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16 Oct 2007, 2:22 pm

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I have a lot of chocolate in my fridge , so I don't need your credits :P


Lucky for you, because it doesn't look like you're going to qualify.



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16 Oct 2007, 2:23 pm

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Your post in general make you sound like a male basher.


Implying that every negative action of a man is not the fault of a woman is "male bashing"?

Gosh. You sure are sensitive.



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16 Oct 2007, 3:48 pm

See, this is exactly what I am talking about : 8) .



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16 Oct 2007, 4:42 pm

juliekitty wrote:
Brian003 wrote:
Your post in general make you sound like a male basher.


Implying that every negative action of a man is not the fault of a woman is "male bashing"?

Gosh. You sure are sensitive.

well, to be fair, it seems that saying opinions and things and even rants about women for whatever reason are more delicate and it has to be done more carefully than if it is about men, that is, it is more likely that a few women would feel offended with certain comments more easily than if it is the other way around, about men, even if that is not the intention at all. Is that sensitive? Note, that happens sometimes, not always, not generalizing here. But based on a few observations, it seems that happens sometimes.

What I mean is that we tend to judge based on first impressions, we shouldn't do that. When our emotions are in the way it is hard to see things more clearly, believe me I know.


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16 Oct 2007, 7:22 pm

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well, to be fair, it seems that saying opinions and things and even rants about women for whatever reason are more delicate and it has to be done more carefully than if it is about men, that is, it is more likely that a few women would feel offended with certain comments more easily than if it is the other way around, about men


I'll freely admit I'm far more likely to post against misogyny than I am to post against misandry.

First of all, I'm female.

Second, there's more misogyny on this forum than there is misandry.

Third, there are more men on this forum than women. So if there needs to be an anti-misandry champion here, there are more than enough contenders to pick from. I'm kept busy enough dealing with the misogyny; it's like a part-time job as it is.

The above doesn't constitute male bashing. It constitutes sticking up for women when they are attacked as a group, but not for men when the guys get dissed. That may be unfair, but it's not the equivalent of an attack on men.

And finally, I don't think it's even sticking up for women when I say it's ludicrous to blame every single negative thing men do on women. That's simply pointing out an absurdity. I wouldn't agree that every bad thing a woman does is the fault of some man, either.



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17 Oct 2007, 6:52 am

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I'll freely admit I'm far more likely to post against misogyny than I am to post against misandry.

First of all, I'm female.

Second, there's more misogyny on this forum than there is misandry.

Third, there are more men on this forum than women. So if there needs to be an anti-misandry champion here, there are more than enough contenders to pick from. I'm kept busy enough dealing with the misogyny; it's like a part-time job as it is.

The above doesn't constitute male bashing. It constitutes sticking up for women when they are attacked as a group, but not for men when the guys get dissed. That may be unfair, but it's not the equivalent of an attack on men.

And finally, I don't think it's even sticking up for women when I say it's ludicrous to blame every single negative thing men do on women. That's simply pointing out an absurdity. I wouldn't agree that every bad thing a woman does is the fault of some man, either.


Aspie men seem to be a very popular target for women when they decide to go male-bashing. For the last 10+ years Ive noticed the popularity of male-bashing , ESPECIALLY among young women in American culture. So its only fair that male-bashing produces a misogynist backlash. s**t, young women these days act like being female makes them exempt from personal responsibility for their actions. I believe they do this because they can get away with it. The originator of this thread illustrates what Im talking about, same with the "Men are pigs" thread. It reminds me of all those racist white feminists who bash O J Simpson.
I have very little tolerance for racism but a lot more for misogyny as long as it doesnt get too out of control.



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18 Oct 2007, 10:59 pm

Ziyaret wrote:
its only fair that male-bashing produces a misogynist backlash.


Seems counterproductive to me.

Seems more practical to just ignore the male-bashing women and focus on the ones who don't do it.

Ziyaret wrote:
The originator of this thread illustrates what Im talking about


I don't see the original post on here as male-bashing.

Ziyaret wrote:
same with the "Men are pigs" thread.


Yes, that was male-bashing.

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It reminds me of all those racist white feminists who bash O J Simpson.


