The PUA community
guys, if you're looking where to start, here's some options:
1. venusian arts. these are the originators of it all.
this is their most recent book with the best info:
http://www.amazon.com/Pickup-Artist-New ... 0345518195
it is very salesy, so ignore that, and just study the info; its absolutely their best material.
this one is also helpful, but missing key pieces the first book has:
http://www.amazon.com/Mystery-Method-Be ... 312360118/
they also have a book called "revelation", which is awesome.
2. mehow.
http://www.mehow.tv/neproducts/neproducts.php
generally he makes good products, which are incredibly detailed. i believe his are particularly aspie oriented
3. dj fuji: http://www.taoofdjfuji.com/
he doesn't have products, but runs coaching programs. both mehow and dj fuji have good coaching programs.
let me be clear: i make NO money from writing this. it has cost me a fortune in my time and effort to research autism and reach the conclusions i have. i would strongly suggest if you cannot afford anything that you pirate it all. its that important. then turn this into your special interest and study your ass off. and get started ASAP. you want to be happy, right?
also let me make another point clear: if you're 400 lbs, pasty white, have nothing to talk about except world of warcraft, have such sensory issues that you can't go outside, can't ever dream of making eye contact and speak in the world's most boring monotone then you're not going to turn into brad pitt.
but this stuff WILL put you on a path that WILL make a major difference in your life. the outcome is going to be contingent on your level of functioning, your willingness to put yourself outside your comfort zone, and how hard you work. it HAS been a breakthrough for me and THANK GOD i got diagnosed after i found the game, otherwise i would have just given up too.
i'm going to work on getting the validity of this material as treatment for the autism community investigated. obviously it needs to be made "pick up free" before it will work for a general audience, but for the single guys here you can start now. on the autism professional front, i am already making progress and i have the resources to push this hard. the autism professionals don't particularly care that much; they already have their knowledge, they read the DSM every few years and keep reassuring you that you're ok. screw that, we can do much better.
you want to see my motivation? read the story of this guy.. he had a son who had a terrible brain condition. the doctors told him his son would have drainage done but would eventually die. he said "i may be a blue collar guy, but i'm a hydraulics engineer. i'm gonna fix this. and he did. today it saves 15,000+ lives per year.
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/12/27/Tampa ... __gi.shtml
at this point for myself, i already know what to do. i have more work on myself going ahead, but i'm in the right direction. however i'm not going to leave the rest of you behind -- if i'm right. and we'll have more info in the coming weeks and months.
if anyone has any private questions feel free to msg me.
trojan51
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Joined: 10 Dec 2009
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Posts: 361
Location: Seattle, Washington, United States
Because the PUA stuff gets girls to like the guy more.
but they aren't liking the real guy. they are liking the illusion.
Exactly. You're lying to them by telling them that you're something that you're not.
Its mostly about attracting quality women, the PUA stuff says quality women lose interest easily because they have so many guys chasing them, that you have to act crazy and in total control to keep their interests.
Because the PUA stuff gets girls to like the guy more.
but they aren't liking the real guy. they are liking the illusion.
Exactly. You're lying to them by telling them that you're something that you're not.
Its mostly about attracting quality women, the PUA stuff says quality women lose interest easily because they have so many guys chasing them, that you have to act crazy and in total control to keep their interests.
And what do you mean by "quality women" ?
Because the PUA stuff gets girls to like the guy more.
but they aren't liking the real guy. they are liking the illusion.
Exactly. You're lying to them by telling them that you're something that you're not.
Its mostly about attracting quality women, the PUA stuff says quality women lose interest easily because they have so many guys chasing them, that you have to act crazy and in total control to keep their interests.
Or to make them think "What a w*ker" and never contact you again...
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trojan51
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Joined: 10 Dec 2009
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Posts: 361
Location: Seattle, Washington, United States
Because the PUA stuff gets girls to like the guy more.
but they aren't liking the real guy. they are liking the illusion.
Exactly. You're lying to them by telling them that you're something that you're not.
Its mostly about attracting quality women, the PUA stuff says quality women lose interest easily because they have so many guys chasing them, that you have to act crazy and in total control to keep their interests.
And what do you mean by "quality women" ?
Hot ones, the ones that all guys are like "damn shes fine" as she walks by. The ones with curves in the right places and a very pretty face.
A female's quality is judged on her appearance, as a mans quality is on his social skills and his wealth and popularity.
Because the PUA stuff gets girls to like the guy more.
but they aren't liking the real guy. they are liking the illusion.
Exactly. You're lying to them by telling them that you're something that you're not.
Its mostly about attracting quality women, the PUA stuff says quality women lose interest easily because they have so many guys chasing them, that you have to act crazy and in total control to keep their interests.
And what do you mean by "quality women" ?
Hot ones, the ones that all guys are like "damn shes fine" as she walks by. The ones with curves in the right places and a very pretty face.
A female's quality is judged on her appearance, as a mans quality is on his social skills and his wealth and popularity.
That's what I thought you meant. Thank you for grading women as if we were meat in a supermarket. Yes, as a woman my only role in life is to be pretty, as a man would NEVER consider personality or intelligence when selecting a mate. I guess I'm a low quality woman as I'm not stereotypically "hot." If you can't see the sarcastic venom dripping from this post, I would suggest getting your eyes checked.

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Its a mix - some guys are nobly trying to figure out what they've been doing wrong all their lives, ie. they're able to get through college, get the great jobs, be the well developed adults they 'think' they're supposed to be and still nothing's adding up. You also do have twits as well who just want to go out and mack so, its a mixed bag there.
Also, I'd love to think that whatever strides are made, for better or for less, that it will be enlightening even more to women, partly regarding what guys go through but even more so where they may be accessible and inaccessible in all the ways that they really don't want to be.
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remember as aspies the emotional development is delayed. he might be older, but he may be emotionally at age 12. thats the same for everyone here and its ok. he'll improve with time, i guarantee it.
for me, sure i like pretty girls. but i could have married a pretty girl a long time ago.
for a permanent relationship i want a smart girl who can really challenge me intellectually. and she has to be damn funny. i've been lucky to go out with hot girls and they can often be more trouble than they're worth because you have other guys hunting them down all the time.
but thats just me. each guy will have different interests, just like women do too.
and PUA material doesn't help people to become more emotionally mature. learning to manipulate people to get what you thnk you want is not the same as being emotionally mature.
in fact, i'd say it feeds into a certain emotional IMmaturity - that side of some people that wants individuals to bend to their will with no consequences. becoming more charismatic, manipulative, self-serving, and controlling is not an aspect of any sort of maturity.
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and PUA material doesn't help people to become more emotionally mature. learning to manipulate people to get what you thnk you want is not the same as being emotionally mature.
in fact, i'd say it feeds into a certain emotional IMmaturity - that side of some people that wants individuals to bend to their will with no consequences. becoming more charismatic, manipulative, self-serving, and controlling is not an aspect of any sort of maturity.
this is why a lot of autism literature is wrong. social skills and social development is actually related to emotional maturity. the emotional maturity happens AFTER the skills are developed. it happened for me last year.
for example, you're showing extreme black and white thinking in your pursuit and attacking of me on these threads. its far closer to the behavior of a 13 year old than a woman who is nearly 40. otherwise you'd leave me alone and do something else more important in your life. how many other 40 year old women would spend this much energy on this?
also, if you didn't have black and white thinking you'd be able to put aside the "manipulation" label and the "pua" label and look at what i'm saying in terms of how it can solve this problem we all share, male, female, single, married. thats why i'm here.
but i understand why you can't do it yet. i used to be the same way.
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