Why do you think a relationship will make you happy?

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11 Aug 2017, 8:29 am

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Sounds like the beginning of the thought police shunning and excluding any alternative viewpoints against the grain.

To ban PUA and Redpoll is no better than banning Feminist stuff.
This is what I meant when I said WrongPlanet became preachy and conservative. When I first joined this site, it was a safe space from the mainstream society. Today, this site is the mainstream society. Presumably due to WP's growing member base and better awareness of ASD in the world at large. And its views are no different: men are bad, women are good, and trans we're still not sure about. :roll: Also, in the past, this site was very egalitarian; today, the post count is concentrated in the hands of a few.


I've been here about as long as you have, but I've grown tired of the general ASD discussion. Maybe it is because it is the same things coming up all the time, and the same objections are raised against mainstream "knowledge", so it feels like things are not advancing. Participating in political discussions is a total waste of time (unless you have fun doing it), because people never change their minds anyway.

I'm mainly in L&D because I don't think I've figured everything out in that area yet. Also, I've decided to first focus on this area research-wise because it is the area which has the poorest knowledge in society (and among researchers), and also the area where the most profound differences can be found.



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11 Aug 2017, 8:53 am

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Red Pill ideology doesn't seem to have anything to do with love; rather it's treating women as a hive-mind to be manipulated and controlled. It's no wonder some of the women here have utter contempt for men when they've been on the receiving end of such attitudes.

The way I see it, rather than chasing after "women" as a concept we need to take a step back and think about the individuals we're interested in without associating them with preconceived biases.


Asperger's Syndrome exists because there's a strong sense of hive mind among humans.


True. NTs are reasonably intelligent and act in their own best interests in a rational way. When they're by themselves.

When you get them into a group, the groupthink begins. That's why the world's dumbest ideologies come from groups.


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11 Aug 2017, 9:27 am

I don't feel I absolutely NEED a relationship to make me happy. I have seen how that attitude led to a lot of trouble for people. Being in love with the idea of being in love, so to speak, is not healthy. I would like to find someone who shares my beliefs on the big things of life and somebody who accepts me for who I am, while still believing in my capacity to grow. I don't want to be discarded, limited or overprotected because of my differences.



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11 Aug 2017, 9:37 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
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Red Pill ideology doesn't seem to have anything to do with love; rather it's treating women as a hive-mind to be manipulated and controlled. It's no wonder some of the women here have utter contempt for men when they've been on the receiving end of such attitudes.

The way I see it, rather than chasing after "women" as a concept we need to take a step back and think about the individuals we're interested in without associating them with preconceived biases.


Asperger's Syndrome exists because there's a strong sense of hive mind among humans.


True. NTs are reasonably intelligent and act in their own best interests in a rational way. When they're by themselves.

When you get them into a group, the groupthink begins. That's why the world's dumbest ideologies come from groups.


What I mean that most mental conditions in the DSM wouldn't exist if humans were totally groupthink-free.

The reason why a mental variation like AS is determined as "condition" is because it's a deviation from the norm - what's the basis of the norm again? on the humans' groupthink of course.
AS and its ilks and all these psychiatric labels which lack genetic and organic proofs of their existence... are mainly socially constructed.



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11 Aug 2017, 9:38 am

I think what you say could be true in some cases.

However, in many others, there is a true "autistic condition."



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11 Aug 2017, 2:16 pm

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I think that Aspie1 is trying to say that this girl doesn't really fancy Retrogamer.
He doesn't think he's being mean. He thinks he's being factual and helpful. (Im giving him the benefit of the doubt even though I think it's mean).

How do we counteract that? I'm not clever enough. I don't think my, just go for it is good enough. I hope it is. Just enjoy yourself Retrogamer.
Nowhere in my post did I intent to be mean. I was just warning RetroGamer87 that things aren't always what they seem. Namely, that a woman's interest in a beta male is sometimes not genuine. And since most aspie men are beta males, the warning isn't without merit. Especially considering that 80% of all men are betas.

Oh, and I subscribe to the Red Pill forum. It's a very rough-and-tumble place, far, far meaner than this forum will ever get. The information there is very helpful, though.


Hasn't Alex made comments and come out and said that he thinks PUA and red pill stuff is dangerous for aspies (because it is sexist and rapey) and he doesn't want to see it promoted here? I could swear I remember seeing him post something like that.


Sounds like the beginning of the thought police shunning and excluding any alternative viewpoints against the grain.

To ban PUA and Redpoll is no better than banning Feminist stuff.


If you have a problem with it, take it up with Alex.



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11 Aug 2017, 3:35 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:
When you get them into a group, the groupthink begins. That's why the world's dumbest ideologies come from groups.