That's a very American-specific example. I don't really get it.

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I have very little tolerance for racism but a lot more for misogyny as long as it doesnt get too out of control.


I suppose it's comforting to know you have limits.



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21 Oct 2007, 6:06 am

hmm... never understood Aridarr's point in this thread really... because on many occasions you can't deny - it's the fault of the girl. An aspie dude lives a tricky life... sometimes the girl he gets is a complete and utter b**** (take my ex, for example).


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21 Oct 2007, 6:18 am

Whoa. You mean we have no option
to what women we get? Damn. I guess
I just can't help saying no to the icky ones.



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21 Oct 2007, 7:52 am

calandale wrote:
Whoa. You mean we have no option
to what women we get? Damn. I guess
I just can't help saying no to the icky ones.


I guess so mate... :|
From my little experience anyhow... lol

Of course I'm no expert on this subject matter by any stretch of the imagination... girls I get interested though seem to be the type who certainly love to tease...

What do I expect - going for wicca's and witches and the like. :P
I bring this on myself :lol: for good or for bad... I usually experience both lol.

I can handle it though - like most of us I experience more pain than the average NT, but I have a strong mind I believe...


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21 Oct 2007, 8:59 am

Wiccan's tend to be too social
for my taste. Only been with a
couple of practitioners of the
arts, but they were of like mind
with me, for the most part.



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30 Oct 2007, 8:48 pm

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I realize you want that chocolate, but categorizing a suggestion that women may not be responsible for every negative action of men as "hostile" will not win you one solitary cocoa bean.



Nice metaphor, buuuuuuuuuuuuuut-it turns out that a man's desirability to women in fact has next to nothing to do with his attitude towards them in general. There are misogynist jocks out there who see women as nothing more than sex toys yet women still wanna ride on their joysticks. I remember some 9 years ago when I met my 1st gf(9 years ago this November) the whole 6 months before I met her I was denegrating women by calling them b*****s and ho's and that sex was all they're good for and low and behold I got laid after all :D . I know this isnt very flattering and Im certain to be labled a misogynist for saying it but unfortunately its true.



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30 Oct 2007, 8:57 pm

juliekitty wrote:
I'll freely admit I'm far more likely to post against misogyny than I am to post against misandry.
Forget the rest. Yer far less likely because mysandry is far less common than misogyny. Hell, Firefox's spell checker thinks misandry is misspelled, but not misogyny. :lol:



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31 Oct 2007, 8:04 am

There is a brutal saying (one which I don't agree with), 'las mujeres, para el metate y el petate', which says, in effect, that sex and housework are all women are good for; men who take this attitude don't seem to have a problem getting sex. so yes, i'm a bit annoyed with women that most will either go for this sort of man or demand all the benefits of traditional relationships (the man pays for everything, if there's a divorce they get custody unless they don't want it) and those of egalitarian relationships. Most women do not believe in equality; actions speak louder than words.



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31 Oct 2007, 8:59 am

Unfortunately pbcoll, you're right. Thats the reason why I cant stand feminists.



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31 Oct 2007, 9:57 am

"You can't become friends with a date, or stop dateing without hurting someone's feelings."

A quote from someone at an aspie meeting years ago that I attended. Ah how true. It's natural to feel that way, so we all need to cope with it in good way. People often don't leave relationships just to be cruel to people. As the orignal poster mentioned. Cheating though, is a different matter, I think.

I was watching a show the other night, and these guys were strutting in high heels with a group of lesbians watching. One of the lesbians said "Now look, you see what us women have to go through to look good for you? You men couldn't handle it. You men are nothing." I thought, "wow. Who would want someone that thinks that way?" She male bashed with "you men are nothing", as if she was superior. Some men think they are superior, and act like wise toward women with gal bashing. "women are so weak." "all women are sluts" and the like for real. That's just a bad attitude to have, period.

Being that mean about another gender is not justified for any reason. So many people don't behave that way. So yeah, I agree with those points. Just not about a guys anger being a reflection of wrong doing. Whoever got ticked off at the entire gender of females, I guess might be ranting or actualy doesn't like women. That's just my oppinion, though. I didn't read any post yet where a guy was bashing women.