How to use OKCupid (from an actual success story.)
Giftorcurse
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Maybe it's because the type of women that I'm interested in expect equal quality men.
Why should a woman that works respect a man who doesn't have a job? I don't have a job right now. Soon I will. And soon I will try dating again, but right now I don't feel like dating women on disability or the types of women that like men that are on disability.
Maybe she respects him for his morals, or his kindness to animals, or any of dozens of reasons why someone might deserve respect. You're being rather hard on yourself here.
Ok, Lost.
Just for you, I went around and asked the girls I knew who were dating guys without jobs why they are dating them. What they believe the guys in question have that brings value, and what they respect about them.
1) One of the first things one mentioned was that even when he was studying, and even when he had no job, he would still find a way to scrape enough money together to send to his mother and his little sister every month. Even when on occasions that meant not eating meat for a month or longer just to be able to do that. She respects and admires him for loving and for trying to take care of his family even though he can't be there with them, even when his own situation is hard and he has to sacrifice to do it. Especially considering he is only 21 and most guys are more likely to live off their mothers at that age than send them money.
2) One of the girls already has a son from another man, and he is exceptionally good with her son. He has an amazing way of relating to kids in general (before that, he was with an older women who had 3 and got along equally as well with them). He is a very good father and is extremely involved on a day to day level with him. She went so far as to say that hanging out with both of them is actually enjoyable and relaxing because he is able to make it so (single mothers who have dated will be able to tell you how rare this is). She can trust to leave them alone together at any time and know both will usually be happy about it. She respects and admires that a lot about him, and knows he will make an exceptional father one day when he does decide to have a child of his own.
3) The last girl I asked said it was not one singular defining trait, but rather a bunch of things mixed up together. Like the fact that he is very affectionate and loving. He knows how to cook well and therefore does so a lot, in fact he does it most of the time. He keeps his place clean and organised almost all the time. He has a pet and takes very good care of it. He is also great with animals in general, including hers. He doesn't have much money, but manages it very well - he's also happy to pay when he does have money to afford it. He doesn't have a problem with equality like some guys do and it doesn't threaten him - he's cool with both of them doing what they can to contribute in the areas they have resources. He tries to do the right thing. He never lies to her. He's not jealous. Basically there is no drama in their relationship because they don't let anything come between them. He's very responsible, happy, and easy going. The combination makes him a great partner, and she respects him for those things and believes that he brings value.
And since you wanted normal NT women, all of these answers are from NT women, all of who are quite pretty. There is an aspie girl dating one but I excluded her answer since you would discount it anyway because she is aspie.
Thumbs up for the counter-examples^ you list.
Hope I'm not going too terribly far off-topic with this tangent-I wanted to respond to the above.
Not all women (aspie or NT) bother taking into account a man's employment status
when falling in love and/or deciding to date him.
My reasons for getting into a relationship with and having feelings for a guy aren't related to whether he has a job or not
(or if he has a job, whether it's menial/low paying).
I value the individual and their qualities as a person-traits like being kind, sweet, affectionate and expressive.
Treating me well counts far more than whether a guy is on SSI/Disability, unemployment, or has a low-profile "unimpressive" part time or temp job.
I'm not looking to be "impressed" by how "important" a person is, my priority is how well we get along together.
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I aspire to using my ambivalence in a positive manner, incl. but not limited to how I come across online.
I struggle mightily with excessive self-criticism & unnerving self-consciousness around strangers (unknown/new people).
I'd like to be laid-back, I prefer low-key mellow people and wish I could be more that way myself.
Can't figure out where I'd place myself on the Venn diagram of nerdiness-but I'm an INTJ aspie female who values relationship.
Appreciate the attitude/stance you are trying to cultivate and share, and thanks for starting the thread (OP was a good post).
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*"I don't know what it is, but I know what it isn't."*
I aspire to using my ambivalence in a positive manner, incl. but not limited to how I come across online.
