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14 Jul 2019, 6:09 pm

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For my part, I'd marry a woman as much as twice my age, if she met all my other requirements, though I'd prefer a woman somewhere in her twenties.


You're one of the good ones.

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14 Jul 2019, 6:10 pm

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Of course. All modern dating problems are caused exclusively by women. /s


Accusing ALL guys of categorically ignoring this is sexist & lame & sexist. We can't just keep pushing this balance one way or the other because our proverbial toes got stepped on. This kind of sour attitude is in large part why I as a guy barely go near anybody anymore.


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14 Jul 2019, 11:03 pm

FWIW I want everyone to know that being a shy guy in no way means I dislike people.


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15 Jul 2019, 8:39 am

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Of course. All modern dating problems are caused exclusively by women. /s


Accusing ALL guys of categorically ignoring this is sexist & lame & sexist. We can't just keep pushing this balance one way or the other because our proverbial toes got stepped on. This kind of sour attitude is in large part why I as a guy barely go near anybody anymore.


Where did I accuse ALL guys of this? I really have no clue what you're talking about.


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15 Jul 2019, 10:20 am

You didn't per sé, I just think that would be a REALLY lousy attitude if a guy adopted it.


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15 Jul 2019, 10:37 am

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You didn't per sé, I just think that would be a REALLY lousy attitude if a guy adopted it.


You do realize I was being sarcastic?


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15 Jul 2019, 11:20 am

Yeah but it was just blame shifting. Toxic masculinity is reinforced by female sexism more than you probably think.


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15 Jul 2019, 11:42 am

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Yeah but it was just blame shifting. Toxic masculinity is reinforced by female sexism more than you probably think.


Actually, I was responding to FOB's habit of replying to any criticism of male preferences with his usual, "But women are worse/more picky/more judgmental/ect." followed by some inane Tinder anecdote.

And men and women bear equal blame for sexist attitudes and standards. I really wish some posters on L&D would figure that out and stop trying to blame the entirety of sexism on the opposite sex.


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15 Jul 2019, 1:11 pm

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This thread does not allow contesting what previous posters have shared. No argument, response or debate is allowed. Ego seems to take over when we debate and posters become either defensive or offensive, which turns the whole thing into a conflict rather than a positive learning experience.
The purpose here is to talk about an interaction that has occurred with the opposite sex and what you needed to happen that didn't. Or what was a great response and why. Why you felt frustrated, invalidated, angry, or joyful and elated.

The intention is to examine our own and others feelings and just pay attention ,and hopefully we will attain new discernments by passively observing and just listening and not descending into being judgemental or feeling attacked.

I'll begin.
A few weeks ago I shared how my aspie love interest upset me by not asking me how I felt when I was really sick and seemed to make light of the fact that I was unwell. He really hurt my feelings. Because I know that he cares it wasn't such a major issue, but sick and grumpy I lashed out and made it clear that when I am sick or anyone else for that matter, concern has to be expressed verbally otherwise I have no way of monitoring how he feels. I cannot read his mind, what he doesn't say out loud I cannot possibly know. I need to feel cared about or what's the point in being a relationship? ( rhetorical question, no response required :D )
Yesterday I had a bad stomach bug and felt lousy. A simple "feel better" from my guy was expressed and made me feel much better.This may seem a ridiculously trivial matter but these things are hard for him to express and make me feel he doesn't care. He felt good because he knew what I needed and could provide it, so it was a win win. A little positive attention goes a long way with me. Progress not perfection :D

Who has something to share with us? Can be a past or present experience.



Just a reminder of the nature of this thread.
There are plenty of other threads for combat or militancy, this is a safe place for both sexes to say how they feel without being attacked. Try listening without responding. We all know how we feel ourselves, let's listen to others without forcing our opinions on them. How can we invalidate the deepest feelings of others?


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17 Jul 2019, 3:51 am

Some of us (and the more I talk to straight women, the more this comes up) like 'soy boys'.

I'm starting to think this stigma is made by other guys who feel threatened by it. Probably because they see the girls crowding round such guys and they can't understand it as they're - something different - a wannabe tough guy.

A bit like the notion that women spread that 'men like women who leave a bit to imagination', I've never heard a guy say that and I've never heard a woman say 'ew he's such a soy boy'.


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17 Jul 2019, 5:06 am

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Some of us (and the more I talk to straight women, the more this comes up) like 'soy boys'.

I'm starting to think this stigma is made by other guys who feel threatened by it. Probably because they see the girls crowding round such guys and they can't understand it as they're - something different - a wannabe tough guy.

A bit like the notion that women spread that 'men like women who leave a bit to imagination', I've never heard a guy say that and I've never heard a woman say 'ew he's such a soy boy'.


Not heard the term used before. Soy boy. It is an American term?


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17 Jul 2019, 5:18 am

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Some of us (and the more I talk to straight women, the more this comes up) like 'soy boys'.

I'm starting to think this stigma is made by other guys who feel threatened by it. Probably because they see the girls crowding round such guys and they can't understand it as they're - something different - a wannabe tough guy.

A bit like the notion that women spread that 'men like women who leave a bit to imagination', I've never heard a guy say that and I've never heard a woman say 'ew he's such a soy boy'.


Not heard the term used before. Soy boy. It is an American term?


Yeah. But for some reason Scots have started using it more and more. It's annoying. And Scots say spice boy too.

I suspect it originated from guys in MAGA hats...


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17 Jul 2019, 5:46 am

Interestingly, I have heard guys say they like women who “leave a bit to the imagination.”

I am one of those guys. Nothing turns me on more than the notion that there is fire behind a lady’s reserve.



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17 Jul 2019, 6:01 am

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Interestingly, I have heard guys say they like women who “leave a bit to the imagination.”

I am one of those guys. Nothing turns me on more than the notion that there is fire behind a lady’s reserve.


That's nice to know. I think it might be a generational thing? Guys nowadays have grown up on internet porn etc.

I don't like acting like there's nothing left to show but at the same time - I've only ever heard that from straight women. And mostly when their boyfriends were leering at a girl in a crop top and mini shorts... The fashion advice 'choose one' comes to mind.

I've been thinking about this soy boy/spice boy thing. I think it comes down to long term relationships. I had a brief flirtation with one, my cousin is with one, my stepdad isn't but he is actually like a 'beta male', the type who apparently can't get women (funny how he's been with a younger woman for about 20 years then, and no, he's not rich, he's just nice, he's so old that we don't officially know if he's on the spectrum but he has a stereotypically aspie style/nerdy personality).

My dad was an alpha. Mum presumably found him hot. Then she married him, had a kid by him, felt terrified and kept running away. Whenever he would shout at her and threaten her and smash things up, she was scared. She kept running away until she plucked up the nerve to divorce him.

Now would it have been different if he had been a one night stand? For my part, no (I like pretty boys), but for a lot of women, yes. Muscles are nice to look at, nice to have a brief flirtation with someone like that. But someone who values being the strongest and most confident over values like being kind and thinking of others around him isn't that great to have a kid with or be around in the long run.

So a lot of women would rather settle down with someone who isn't an alpha. And a soy boy/spice boy who looks after himself is best of both worlds, nice to look at and comfortable for women.


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