jrjones9933 wrote:
Read back, and note that I'm not the one who brought up rape. I offered a plausible explanation for the connection, and no one has meaningfully refuted it. Calling me an idiot SJW troll fetishish, etc. refutes nothing.
If calling out bigotry gets conflated with name calling, that will benefit the bigots tremendously. The bigots want to say they only state facts, but they have facts and beliefs confused, and often don't know the difference between personal experience and statistics (this is easy to check by reading their posts). Am I attacking them by pointing this out? I feel like I have attacked their arguments by going after the beliefs which underlie those arguments, but they take it personally and respond with clear personal attacks.
This thread seems to involve a few real issues that we can debate:
Does the word friendzone carry a lot of baggage based on its origins and popular usage? PF wants to create a hypothetical where the person who uses it exists outside that history and gets unjustifiably attacked for using it. I don't know what that accomplishes, but okay, the guy is innocent. From here forward, lets discuss people who actually exist.
Hordes of women lie in wait for that innocent man to use the word. Rather than engage in a discussion about the history and implications, they tear him to shreds on the spot. Does this ever happen in reality?
Has everyone who uses the term unpacked the history and implications, and do they understand their own psychology well enough to critique their own selfish motivations? I think the answer is obviously not. Do they intend to make an effort to examine both? Sadly, same answer. Easier to just call someone who asks the question names and ignore the questions.
Tell us more about how rape matters, also out of curiosity is this just limited to people rape, like how to people who rape their animals fit into all of this?
16 Sep 2017, 1:12 pm
