Why is chivalry good for anyone?

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14 Jun 2013, 12:58 pm

It seems like TheLibrarian uses chivalry as an excuse to be a little s**t to some, while putting on fake niceness to a select group of people.


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14 Jun 2013, 2:23 pm

A lady that switches roles sometimes is good, but outside of that, I might get a little uncomfortable.


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14 Jun 2013, 2:42 pm

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A lady that switches roles sometimes is good, but outside of that, I might get a little uncomfortable.


It's your turn to wash the dishes and do the laundry today, remember your marriage terms.

meems will fix the car.



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14 Jun 2013, 2:45 pm

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appletheclown wrote:
A lady that switches roles sometimes is good, but outside of that, I might get a little uncomfortable.


It's your turn to wash the dishes and do the laundry today, remember your marriage terms.

meems will fix the car.

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16 Jun 2013, 6:35 pm

OP you failed to mention where the word chivalry actually comes from, the French Chevalier, essentially the Medieval French knights, to be chivalrous at the time essentially meant they'd show women mercy to women.

It boiled down to, these were men who could get away with raping or killing most women but showed respect due to religious order and their "Honour", most modern adaptions of the term seems to associate it with being some sort of knight who defends the rights of women or who holds open a door, where originally it meant you showed mercy on someone you could have destroyed.

So in a sense chivalry can't exist anymore in most civilised parts of the world as someone who isn't chivalrous would be locked up pretty quickly for assault/rape/murder etc.



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18 Jun 2013, 4:05 am

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:lol: I am all with opening the car door if I get all that food in return.

See Tyrion, Chivalry turned out to be good for men! :lol:



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18 Jun 2013, 6:54 am

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@ Apple:
In my experience, Bi-girls are the most fun to date. Chances are you won't face as much pressure to be manly and assertive. The girl I'm seeing even did up my nails gun metal grey yesterday and is taking me to a drag ball as her date next week. She finds me exploring my queer side to be quite hot! I've known for a while that I'm mildly bi-sexual (though I prefer women) so it's nice to have a partner who encourages some exploration.


True that - though gray nails sound...um fascinating. :lol:

Bi girls are more fun in "normal" ways as well.



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18 Jun 2013, 6:55 am

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^^^^There are plenty of old books and books printed on renewable resources.The difference is holding the book,smelling the sweet tannin smell that books have.And no glare,I have light sensitive eyes my tablet dries my eyes out.Even with the brightness turned all the way down.
Considering that libraries have been a storehouse for knowledge for the whole of human history means you should respect them.
And how is a poor kid going to afford a kindle?Are you going to buy them one?What about the elderly who are not computer literate?

But I do think that most magazines are a waste of paper and ink.



As with physical libraries and horses, the same goes for chivalry, which has only existed since the Middle Ages and only in Europe.



http://books.google.com.lb/books?id=3ZQ ... 651&edge=0

http://books.google.com.lb/books?id=3ZQ ... 409&edge=0


by Antarah ibn Shaddad - 6th century AD, pre-Islamic Arabia

The oldest European chivalry record goes back to 11th century.

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Antarah was born in Najd (northern Saudi Arabia). He was the son of Shaddad, a well-respected member of the Arabian tribe of Banu Abs, his mother was named Zabibah, an Ethiopian woman, whom Shaddad had enslaved after a tribal war. The tribe neglected Antara at first, and he grew up in servitude. Although it was fairly obvious that Shaddad was his father. He was considered one of the "Arab crows" (Al-aghribah Al-'Arab) because of his jet black complexion. Antara gained attention and respect for himself by his remarkable personal qualities and courage in battle, excelling as an accomplished poet and a mighty warrior. He earned his freedom after one tribe invaded Banu Abs, so his father said to Him: "Antara fight with the warriors". Then he looked at his father in resentment and said: "The slave doesn't know how to invade or how to defend, but the slave is only good for milking goats and serving his masters". Then his father said: "Defend your tribe and you are free", then Antarah fought and expelled the invading tribes. The way Antarah responded to his father in Arabian culture does not mean that he was afraid of fighting, rather that when Antarah's father did not acknowledge him for all those years, Antarah was aiming to get his freedom and to be acknowledged by his society, and he earned that.

Antarah fell in love with his cousin Abla, and sought to marry her despite his status as a slave. To secure allowance to marry, Antarah had to face challenges including getting a special kind of camel from the northern Arabian kingdom of al-No'man Ibn al-Munthir Ibn Ma' al-Sama'.

Antarah took part in the great war between the related tribes of Abs and Dhubyan, which began over a contest of horses and was named after them the war of Dahis and Ghabra. He died in a fight against the tribe of Tai.

Antarah's poetry is well preserved, and often talks of chivalrous values, courage and heroism in battle, as well as his love for Abla. It was immortalized when one of his poems was included in the Hanged Poems. The poetry's historical and cultural importance stems from its detailed descriptions of battles, armour, weapons, horses, desert and other themes from his time.

