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Sweetleaf
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18 Oct 2017, 7:53 am

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18 Oct 2017, 7:54 am

magz wrote:
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I'm so glad people think these are good qualities that matter when they dont.

Well, maybe they don't matter to you.
But if you want to spend your life with someone, it would be good to be able to have a good conversation. And to be able to talk and understand each other. And have some shared interests.


Do you want to know why it doesn't matter? It's because talking is a LEARNED skill. It's something you can TEACH someone if it matters. It's not a make or break quality that makes a nice guy be a sh***y one just because his conversational skills arnt A+. Not only that but attraction and feels for one another built over time easily make what would seem boring conversations turn into fun ones because it's with someone you care about. Hence why it's useless. Women and Men who master conversational skills usually do it to seduce others or sway them kinda like how politicians do. But yes let's ignore the fact the people who practice this and hone it to talk to others usually have an ulterior motive let's make it a standard a guy must have to be attractive. Good priorities in a partner.

I don't know how bitter your expiriences are. Maybe you need some counselling for this?
There are many ways one can learn to appear more attractive to the opposite sex. Makeup, clothing, workout, hairstyle - do you see all these as traps too?
I learned conversation skills to steer out of fights on family gatherings. They are useful outside dating, too. If it made me more attractive - good for me. I'm married and quite counter to your "seduce and sway" theory.


You being married doesn't change anything. And nice personal attack assuming I'm bitter because I'm actually not. I agree there are many ways people can appear attractive to one another, however my problem is with people assuming certain qualities matter as if they are actually a make or break in importance when in fact they are not.
I don't see how conversation skills would steer you out of fights on family gatherings but alright.

Actually I would love an example of how your skills steered a fight to be honest.



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18 Oct 2017, 8:05 am

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My point was that in such an equal society, despite all the political corectness enforced, women still go for money. For me it means, the government politics failed to create the society they would dream of. Only the facade of it.


EXACTLY! that's what I keep saying all the time, culture cannot change biology.

But money is part of the culture :twisted: If you talked to an indigenous Amazonian girl living the traditional, uncontacted jungle lifestyle, she is probably attracted to good hunters and skilled fishers. They may not even know the idea of property, let alone money.
Okay, I agree to the "biology" part this way: a man should be able to provide goods and safety when the woman is pregnant and busy with kids... because it has been working that way for all the survival-driven generations.


f**k. If only I did live in a tribe.

My ancestors are Indigenous Australians and my philosophies on life are more align with their culture than modern society.

Hunting and fishing and building huts/canoes/weapons everyday sounds like paradise.

Humans aren't evolved to deal with The pressures of modern life.

Things like about buying a house, mortgage, etc.have only been around for the past thousand year or two when humans have been around at least 10,000-500,000

Research shows our ancestors "worked" less hours then people do today, and those living a tribal life aren't necessarily unhappier and it may even be the oppoute. Very developed countries like the USA have some of the worlds highest depression rates.

I am physically able and enjoy being in nature.

My only concern being fishing and catching kangaroo/emu/other large animals and helping the other men build huts would be pretty cool. As well as defending our tribe from other tribe of course.

I know there are negatives. I don't care.



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18 Oct 2017, 8:09 am

It's all because of overpopulation.

There's only one way to solve this problem.



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18 Oct 2017, 8:19 am

magz wrote:
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My point was that in such an equal society, despite all the political corectness enforced, women still go for money. For me it means, the government politics failed to create the society they would dream of. Only the facade of it.


EXACTLY! that's what I keep saying all the time, culture cannot change biology.

But money is part of the culture :twisted: If you talked to an indigenous Amazonian girl living the traditional, uncontacted jungle lifestyle, she is probably attracted to good hunters and skilled fishers. They may not even know the idea of property, let alone money.
Okay, I agree to the "biology" part this way: a man should be able to provide goods and safety when the woman is pregnant and busy with kids... because it has been working that way for all the survival-driven generations.


