My gf seems to be bothered that I am 'white and privileged'.
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ironpony wrote:
Sorry if I didn't give enough information on her. I am finding out more as I go along as well. Well it seems that this trucker convoy has her up in arms and I want to understand her and maybe she knows something I don't. She feels that the protesting truckers are racists, and goes on a lot about that. But I don't understand what protesting against a vaccine mandate that is related to their job, has to do with racism though. I don't understand the connection.
What does being anti-mandate have to do with racism, or what is the connection there? Am I missing the obvious? She says it's because racists are use to getting their way, and and that this is just another example of them not getting there way, and they have to protest this as well? But is that really the connection between racism and being against a mandate though?
She also say that the protestors aren't actually protesting the mandate like they say they are, and it's just a front for alterior racist motives. But if the protest is just a front for another goal, how would getting rid of the mandate achieve a racist goal? How does getting rid of a vaccine mandate, make the world better for racists?
Unless I am missing the obvious?
What does being anti-mandate have to do with racism, or what is the connection there? Am I missing the obvious? She says it's because racists are use to getting their way, and and that this is just another example of them not getting there way, and they have to protest this as well? But is that really the connection between racism and being against a mandate though?
She also say that the protestors aren't actually protesting the mandate like they say they are, and it's just a front for alterior racist motives. But if the protest is just a front for another goal, how would getting rid of the mandate achieve a racist goal? How does getting rid of a vaccine mandate, make the world better for racists?
Unless I am missing the obvious?
You have completely missed the point, my friend. This is all Critical Race Theory.
Ok, yeah, I know…CRT is an advanced academic thing reserved for law students.
But it’s all part of the discourse and narrative. And that narrative is all that matters.
What does racism have to do with the convoy? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. How does the convoy serve a racist agenda or impact minorities? It doesn’t. There’s nothing logical or reasonable here. It’s all about the narrative.
And here’s the real point: the first thing you have to understand, according to the narrative, is that ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE RACIST. And you could really just stop right there. If you get that, you’ll understand the rest of it.
But in case you still don’t understand, here’s the second thing: Because of the above, ALL things white people do serves a racist agenda or achieves racist goals; it cannot be any other way. White people don’t have a non-racist thought in our heads, we do nothing that isn’t focused on oppressing minorities.
This applies to EVERYTHING. Are you anti-vax? Then you are a racist because you want to spread a virus that you know disproportionately affects minorities/POC. Are you pro-vax? Then you are a racist because you want to force minorities to take an untested, unproven, unsafe drug that was created by white people to harm minorities and POC. And EVEN IF the vax is safe, you only want minorities to get it because it is a means of control—you KNOW certain demographics are unwilling to get it, so you make it a requirement for employment.
It doesn’t matter if you are pro vax, anti vax, or what your reasons are for being either. Likewise, it doesn’t matter what the truckers are protesting. It all boils down to them being white and racist for no other reason than they are white, which makes us INHERENTLY and systemically racist. Nothing else matters.
I’m not saying that the narrative is true. I’m not even caricaturing it. I’m just saying that’s what you’re up against. There’s no way you can engage and come out looking any less racist. You can’t fight it with logic. Can’t fight it with intellect. It’s a lost cause no matter what. I’m not trying to persuade anyone here, not going to tell you to break up. All I’m trying to do is take a little of the mystery out of it.
Rexi wrote:
I suspect his birth lost twin murdered him and took his life over.
or his dog's writing off his account.
Shh, he was good before, he just needed a bit more... old age. To think he used to call me young.
Don't be envious, Pepe. Maybe your old age is... coming around too.
Shh, he was good before, he just needed a bit more... old age. To think he used to call me young.
Don't be envious, Pepe. Maybe your old age is... coming around too.
Don;t laugh, old age comes for all of us eventually Rexi. I'll see you on the other side in a blink of the eye
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Aspie1 wrote:
ironpony wrote:
What does being anti-mandate have to do with racism, or what is the connection there? Am I missing the obvious? She says it's because racists are use to getting their way, and and that this is just another example of them not getting there way, and they have to protest this as well? But is that really the connection between racism and being against a mandate though?
She also say that the protestors aren't actually protesting the mandate like they say they are, and it's just a front for alterior racist motives. But if the protest is just a front for another goal, how would getting rid of the mandate achieve a racist goal? How does getting rid of a vaccine mandate, make the world better for racists?
An anti-vax protest has nothing to do with racism. She's just testing you to see how you stand up for yourself in the relationship, and will use your reaction to plan how to treat you in the future. And so far, you're failing her tests miserably. A prompt, amicable breakup is the ONLY solution at this point. Otherwise, she'll treat you worse and worse with every test you fail, and you'll end up more and more miserable. She also say that the protestors aren't actually protesting the mandate like they say they are, and it's just a front for alterior racist motives. But if the protest is just a front for another goal, how would getting rid of the mandate achieve a racist goal? How does getting rid of a vaccine mandate, make the world better for racists?