I struggle mightily with excessive self-criticism & unnerving self-consciousness around strangers (unknown/new people).
I'd like to be laid-back, I prefer low-key mellow people and wish I could be more that way myself.
Can't figure out where I'd place myself on the Venn diagram of nerdiness-but I'm an INTJ aspie female who values relationship.
Appreciate the attitude/stance you are trying to cultivate and share, and thanks for starting the thread (OP was a good post).
Its been great to find a girlfriend/partner to share things with but I still go out several nights a week and attempt to socialize and make new friends. In the end, trying is what really matters. I can give off an air of ambivalance, but that doesn't mean that I don't still struggle. I too deal with excessive self-criticism & self-consciousness around new people and I still make the occasional social feux-pah. But I try and I'm always pushing myself. I know and accept that I will struggle with this, at some level, for my entire life. There is no magic cure for social awkwardness.
Thanks for the compliments!
http://www.thefrisky.com/2013-05-29/gir ... ound-love/
It's written from a female perspective, but It's very much in line with what I've been saying. And, like mine, most of the advice can be applied to either gender.
nice, it helps if both are open. It just doesn't seem to be that way currently.
I just read the article, and I agree-
the trouble is, both people (who might be candidates for each other) have to dare be open enough about how they are, flaws & all.
No easy thing when the dating marketplace pressures people into fitting cookie-cutter (no rough edges or complicated complexity) molds.
It's hard to hold on to one's individual quirks, and dare wear them openly for all to see (and likely reject),
in hopes of holding out for the rare person who will genuinely appreciate the authenticity and realness of a "left-of-normal" sort.
Appreciate you posting that link, Geeko !
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Every girl I've ever chatted with on okc has very low opinion about guys on okcupid; thinking of them as weirdos and losers, well they often told me I am 'exception' or like some put it 'normal so far' - but seriously my very presence there is anti-impressive because of that, by default you're being associated with those guys.
Not read everything, just the first and last page, but wanted to add a suggestion.
Don't make the dates about the two people going on the date. If you want to take the pressure off, make the date entirely about what you're doing on the date.
Like, I love Indian food and I honestly couldn't go out to eat indian food enough.
If I ever get around to using a dating site that's what I'd do. I'd advertise for cinema buddies, Indian food buddies, buddies for other activities and I would make a point right from the start to make it about the activities.
If something came from it that's good, but otherwise it's nothing serious, it's something casual and I would get something I want from EVERY SINGLE DATE, regardless of what I thought of the person I went out with.
And tbh that attitude is an attitude that really helps. You want a relationship and youll never get it, but aim for something else and you'd be surprised by how effective an approach that can be.
^ I agree with this and would like to question how flexible one should be about their likes and dislikes?
Frinstance - I really dislike Indian food. I mean I can eat it but I don't like it and it always makes me ill. Also, I really hate football (soccer for the American friends). I hate the noise and craziness that goes with it and wouldn't really want to date someone who is into it. People constantly tell me I should be more flexible about these things and just go and see if I like the person. To me this seems pointless as we'd clash constantly on these important points even if we got along like a house fire with everything else. i guess my point is that maybe people on the spectrum are less able to be tolerant and flexible than NTs and this is not always appreciated in the dating context?
I aspire to using my ambivalence in a positive manner, incl. but not limited to how I come across online.
I struggle mightily with excessive self-criticism & unnerving self-consciousness around strangers (unknown/new people).
I'd like to be laid-back, I prefer low-key mellow people and wish I could be more that way myself.
Can't figure out where I'd place myself on the Venn diagram of nerdiness-but I'm an INTJ aspie female who values relationship.
Appreciate the attitude/stance you are trying to cultivate and share, and thanks for starting the thread (OP was a good post).
