RetroGamer87
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20 Mar 2018, 9:43 pm
20 Mar 2018, 10:10 pm
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Raising kids sounds like the most horrible experience of all.
21 Mar 2018, 2:56 am
RetroGamer87
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21 Mar 2018, 3:15 am
Spiderpig wrote:
I fully accept harassment and rape must suck, and that it’s regrettable that most women have to undergo those experiences
You think only women can be harassed?
There are women out there who are ready, willing and able to mess up their boyfriend's life.You haven't had this experience because your single. And maybe you never will. With luck you'll settle down with a nice stable woman who doesn't have BPD or something worse.
21 Mar 2018, 9:14 am
RetroGamer87 wrote:
You think only women can be harassed? There are women out there who are ready, willing and able to mess up their boyfriend's life.
You haven't had this experience because your single. And maybe you never will. With luck you'll settle down with a nice stable woman who doesn't have BPD or something worse.
There are women out there who are ready, willing and able to mess up their boyfriend's life.You haven't had this experience because your single. And maybe you never will. With luck you'll settle down with a nice stable woman who doesn't have BPD or something worse.
It's far better to remain single than to end up with a woman who has a severe, undiagnosed personality disorder. Took me years to recover from her wild, unstable behavior. I am public enemy #1 with her family and what little friends she had but it was well worth it.
21 Mar 2018, 9:28 am
21 Mar 2018, 12:40 pm
21 Mar 2018, 1:09 pm
Spiderpig wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
A few years ago, I was in Las Vegas on a military training exercise.
A few of my buddies and I decided to go out on the strip, and we were joined by some other people from different squadrons. There was this one guy who kept kissing me, hanging on me, and throwing his arm around me. Me, not being very practiced at fending off male attention (a fact I suspect he sensed), just tried to stay away from him, but the more I attempted to avoid him, the more he continued. Finally, at the end of the night, I caught a cab back to my hotel room, and went to bed. About two hours later, I heard the door open, and my roommate's voice.
She brought the same guy back to our room.
She immediately leaves to go get ice, while leaving this idiot alone with me. I tried to go back to sleep, but he actually crawls into bed with me and started kissing me! I finally yelled at him to leave me the hell alone, which he found very funny, but, by that time, my roommate had returned, and he occupied himself with her for the rest of the night.
My point: the typical Wrong Planet guy would read my experience and reply, "So what? If a woman had done that to me, I'd feel FLATTERED and VALIDATED that she was paying attention to me! You girls have it SSOOO easy!"
The Logic being, of course, that since he, as a man, would've enjoyed it, I, as a woman, should've too. Unfortunately, at this point, I doubt there will ever being a shortage of men on here who are going to wag their finger in female's faces, and lecture us about our life experience as well as how we're supposed to feel about them.
A few of my buddies and I decided to go out on the strip, and we were joined by some other people from different squadrons. There was this one guy who kept kissing me, hanging on me, and throwing his arm around me. Me, not being very practiced at fending off male attention (a fact I suspect he sensed), just tried to stay away from him, but the more I attempted to avoid him, the more he continued. Finally, at the end of the night, I caught a cab back to my hotel room, and went to bed. About two hours later, I heard the door open, and my roommate's voice.
She brought the same guy back to our room.
She immediately leaves to go get ice, while leaving this idiot alone with me. I tried to go back to sleep, but he actually crawls into bed with me and started kissing me! I finally yelled at him to leave me the hell alone, which he found very funny, but, by that time, my roommate had returned, and he occupied himself with her for the rest of the night. My point: the typical Wrong Planet guy would read my experience and reply, "So what? If a woman had done that to me, I'd feel FLATTERED and VALIDATED that she was paying attention to me! You girls have it SSOOO easy!"
The Logic being, of course, that since he, as a man, would've enjoyed it, I, as a woman, should've too. Unfortunately, at this point, I doubt there will ever being a shortage of men on here who are going to wag their finger in female's faces, and lecture us about our life experience as well as how we're supposed to feel about them.
As already pointed out, that’s a blatant straw man.
I fully accept harassment and rape must suck, and that it’s regrettable that most women have to undergo those experiences, but this is not what was being discussed here. The only logic here is that the guy’s behavior is evidence that he was sexually attracted to you, so it is certainly a validation that you aren’t completely devoid of attractiveness, like many of us seem to be. It’s not a matter of what you feel, let alone what you should feel; just a fact, which probably means nothing to you, but would mean an awful lot to someone like me, simply because I’ve never seen any evidence that I can attract anyone. I have no problem admitting I’d probably focus less on this if I were afraid of attracting someone who would physically harm me, but, in my case, it seems just about the most unfounded possible fear I could have, because all evidence suggests that the last thing anyone approaching me wants is anything sexual.
No, it isn't.