There is no front. Your girlfriend is just saying there is to test you. I'm actually PRO-vax, even as a hardline, Trump-voting conservative. Even so, I'm seeing more red flags in her than in Moscow during the 1980 Summer Olympics. (pun strongly intended, with the Soviet flag being red)
What you are proposing is women's instinct to make her man stronger. If such a test was meant to destroy relationships there would not be any woman in a working relationship. There are couples who last through time and make it through rough patches, who work hard and have lasting marriages, and men who recognize their weaknesses and mistakes. To blame a woman for the whole course of the relationship because she's a woman and tell the man to actually end it is really wrong. The moment he ends it he is responsible for that decision, no matter how much he'd like to blame her for the actual end. The only sureway to fail the test is to end it. Makes no sense to propose that if you don't want things to end. Perhaps your fear of failure is your worst enemy.
If your theory was true, and she would be angry and all sorts, one way to pass it would be to not engage and to switch to a funny lighter mood. Take example:
You must not know what hardship is if you think debates are testing. You must've been lucky.
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Rexi wrote:
Aspie1 wrote:
ironpony wrote:
What does being anti-mandate have to do with racism, or what is the connection there? Am I missing the obvious? She says it's because racists are use to getting their way, and and that this is just another example of them not getting there way, and they have to protest this as well? But is that really the connection between racism and being against a mandate though?
She also say that the protestors aren't actually protesting the mandate like they say they are, and it's just a front for alterior racist motives. But if the protest is just a front for another goal, how would getting rid of the mandate achieve a racist goal? How does getting rid of a vaccine mandate, make the world better for racists?
An anti-vax protest has nothing to do with racism. She's just testing you to see how you stand up for yourself in the relationship, and will use your reaction to plan how to treat you in the future. And so far, you're failing her tests miserably. A prompt, amicable breakup is the ONLY solution at this point. Otherwise, she'll treat you worse and worse with every test you fail, and you'll end up more and more miserable. She also say that the protestors aren't actually protesting the mandate like they say they are, and it's just a front for alterior racist motives. But if the protest is just a front for another goal, how would getting rid of the mandate achieve a racist goal? How does getting rid of a vaccine mandate, make the world better for racists?
There is no front. Your girlfriend is just saying there is to test you. I'm actually PRO-vax, even as a hardline, Trump-voting conservative. Even so, I'm seeing more red flags in her than in Moscow during the 1980 Summer Olympics. (pun strongly intended, with the Soviet flag being red)
What you are proposing is women's instinct to make her man stronger. If such a test was meant to destroy relationships there would not be any woman in a working relationship. There are couples who last through time and make it through rough patches, who work hard and have lasting marriages, and men who recognize their weaknesses and mistakes. To blame a woman for the whole course of the relationship because she's a woman and tell the man to actually end it is really wrong. The moment he ends it he is responsible for that decision, no matter how much he'd like to blame her for the actual end. The only sureway to fail the test is to end it. Makes no sense to propose that if you don't want things to end.
Agreed.
In my experience, it was more about being in a relationship too long. Some relationships need to die. All of them do eventually. And in my case, it was dealing with low self esteem and constant depression driving me to hang on at all costs. We reached a point that no matter what was happening, every little thing that went wrong was my fault, never hers, and she was perfectly ok with that. I guess I’d just reached my lowest point when it occurred to me to ask myself was EVERYTHING in life always my fault? And perhaps it was…in that I made the choice to live with it. I could be miserable completely alone or I could be miserable with her. It dawned on me that if it gave me more comfort accepting that I’d be alone forever, something had gone horribly wrong.
So I don’t blame her for the relationship ending—she wanted me to stay with her. But I do blame her for being an abusive person. I blame her for the manipulation. Women are only at fault for what they DO and bear some responsibility for pushing a SO away. She didn’t make me leave her. She just failed to give me a good reason to stay.
Aspie1 wrote:
ironpony wrote:
What does being anti-mandate have to do with racism, or what is the connection there? Am I missing the obvious? She says it's because racists are use to getting their way, and and that this is just another example of them not getting there way, and they have to protest this as well? But is that really the connection between racism and being against a mandate though?
She also say that the protestors aren't actually protesting the mandate like they say they are, and it's just a front for alterior racist motives. But if the protest is just a front for another goal, how would getting rid of the mandate achieve a racist goal? How does getting rid of a vaccine mandate, make the world better for racists?
An anti-vax protest has nothing to do with racism. She's just testing you to see how you stand up for yourself in the relationship, and will use your reaction to plan how to treat you in the future. And so far, you're failing her tests miserably. A prompt, amicable breakup is the ONLY solution at this point. Otherwise, she'll treat you worse and worse with every test you fail, and you'll end up more and more miserable. She also say that the protestors aren't actually protesting the mandate like they say they are, and it's just a front for alterior racist motives. But if the protest is just a front for another goal, how would getting rid of the mandate achieve a racist goal? How does getting rid of a vaccine mandate, make the world better for racists?