Exactly, my issue is, and please understand that this is not aimed at you magz, because you seem fairly genuine. Alot of women, when they say they want an intelligent man, what they're really attracted to is really the money that intelligence can bring in, it's not the intelligence in itself. So for example a janitor with an IQ of 190 is not attractive. Or like I said, engineers or medical doctors(which is what I aspire to be), suddenly aren't that attractive anymore if they earn similarily to everyone else. And like SilverBoltsisWmax already pointed out, when a woman says she wants someone capable of good conversations, all she means is a guy who's got game, and is a smooth talker. Again nothing to do with intelligence. The guys who are best at that kind of thing are usually about average intelligence, and are naturally good at it.

Point being: For the most part, intelligence is sexy if it makes you alot of money. Otherwise it doesn't f*****g matter.



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18 Oct 2017, 8:26 am

Or equating "confidence" with extraverted charisma, when plenty of quiet men are confident internally as well.

I have quiet confidence. I like.myself (mostly) and believe in myself, in conversations I come across as completely.normal when I do speak and its rare people can tell I have ASD unless the get to know.me.much better.

But people think I'm "shy" because I don't speak when they talk about subjects I merely have no interest in.

Unfortunately this happens a lot even though I try to interject my.own thoughts on a subject or ask question but when I just don't give a damn I can only feign interest out of politeness so far.



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18 Oct 2017, 8:57 am

Intelligence is sexy if you can communicate. Intelligence on its own is boring. Dull conversationalists are not people I enjoy spending time with.

I don't know any smooth talking players so can't imagine what they're like to talk to. Easiest guy to talk to at my work is a gay scientist. He's not talking to me to win me over. He's just easy to talk to. Very engaging and very smart.



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18 Oct 2017, 8:59 am

magz wrote:
But money is part of the culture :twisted: If you talked to an indigenous Amazonian girl living the traditional, uncontacted jungle lifestyle, she is probably attracted to good hunters and skilled fishers. They may not even know the idea of property, let alone money.
Okay, I agree to the "biology" part this way: a man should be able to provide goods and safety when the woman is pregnant and busy with kids... because it has been working that way for all the survival-driven generations.


But that is all part of NT biology, and doesn't need to have anything to do with the biology of NDs. The number one mistake NDs make is to think that they too have an origin in tribal societies, which makes no sense for our adaptations, especially not those in the relationship area.



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18 Oct 2017, 9:03 am

hurtloam wrote:
Intelligence is sexy if you can communicate. Intelligence on its own is boring. Dull conversationalists are not people I enjoy spending time with.

I don't know any smooth talking players so can't imagine what they're like to talk to. Easiest guy to talk to at my work is a gay scientist. He's not talking to me to win me over. He's just easy to talk to. Very engaging and very smart.


Again, then it has nothing to do with intelligence. It's pretty much just good conversational skills being mistaken for intelligence.

I don't buy that intelligence helps a man at all with being more attractive.



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18 Oct 2017, 9:05 am

My least intelligent male friends, are the ones who drown in women.



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18 Oct 2017, 9:09 am

Good for them....the question is: would the women that your buddies are "drowning in" hold my interest?



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18 Oct 2017, 9:12 am

Closet Genious wrote:
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Intelligence is sexy if you can communicate. Intelligence on its own is boring. Dull conversationalists are not people I enjoy spending time with.

I don't know any smooth talking players so can't imagine what they're like to talk to. Easiest guy to talk to at my work is a gay scientist. He's not talking to me to win me over. He's just easy to talk to. Very engaging and very smart.


Again, then it has nothing to do with intelligence. It's pretty much just good conversational skills being mistaken for intelligence.

I don't buy that intelligence helps a man at all with being more attractive.


Did anyone say it does in general? The type of women who use this site like non stupid men, but that doesn't mean society in general does.

We want intelligence and conversation.



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18 Oct 2017, 9:15 am

And that's what I want.

A person's physical looks really only goes SO far.



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18 Oct 2017, 9:17 am

Doesn't matter.

I would like to drown in women for a while... I've always been jealous of men who can get one night stands so extremely easily.

It's a luxury reserved for 10% of all men.



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18 Oct 2017, 9:20 am

I wouldn't want the hassle of having to attend to all these women at the same time.

When people become polygamous, they then begin to understand the hassle of trying to appease and satisfy more than one "partner."

One at a time is enough for me.....



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18 Oct 2017, 9:22 am

I'm talking about one night stands.

I would never want an open relationship.