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08 May 2016, 4:48 pm

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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Fnord wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
But
venting or ranting about difficulties related to love, dating or a
relationship is a love topic, those don't necessarily include "women
are...". What is this nonsense?
Ranting belongs in the Haven.
Rants are about the posters experience and frustration, not about love
and dating.
Agreed. If the poster is not in love with someone,
AND the poster is not dating the person they are in love with, then
the post belongs elsewhere (in my opinion). Leave the broken-hearted
winges and abandonment/betrayal rants for The Haven

Post in L&D only if you want to declare your love for someone, ask for
advice on dating or attracting someone, or announce impending nuptials
(in my opinion).
This is insanity.

In other word, you are saying that single people shouldn't post here.

Crushes and dealing with lack of love matters are also related to love
and dating realm.

That's like saying that only those who work in politics or religions
should post in PPR.

Alex, please don't listen to this insanity.

Do what you think is best.
If so rename it relationships and
unhappy about being in them.
People happy in relationships don't post on here anymore.

They'd be swapping out unhappily single people to unhappy relationship
people. Currently both posts. Of its not a single person posting it's
usually a woman posting s out how horrible her aspie guy is and what
can she do to fix him.
No, no unhappy relationship people
because that might cause them to say something negative about the
opposite sex. Only happy relationship people. Only let them talk about
how good their relationships are.

Image


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08 May 2016, 4:51 pm

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I think single people should be allowed to post, as long as they are asking specific questions about a real person or persons in whom they're interested. For example, asking how to get a specific woman's attention is fine, or asking what to do with a specific guy on a date. Posts that just say "what do men want" or "why don't women like me" are beyond useless. And yes, they are also sexist, because the underlying assumption is that all men or women are interchangeable and stereotyped.


Oh come on this is getting beyond ridiculous now. This place is for relationship advice, which also includes general advice, not just specific.

For instance my posts on lower dependency relationships wouldn't stand under such a system, even though it is not bigoted at all.

I can't think of a more limited and ill thought out rule on a love an Dating section on an ASD support forum.

People need to stop trying to control everything, becuase they can't take responsibility for their own feelings.

This just illustrates how people who invent such rules don't think through the consequence of doing do.



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08 May 2016, 4:54 pm

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Agreed. If the poster is not in love with someone, AND the poster is not dating the person they are in love with, then the post belongs elsewhere (in my opinion). Leave the broken-hearted winges and abandonment/betrayal rants for The Haven
Wait, so I'm not allowed to post in here anymore? What about people who are neither but still want advise on how to date or meet people?
Definitely not! You cannot post on how to date other people because that would lead to sweeping generalizations about the opposite sex. What attracts one person may repel another. /sarcasm


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08 May 2016, 5:10 pm

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So if under your proposed scheme we can ask for advice on attracting someone does that nullify your earlier point that we can only post if we're already dating someone and already in love with someone?
Rants are unproductive for everyone. Venting negative feelings is bad for the listener and bad for the speaker. That's why they belong in the Haven. There it is expected that negative emotions are getting the best of you.
I didn't ask about rants. Supposing I want advice on how to attract women?
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....You cannot post on how to date other people because that would lead to sweeping generalizations about the opposite sex. What attracts one person may repel another. /sarcasm

Advice on how to attract women is a waste of time. Women are not a multi-headed hydra. Such questions do lead to sweeping generalizations.



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08 May 2016, 5:14 pm

equal, RetroGamer87...

I suggest to ignore them.

It's useless.



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08 May 2016, 5:18 pm

Jono wrote:
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Agreed. If the poster is not in love with someone, AND the poster is not dating the person they are in love with, then the post belongs elsewhere (in my opinion). Leave the broken-hearted winges and abandonment/betrayal rants for The Haven


Wait, so I'm not allowed to post in here anymore? What about people who are neither but still want advise on how to date or meet people?



Yes, otherwise you are a SEXIST muhahahah.

Sexism-phobia or mania, I dunno what to call it, going on here: A condition of seeing sexism in.... everything.

I think...it's contagious, it's getting me. 8O... I shall resist...arghh.

Seriously, those people really need to see a shrink.



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08 May 2016, 5:27 pm

So let get this straight people are complaining about negative cynical threads, yet suggesting draconian measures equally as cynical and generalist.

As a posted illustrated before here is no definable answer, so the best policy is the marketplace of ideas. If an idea doesn't have merit, then sunlight is the best disinfectant. Having just one PC narrative isn't going to provide much practical advice.

This is thread is making a mountain out of a molehill.

As long term user of the forum, I don't think L&D has ever been better. I remember complaining about silly resentment when it was much worse than this. However I was criticising their ideas. I don't see the need prevent people from discussing issues just becuase of it. How is that meant to challenge attitudes?

We can't all live in hermetically sealed bubbles or echo chambers. That is not smart.



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08 May 2016, 5:29 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
equal, RetroGamer87...

I suggest to ignore them.

It's useless.


I suggest you ignore them since it is your idea, but part of the knack of ignoring someone is not mentioning the fact that you are ignoring. :wink:



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08 May 2016, 5:29 pm

androbot01 wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
So if under your proposed scheme we can ask for advice on attracting someone does that nullify your earlier point that we can only post if we're already dating someone and already in love with someone?
Rants are unproductive for everyone. Venting negative feelings is bad for the listener and bad for the speaker. That's why they belong in the Haven. There it is expected that negative emotions are getting the best of you.
I didn't ask about rants. Supposing I want advice on how to attract women?
RetroGamer87 wrote:
....You cannot post on how to date other people because that would lead to sweeping generalizations about the opposite sex. What attracts one person may repel another. /sarcasm

Advice on how to attract women is a waste of time. Women are not a multi-headed hydra. Such questions do lead to sweeping generalizations.