There is no front. Your girlfriend is just saying there is to test you. I'm actually PRO-vax, even as a hardline, Trump-voting conservative. Even so, I'm seeing more red flags in her than in Moscow during the 1980 Summer Olympics. (pun strongly intended, with the Soviet flag being red)
Oh okay, but what I don't understand is, is you say she is testing me to see if I will stand up for myself, and then say I am failing the tests miserably. But so far I have stood up for myself, and I didn't change any of my beliefs or perceptions. I just told her her theories just seem like theories with no weight, and I don't see how one thing is connected to another without more evidence thrown at me to suggest so. But isn't that standing up for myself, and therefore, not failing if it's standing up?
Pepe wrote:
ironpony wrote:
She also say that the protestors aren't actually protesting the mandate like they say they are, and it's just a front for alterior racist motives. But if the protest is just a front for another goal, how would getting rid of the mandate achieve a racist goal? How does getting rid of a vaccine mandate, make the world better for racists?
Unless I am missing the obvious?
Unless I am missing the obvious?
I'd like to know, also.
Have you asked her to explain her thinking?
She says that getting rid of the mandate is just a small stepping stone to insert control in the government, but if racism is the goal, getting rid of a mandate seems like a very loose and small, insignificant stepping stone, at least to me. I told her this as well.
ironpony wrote:
Pepe wrote:
ironpony wrote:
She also say that the protestors aren't actually protesting the mandate like they say they are, and it's just a front for alterior racist motives. But if the protest is just a front for another goal, how would getting rid of the mandate achieve a racist goal? How does getting rid of a vaccine mandate, make the world better for racists?
Unless I am missing the obvious?
Unless I am missing the obvious?
I'd like to know, also.
Have you asked her to explain her thinking?
She says that getting rid of the mandate is just a small stepping stone to insert control in the government, but if racism is the goal, getting rid of a mandate seems like a very loose and small, insignificant stepping stone, at least to me. I told her this as well.
Is she talking about the Canadian government?
ironpony wrote:
Pepe wrote:
ironpony wrote:
She also say that the protestors aren't actually protesting the mandate like they say they are, and it's just a front for alterior racist motives. But if the protest is just a front for another goal, how would getting rid of the mandate achieve a racist goal? How does getting rid of a vaccine mandate, make the world better for racists?
Unless I am missing the obvious?
Unless I am missing the obvious?
I'd like to know, also.
Have you asked her to explain her thinking?
She says that getting rid of the mandate is just a small stepping stone to insert control in the government, but if racism is the goal, getting rid of a mandate seems like a very loose and small, insignificant stepping stone, at least to me. I told her this as well.
What is the connection between getting rid of the mandate and racism?
Rexi wrote:
What you are proposing is women's instinct to make her man stronger. If such a test was meant to destroy relationships there would not be any woman in a working relationship. There are couples who last through time and make it through rough patches, who work hard and have lasting marriages, and men who recognize their weaknesses and mistakes. To blame a woman for the whole course of the relationship because she's a woman and tell the man to actually end it is really wrong.
It is a pity we can't hear her side of the story from her own mouth.
There are always 2 sides "to the coin".
ironpony wrote:
Oh okay, but what I don't understand is, is you say she is testing me to see if I will stand up for myself, and then say I am failing the tests miserably. But so far I have stood up for myself, and I didn't change any of my beliefs or perceptions. I just told her her theories just seem like theories with no weight, and I don't see how one thing is connected to another without more evidence thrown at me to suggest so. But isn't that standing up for myself, and therefore, not failing if it's standing up?
He is in no position to *know* anything.
It is pure speculation dependent on what you have presented here.
We haven't heard her side directly.
Pepe wrote:
Do you know this or are you speculating? 
I know this for a fact. I learned it from a specific source. It doesn't get much love on here, but it really opened my eyes to how straight relationships work.If straight relationships were as peaceful and conflict-free as LGBT relationships, divorce rates would be 5%, not 50%. But you can't fight biology and evolution.
kraftiekortie wrote:
Are you kidding me?
Most LBGT+ relationships I've seen are bombastic, with many arguments.
Like, what would they fight over? Most LBGT+ relationships I've seen are bombastic, with many arguments.
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Pepe wrote:
ironpony wrote:
Oh okay, but what I don't understand is, is you say she is testing me to see if I will stand up for myself, and then say I am failing the tests miserably. But so far I have stood up for myself, and I didn't change any of my beliefs or perceptions. I just told her her theories just seem like theories with no weight, and I don't see how one thing is connected to another without more evidence thrown at me to suggest so. But isn't that standing up for myself, and therefore, not failing if it's standing up?
He is in no position to *know* anything.
It is pure speculation dependent on what you have presented here.
We haven't heard her side directly.
Yes sorry, I am trying to give the story as best I can, but only have my side of it, when I talk about it, but trying to present it the best I can.