Its been great to find a girlfriend/partner to share things with but I still go out several nights a week and attempt to socialize and make new friends. In the end, trying is what really matters. I can give off an air of ambivalance, but that doesn't mean that I don't still struggle. I too deal with excessive self-criticism & self-consciousness around new people and I still make the occasional social feux-pah. But I try and I'm always pushing myself. I know and accept that I will struggle with this, at some level, for my entire life. There is no magic cure for social awkwardness.
Thanks for the compliments!
Brilliant post. By accepting there's probably always going to be social difficulties, you're not running away from them, nor beating yourself up, so you're allowing yourself to learn. That's got to be the best approach, surely.
Frinstance - I really dislike Indian food. I mean I can eat it but I don't like it and it always makes me ill. Also, I really hate football (soccer for the American friends). I hate the noise and craziness that goes with it and wouldn't really want to date someone who is into it. People constantly tell me I should be more flexible about these things and just go and see if I like the person. To me this seems pointless as we'd clash constantly on these important points even if we got along like a house fire with everything else. i guess my point is that maybe people on the spectrum are less able to be tolerant and flexible than NTs and this is not always appreciated in the dating context?
In general I dislike that sport hysteria as well, but wouldnt see, how you would be forced to experience it, only because of your partner being into sports? Him watching a game or going out to a game with friends, doesnt keep you from doing your hobbies meanwhile? Just like eating...being with someone that likes indian food himself, doesnt force you to eat it?
Frinstance - I really dislike Indian food. I mean I can eat it but I don't like it and it always makes me ill. Also, I really hate football (soccer for the American friends). I hate the noise and craziness that goes with it and wouldn't really want to date someone who is into it. People constantly tell me I should be more flexible about these things and just go and see if I like the person. To me this seems pointless as we'd clash constantly on these important points even if we got along like a house fire with everything else. i guess my point is that maybe people on the spectrum are less able to be tolerant and flexible than NTs and this is not always appreciated in the dating context?
The word 'should' is often an alarm word for me. Who says what should should be?
You associate noise and craziness with football. Other people associate different things with it. I know it's the easiest conversation starter I can have with many NT men in this country. Doesn't mean football is good or not good - it's down to one's own associations.
Wider point -
It depends how you see people. Personally, I'm more interested in inner qualities like kindness and intelligence than what hobbies someone does, what job they do (in most cases) or what possessions they own - I don't think those latter things say that much about a person, apart from how they choose to pass the time between birth and death. It almost seems to me like people want a carbon copy of themselves. I've kind of got one in a twin - maybe that's made me more tolerant of different things, as I realise that (almost) identikit likes and interest just isn't that world-changing. I don't need a female version of myself.
It's been argued that people, when it comes to dating, want someone 'just like them'. I don't know - maybe if that so-called impossible thing was realised, it could be seen as not as important as one first thought. From my limited perspective, it just seems like a good way of torturning oneself and keeping oneself from having a happy relationship - constantly chasing the unobtainable. Of course, I really don't know.
I realise that this may be just me being particularly intolerant, but even a small sound of football noise from the tv makes me well up in rage. I just hate it. I would hate hearing the sounds of it in my house and when people talk about it I feel really cross and have to excuse myself and walk away because it makes me feel violent. It's not rational, obviously, but hey..some men insist on their women having long hair
Indian food smells really strong and to someone who has sensory issues that's a big deal. Going to an Indian restaurant is always an ordeal for me and I'd rather not be with someone who will feel put out that we can never do what he wants to do together.. I mean, I am saying all this from experience.. my ex and I spent the last few years of our relationship hardly seeing or speaking to eachother because we didn't want to do the same things most of the time and didn't want to annoy eachother with shoving our own thing down the other one's throat. At the end it was like..yeah..actually, love can't conquer all...
Dont understand about the food. So you are not forced to eat the same stuff together. My partner doesnt like japan and seafood. So we either go to multi-asia restaurant, that have as well chinese, thai, vietnam foods for him, or we simply order each at separate restaurants, then its for me japanese and for him normally a pizza ^^, and then bring it home with us, and have a nice evening together.