You are forgetting one thing here. Talking to, meeting and dating women still requires social skills which have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with what individual women like or don't like. Asperger's or high functioning autism practically by definition, is a disorder which inhibits social skills and therefore people with it have to learn it explicitly. Therefore, such advice on how to talk to women or how to attract them is still needed, for example in how to not come off as creepy or asking at the wrong times etc and actually very far from a waste of time. That's also like saying that asking for advice on how to best present yourself on a dating profile is a waste of time. People may have different tastes but how you come off to other people also counts.



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08 May 2016, 5:33 pm

0_equals_true wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
equal, RetroGamer87...

I suggest to ignore them.

It's useless.


I suggest you ignore them since it is your idea, but part of the knack of ignoring someone is not mentioning the fact that you are ignoring. :wink:


By ignoring them I mean by not quoting them and replying them, but you can still enjoy reading their posts and laugh.



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08 May 2016, 5:40 pm

0_equals_true wrote:
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I think single people should be allowed to post, as long as they are asking specific questions about a real person or persons in whom they're interested. For example, asking how to get a specific woman's attention is fine, or asking what to do with a specific guy on a date. Posts that just say "what do men want" or "why don't women like me" are beyond useless. And yes, they are also sexist, because the underlying assumption is that all men or women are interchangeable and stereotyped.


Oh come on this is getting beyond ridiculous now. This place is for relationship advice, which also includes general advice, not just specific.

For instance my posts on lower dependency relationships wouldn't stand under such a system, even though it is not bigoted at all.

I can't think of a more limited and ill thought out rule on a love an Dating section on an ASD support forum.

People need to stop trying to control everything, becuase they can't take responsibility for their own feelings.

This just illustrates how people who invent such rules don't think through the consequence of doing do.


Again, agree with this.



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08 May 2016, 5:43 pm

Well, I'll just re-iterate the opinion that sexist rants against an entire gender for showing no interest in the person posting the rant have no place in a forum dedicated to "Love and Dating".


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08 May 2016, 5:45 pm

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By ignoring them I mean by not quoting them and replying them, but you can still enjoy reading their posts and laugh.


Yeah I'm not going to do that. You are free to do it though. Horse for courses.



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08 May 2016, 5:51 pm

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Well, I'll just re-iterate the opinion that sexist rants against an entire gender for showing no interest in the person posting the rant have no place in a forum dedicated to "Love and Dating".


On the surface maybe, but I could actually lead to to something useful if they can be talked out of wasting their energy on resentment.

Isn't the Haven exactly not where you put these threads. Isn't that the "safe space" forum.

People may not want to use the Haven then.



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08 May 2016, 5:53 pm

Fnord wrote:
Well, I'll just re-iterate the opinion that sexist rants against an entire gender for showing no interest in the person posting the rant have no place in a forum dedicated to "Love and Dating".


Agreed, but that's very different from banning everyone who's either not already in a relationship or doesn't already have a crush on someone though.



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08 May 2016, 5:57 pm

Let's do a quick review on the threads of the first page in L&D:

Most attractive hair colour. ---> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread

Told a girl I love her too soon ---> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread

This is what it's like when get romantically kissed ---> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread

Mother in law thing: is this normal?---> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread

Romantic Loneliness in Women---> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread

Any hot aspie chicks? ---> offensive thread yet very old thread, yet ALL men mocked at the OP, none accepted it, it would get locked eventually for going too off topic.

Aspie boyfriend tends to let me initiate sex all the time ---> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread

Not a Good Match for Anybody? ---> nothing wrong in that thread,you may argue there's a bit generalization but I fail to see sexism there.

Ending a long-distance relationship ---> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread


How do I talk to the woman my male best friend is dating? ---> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread


Anything random to say about your crush/love/relationship? ---> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread

Why is everyone so obsessed with serious relationships? ---> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread

Romantic loneliness in men ---> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread

Making a personal dating profile ---> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread

Do multiracial people with natural blonde hair exist? ---> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread

What are Asperger girls like? ---> and necrod thread, yet silly thread, bordering sexism.

What chance do I have? ---> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread

I accidentally bumped into her parked car ---> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread

Can't stop obsessing over a rejection ---> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread

do you guys think she doesn't like me ---> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread

Will fantastic women so lonely they use dating sites and cra ---> A sly rant, generalization which can be considered sexist.

Worldwide Aspergian single List 2.0(Straight) ---> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread

Locked: How normal is it to threaten to kill your girlfriend? --> Serious women-hating, no male accepted it, and it got locked too.

I am only attracted too a female with outtie belly-button! --> silly thread of a silly fetish, but not sexist.

Truth about Asperger marriage failure rates? --> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread

Advice on boyfriends best friend--> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread

Eligible Odd-Bods : USA, West Coast --> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread


A girl might be interested in me and I need to act fast--> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread....bit spam tho

Unusual online dating experiences --> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread

Are there some women out there who care too much about looks ---> generalization, sexism

Kinda need help... --> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread

The Positive Love Thread --> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread

Autism in Love - the documentary --> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread


Dating when you come across as childlike--> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread

Locked: Response to thread in women's section. --> drama with sexist generalization, got locked...good.

Women's Expectations on Dating Sites --> generalized thread but not sexist at all, and it's old as F.


I knew it! adolescent girls are mean! --> generalization, can be interpreted as sexist.

Poll: Do you prefer meeting people online or IRL? --> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread


Gave speed dating a shot --> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread


First date ideas for teens? --> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread


Aspie trying to break down an abused girls emotional barrier --> nothing wrong in that thread, not sexist thread



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So those who are promoting that L&D is full of sexism and hate are just...exaggerating, and those are by the same people who see sexism in everything.