them making min wage while they work their butts off making more money, or too many women are fine with making more then their bf or husband. Most the guys at work are retired or manager. Or it’s a part to,e side job for discounts. Guy at gun counter has a full time job that pays 5,000 a month with full benifits.
Another Guy makes 10,000 plus from his other job but it’s seasonal so only few months a year. He makes more then my yearly income in one month.
Another works as a guide for his family’s guide jobs. Most the younger men are in college and leave when they finish school. So is mostly older men, and younger women(all who look down on me)
The men all think I am a loser,

There’s one nice older lady who’s nice to me.

Last edited by sly279 on 15 Dec 2018, 4:24 am, edited 1 time in total.

You're forgetting I had a look at the job boards in Oregon and there are loads of jobs to apply for. You wouldnt work in lumber anyway so why quote the decreasing jobs available in trades you won't do?

Women did adapt. They got jobs.

Bus drivers and shop workers and cleaners have wives.

Ok, you've actually hit the nail in the head. The elephant in the room. The problem for some guys here is that they are not intelligent. They look weird. They don't even know how to dress normally or get a good haircut, how can they manage to deal with a household budget? Is the impression they give.

An intelligent woman wants someone on her wavelength. Someone she can talk to who can respond on her level. Its not satisfying to be carrying the burden for someone emotionally and intellectually. Even a woman of average intelligence wants a man of average intelligence, not below average.

I've said this before and I'll say it again. I don't want to be someone's carer. I can get by on my own. I don't want to carry someone when I've got a good life on my own. So do most other women. We don't need someone to provide for us, so we are better off choosing a partner who is our intellectual equal.

I'd consider a guy who can't work full time due to a physical disability, but not a mental one. I need intellectual stimulation. I already have a mother with mental health issues to deal with. I don't need a husband who can't look after himself.

Even the shallow women want an intelligent man, I mean of average intelligence. Below average partner intelligence wise means you have to run round after them like a Mom. Work is an indicator of intelligence. Its not always about the money.

Yes you are correct. But I earn more doing admin than I did doing web dev. I've also been looking at web jobs again because I'm bored.

Yeah, but he'd still have a job. I'm talking about men who won't work. Who won't even try and do a menial job. Or don't even look for a job.

I am aware men get judged more harshly careerwise in the dating game than women. That's not what I'm arguing.

Sly wont even try to find another job. He just wants to moan. He needs another job for his own sanity more than anything.

There are men here and women too (possibly me) who won't find a partner. They need to find fulfilment in other ways.

Sly, what is your real experience with women? There are constantly threads here with men summing up women in derogatory terms, but they never seem to have much genuine experience with a variety of women.

And if everyone looks down on you and you're such a loser, what is your purpose in life? I don't understand people who keep living but seem to hate life and themselves. I don't think you really believe you're a loser. You're afraid to admit to yourself that everything you think about people is a lie.

I might actually read all of your posts if you use punctuation and paragraphs btw.

No the reality is that you are a human who has value. There are so many things in life for you to enjoy.

I just want you to get through this funk and find happiness in the good things in life. Not all doors will open for us. I'm never going to be a mountain climber, much as I live the outdoors. I have too many health issues. I would really enjoy it too. There are great mountains to climb in the UK. Great views. I'll never see them.

But I can find other things to make me happy and you can too.

You really really can

I dont know just interacting with thousands of women on dating sites and social media over 12ish years. Interacting with women at the various places I worked including women at college. But guess I’m just making them all up but if that’s tru you must also just be a figmof my imagination as awell as all of wp.

There’s no other choice but to keep living. Suicide is a sin and god hasn’t chosen to kill me yet.
I know I’m a loser it’s not worth denying. That’s insanity. If 99% of people say you’re a loser we’ll your a loser.
Please don’t talk to me again. I’m dead tired of people accusing me of lying just cause they won’t acsept the reality that women are humans and all humans are flawed, so yes women can be shallow too. It’s nit just men that are shallow and mean

Do you care I spend hours writing each reply?
I could have done other stuff I didn’t get done cause I was replying to you. I do my best. Next to,e I,m respond without making corrections and string to do my best.

There you go I didn’t correct he above mistakes. Enjoy.
Maybe you’re appreciated just how much effort others have to put in to just half ass meet your level of requirements for writing.

We derive happiness differently I need social interaction to be happy without o matter what I do I’ll never be happy.
I have not a single friend I’ll never have friends and I’ll never have a relationship I’ll never be loved. My lif is empty I’d rsther be dead.
I have Bobby’s just like you and they don’t mean anything with what I need to be happy.
Imagine if I told you to give up all your hobbies and be with a bf, you’d said no I need those to be happy

I, really tore of being told how I’m suppose to be happy. I wasn’t born like you we don’t find happiness the same way, also you have lots of friends. I have zero human contact outside of work where everyone hates me

Sigh. I wish dating sites hadn't been invented. Its just so much shallowness.

People choose from lists and photos and don't actually get to know the real people behind that.

We can't evaluate ourselves based on dating sites. Its not good for the self esteem.

We are all more than lists of traits and demands on a dating site profile of an attractive looking match.