If he has smelly food, like Pasta that is overall covered with that stinking Pseudo-Parmesan powder, he must accept to be eating 2 meters away from me, with an open window separating us. XD
If you are hating a sound from the television, only because of the meaning of it, while you can tolerate lots of other sounds of the same volume, I do agree that this must be based on you and your own expectations, so that what you hate, has to be hated by others as well, for them to be appreciated by you.
Personally, I need to have shared interest with my partner, to enjoy spending time with each other. But I dont mind some hobbies, that dont bother me, simply because it gives me as well the opportunity to do the interests on my own, that I do not share with him,
You associate noise and craziness with football. Other people associate different things with it. I know it's the easiest conversation starter I can have with many NT men in this country. Doesn't mean football is good or not good - it's down to one's own associations.
Did I say it was evil? I didn't? Oh well, let me say it now- It Are Eeeeevvvvviiiiil
aww, bless !
It's been argued that people, when it comes to dating, want someone 'just like them'. I don't know - maybe if that so-called impossible thing was realised, it could be seen as not as important as one first thought. From my limited perspective, it just seems like a good way of torturning oneself and keeping oneself from having a happy relationship - constantly chasing the unobtainable. Of course, I really don't know.
I have been wondering, (please feel to ignore the question if it makes you feel uncomfortable) but how does your Aspergers manifest? You said you liked a lot of alone time - is this not because people end up wearing you out then?
RE: bolded bit - I cannot imagine a carbon copy of myself. I would like to experience it, for empirical purposes, but I just can't imagine it. I mean, I am pretty speshul, it would be difficult to even get close to being like me (my most recent ex came fairly close).
You seem to know what having a happy relationship entails?
I imagined a Smeegel voice there, 'It Are Eeeeevvvvviiiiil'
I used to share a house with someone who had grown up living next door to a football stadium. He was frequently racially abused. I'll never forget the apoplectic rage he went into when he walked in and I was watching football. It went beyond the actual game, and went beyond sanity. He'd argue that it was evvvviilllll to the max, and the plaything of the BNP.
Because that's what associations are. Like the biting - like anything - and it doesn't have to have anything to do with logic. But people tend to live by these associations and think it's who they are - it's not.
Haha - yes, I might get 'wider point' tattooed on my knuckles, just to remind myself.
Aspergers - Yes, it is predominantly that. People wear me out. Today, my bro is on a course until this evening. I'm glad, because I don't have the energy for him and his aaaaaaaagh ways (bless him) and after being out last night, and partaking in much mirth in some of the region's more 'cosmopolitan' establishments, hehe. I'm sat here with a duvet, feeling worn out and sensitive... It's not always because people irritate me - sometimes they do, especially so-called professionals in my job, and cruelty, and unkindness - but I'm not that bad, really. I'm quite adaptable to 'doing things', like hours with a female friend or partner shopping for women's clothes in huge retail centres - and actually enjoying it and contributing. How many men are flexible enough to do that? (Of course, there are some things I am pig-headedly inflexible over) The telling thing is, I'll come back and be exhausted. I occasionally have some communication issues, and have a very poor regard for 'authority' - not that anyone would notice, mind!
Do I know what a happy relationship entails? I've had happy ones, yeah. But living with someone all the time in a relationship context - that's a different one, especially given the paragraph above. And because I'm pretty adaptable, which helps with happiness, it's now a bit tiresome if someone can't move a bit towards me a bit. I did meet someone exactly like that once, and I ended it - because it felt too good to be true. DUH! Back to that question - knowing isn't enough, and the proof of the pudding is in the marrying and living happily ever after...or something a little less syrupy!
I cant believe I just wrote that...hehe
Your posts make me feel sad - maybe I shouldn't, but I do. Do you want to change? Do you even think you should? I just can't see how you're going to be with a man in a good relationship - maybe a man's not worth it! It would probably break a man's heart getting close to you?
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