The Russian composer Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov wrote his Symphony No. 2 based on the legend of Antar.

One of the seven clans (tribes) of Bethlehem is called the Anatreh, named after Antarah, and in past centuries acted as guardians of the church of the nativity.


Sorry, Boo; it seems like you are against chivalry to an extent, but for those who are for chivalry, rooting it in ancient Islam does NOT help your case.



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18 Jun 2013, 7:08 am

Ancient Islam?? LOL

Antarah bin Shaddad was pagan! (but yea, his religion might had roots for islam).



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18 Jun 2013, 8:45 am

All the big three religions (christianity, islam, judiesm) and thier multitude of offshoots are rooted in oldschool pagan traditions to a varying degree.



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18 Jun 2013, 10:17 am

I have given this some thought,as I've said before I don't expect anyone to open a door for me etc....But I think it is a thoughtful expression.(when you open doors for the elderly,isn't that just being decent?)If I went out with two men( not at the same time :lol:)and enjoyed both their company,and the only difference was that one opened doors for me.When it comes time to fixing them something to eat,I may put more effort into it for the door opener.It most likely does have to do with my culture.It's just seems like they are going the extra mile to be nice,and I would want to return the courtesy.And when I open doors for men they don't complain,I always get a smile and a thank you.


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18 Jun 2013, 10:31 am

Misslizard wrote:
I have given this some thought,as I've said before I don't expect anyone to open a door for me etc....But I think it is a thoughtful expression.(when you open doors for the elderly,isn't that just being decent?)If I went out with two men( not at the same time :lol:)and enjoyed both their company,and the only difference was that one opened doors for me.When it comes time to fixing them something to eat,I may put more effort into it for the door opener.It most likely does have to do with my culture.It's just seems like they are going the extra mile to be nice,and I would want to return the courtesy.And when I open doors for men they don't complain,I always get a smile and a thank you.


Misslizard, good for you. Chivalry is all about respect and decency, and not always toward the ladies. It blows my mind that anybody could object to such a thing, especially considering the increasingly low levels of civility all around us.

I hope you find somebody who does find you worthy of chivalrous behavior. There are still decent people out there.



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18 Jun 2013, 11:37 am

^^^^Thank you.


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18 Jun 2013, 11:47 am

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I have given this some thought,as I've said before I don't expect anyone to open a door for me etc....But I think it is a thoughtful expression.(when you open doors for the elderly,isn't that just being decent?)If I went out with two men( not at the same time :lol:)and enjoyed both their company,and the only difference was that one opened doors for me.When it comes time to fixing them something to eat,I may put more effort into it for the door opener.It most likely does have to do with my culture.It's just seems like they are going the extra mile to be nice,and I would want to return the courtesy.And when I open doors for men they don't complain,I always get a smile and a thank you.


So you're confirming the sandwich formula.

...

...umm

.........*tummy groans*

How comes I was that idiot??


That's it! I am switching sides!! I am with you now librarian! Sorry meems but you've never showed me your sandwich-making skills.


VIVA CHIVALRY!! ALL MEN SHOULD OPEN DOORS FOR THEIR LADIES.



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18 Jun 2013, 12:04 pm

Thelibrarian wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
I have given this some thought,as I've said before I don't expect anyone to open a door for me etc....But I think it is a thoughtful expression.(when you open doors for the elderly,isn't that just being decent?)If I went out with two men( not at the same time :lol:)and enjoyed both their company,and the only difference was that one opened doors for me.When it comes time to fixing them something to eat,I may put more effort into it for the door opener.It most likely does have to do with my culture.It's just seems like they are going the extra mile to be nice,and I would want to return the courtesy.And when I open doors for men they don't complain,I always get a smile and a thank you.


Misslizard, good for you. Chivalry is all about respect and decency, and not always toward the ladies. It blows my mind that anybody could object to such a thing, especially considering the increasingly low levels of civility all around us.

I hope you find somebody who does find you worthy of chivalrous behavior. There are still decent people out there.


Yes. Decent people who believe discrimination is ok, gender roles should be concrete and treating woman and men differently is fundemental.

........unlike the brianwashed liberals (aka the people who disagree with you) who believe in the golden rule and treating everyone equally. Clearly they are misguided and indecent. :roll:



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18 Jun 2013, 12:21 pm

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What is wrong with a woman opening a door for a man? Or man making a sandwhich for a woman?

I'm a better cook than most of the women I've dated so it's usually me making the food anyway. Hell, I went out a few times with an able bodied woman who expected me to open every door for her (even if she got to the door before me), drive her everywhere (despite having a car), pay for everything (despite having money) and all that other sexist nonsense that the Librarian's chivalry doctrine advocates.......... I dumped her ass in a hot minute.

It's the 21st freaking century, Princess.