What's being discussed is the issue of men waging their finger in women's faces, and attempting to dictate how we should feel about or own experiences.
The man's behavior did nothing to make me feel "validated." The fact that, if a woman did the same to you, you would derive some kind of pleasure from it, is completely irrelevant. The constant refusal by some to admit that men and women are not completely the same, and experience the world differently, just to further a childish victimhood narrative, is inane.
21 Mar 2018, 1:11 pm
21 Mar 2018, 10:54 pm
AngelRho
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21 Mar 2018, 11:50 pm
GiantHockeyFan wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
You think only women can be harassed? There are women out there who are ready, willing and able to mess up their boyfriend's life.
You haven't had this experience because your single. And maybe you never will. With luck you'll settle down with a nice stable woman who doesn't have BPD or something worse.
There are women out there who are ready, willing and able to mess up their boyfriend's life.You haven't had this experience because your single. And maybe you never will. With luck you'll settle down with a nice stable woman who doesn't have BPD or something worse.
It's far better to remain single than to end up with a woman who has a severe, undiagnosed personality disorder. Took me years to recover from her wild, unstable behavior. I am public enemy #1 with her family and what little friends she had but it was well worth it.
Are you sure you aren’t another version of me who wondered in from a parallel or alternate universe?
22 Mar 2018, 6:34 am
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22 Mar 2018, 7:57 am
22 Mar 2018, 11:37 am
22 Mar 2018, 2:45 pm
XFilesGeek wrote:
No, it isn't.
I’m not sure what your point is anymore, either. If you deny your depiction of what “the typical Wrong Planet guy” thinks about your experience is a straw man, I can only understand that you insist you know what’s in our heads better than we ourselves do. It’s rather infuriating to have words adamantly put in your mouth, but since I can’t stop you from doing it, I guess at this point further discussion is useless.
XFilesGeek wrote:
What's being discussed is the issue of men waging their finger in women's faces, and attempting to dictate how we should feel about or own experiences.
That’s what you chose to discuss when we were talking about something else entirely.
XFilesGeek (boldface added) wrote:
The man's behavior did nothing to make me feel "validated."
Spiderpig (boldface added) wrote:
The only logic here is that the guy’s behavior is evidence that he was sexually attracted to you, so it is certainly a validation that you aren’t completely devoid of attractiveness, like many of us seem to be. It’s not a matter of what you feel, let alone what you should feel; just a fact, which probably means nothing to you, but would mean an awful lot to someone like me, simply because I’ve never seen any evidence that I can attract anyone.
So even if I go out of my way to make it clear I’m not talking about your feelings, you ignore my actual point and just repeat yourself defensively, insisting on making it look like I am, in fact, baselessly lecturing you about your own feelings or telling you what they should be. If this isn’t a glaring sign that the discussion has become wholly futile, I don’t know what could be. I guess The_Face_of_Boo was right:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
/ end of discussion.
XFilesGeek wrote:
The fact that, if a woman did the same to you, you would derive some kind of pleasure from it, is completely irrelevant.
It may be irrelevant to your point, just as much as your feelings are to mine. If we’re not having the same discussion, it’s about time to stop pretending we are.
XFilesGeek wrote:
The constant refusal by some to admit that men and women are not completely the same, and experience the world differently, just to further a childish victimhood narrative, is inane.
I wonder who has even refused to admit that men and women are different. I for one was actually saying they are. And I don’t think insisting that any heterosexual man unsuccessful with women must actually hate women and support harassment and rape is any less of a victimhood narrative than simply talking about said lack of success and its circumstances might be.
22 Mar 2018, 3:07 pm
RetroGamer87 wrote:
You think only women can be harassed?
No, I don’t, nor was I the one who brought up harassment in the first place as an alleged counterargument to the obvious fact that nothing can bar you more from having a romantic or sexual life than failing to attract anyone, ever. I do think, however, that noöne will harass you with a sexual intent if they aren’t sexually attracted to you, so I for one feel completely safe in that regard, at least as far as female hypothetical perpetrators are concerned. Non-sexual kinds of harassment are a different matter and beside the point.
RetroGamer87 wrote:
There are women out there who are ready, willing and able to mess up their boyfriend's life.
You haven't had this experience because your single. And maybe you never will. With luck you'll settle down with a nice stable woman who doesn't have BPD or something worse.
You haven't had this experience because your single. And maybe you never will. With luck you'll settle down with a nice stable woman who doesn't have BPD or something worse.
I’m sorry, but only I get to define what is “luck” to me, and I’d gladly let a woman mess me up or subject me to whatever unfathomable horrors she wants if I get to keep my genes in the gene pool with viable prospects that they’ll continue to be passed on. Any and every sacrifice is worth it to me for this goal, though I certainly don’t expect to have a chance at all anyway.