Like Red Pill forums...



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11 Aug 2017, 3:37 pm

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I don't feel I absolutely NEED a relationship to make me happy. I have seen how that attitude led to a lot of trouble for people. Being in love with the idea of being in love, so to speak, is not healthy. I would like to find someone who shares my beliefs on the big things of life and somebody who accepts me for who I am, while still believing in my capacity to grow. I don't want to be discarded, limited or overprotected because of my differences.



I'm just going to pull this out because it's a good comment. I totally agree. It's a very balanced view recognising how humans are and how we have the capacity to grow.



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12 Aug 2017, 1:18 am

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In my experience, there seems to be a strong anti-male bias among the mods on this site, which is quite ironic, given that autism has often been described as an extreme of the male brain...
I noticed the same thing. But by being biased against men, they're contributing to WrongPlanet's decline, already underway. Because if aspie men feel unwelcome on their own support site---and 4 times more men have Asperger's than women do---mods will cause men to run into the arms of the Red Pill, the very community the owner and management of WP despise. Which results in the complete opposite of the desired goal.



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12 Aug 2017, 2:27 am

But if someone was racist don't you think society should point out that the attitude is not conductive to a happy functioning society?

If an aspie guy is showing attitudes that are going to cause him issues isn't it fair to point out that he s going down the wrong path. Off he's causing disruption to the communication on a forum a d hammering his own point constantly taking things off topic isn't it ok to give him a warning and ban him if he won't cool it?

Red Pill stuff is very aggressive and angry and bitter. It doesn't foster peaceful relations. Why should we as a group pretend that it's beneficial?

I went to visit the red pill forum. It's pretty dark. Made me unfriend someone I know on Facebook because he's into that stuff.

I don't want to associate with someone who thinks so little of 50% of the population.

I don't think you understand how it actually makes people feel. It's a darkness. I know you feel marginalised on here, but your words so make other people feel marginalised. Especially when you take threads that were ticking along nicely like this one off topic to drum your own biases into us.



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12 Aug 2017, 3:32 am

hurtloam wrote:
But if someone was racist don't you think society should point out that the attitude is not conductive to a happy functioning society?

If an aspie guy is showing attitudes that are going to cause him issues isn't it fair to point out that he s going down the wrong path. Off he's causing disruption to the communication on a forum a d hammering his own point constantly taking things off topic isn't it ok to give him a warning and ban him if he won't cool it?

Red Pill stuff is very aggressive and angry and bitter. It doesn't foster peaceful relations. Why should we as a group pretend that it's beneficial?

I went to visit the red pill forum. It's pretty dark. Made me unfriend someone I know on Facebook because he's into that stuff.

I don't want to associate with someone who thinks so little of 50% of the population.

I don't think you understand how it actually makes people feel. It's a darkness. I know you feel marginalised on here, but your words so make other people feel marginalised. Especially when you take threads that were ticking along nicely like this one off topic to drum your own biases into us.



So. I've actually had this argument with people before it's pretty dark/interesting. The truth of the matter and this is coming from someone who actually went through a red pill phase is, I consider redpill to be well, basically opening pandora's box. It shows people that they are actually inside the matrix in a sense and that well things are not as clean as they would like to think. However rather than use the redpill as a way to find a mate or relationship, I believe it's a way to weed out bad candidates. The issue isn't that red pill is mean/or dark towards women moreso it point's out that in this day in age people are mostly blinded by the idea that "game" from men and tactics from women is a natural thing.

I think both are versions of emotional abuse that lead to creating this most dysfunctional relationships you ever thought possible. Sometimes both people stay together but in today's day and age it mostly doesn't happen. I think redpill isn't meant to be angry but the people who discover it are, I think what people should take from it is that stupid people fall into stupid patterns that are abusable, don't use it to involve yourself with stupid people ( and yes it could literally be 70% of the population in there) use it to meet someone who is above it and can think for themselves.

And as a recently confirmed AS I gotta say I love this site.



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12 Aug 2017, 5:37 am

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
Outrider wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
Aspie1 wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
I think that Aspie1 is trying to say that this girl doesn't really fancy Retrogamer.
He doesn't think he's being mean. He thinks he's being factual and helpful. (Im giving him the benefit of the doubt even though I think it's mean).

How do we counteract that? I'm not clever enough. I don't think my, just go for it is good enough. I hope it is. Just enjoy yourself Retrogamer.
Nowhere in my post did I intent to be mean. I was just warning RetroGamer87 that things aren't always what they seem. Namely, that a woman's interest in a beta male is sometimes not genuine. And since most aspie men are beta males, the warning isn't without merit. Especially considering that 80% of all men are betas.

Oh, and I subscribe to the Red Pill forum. It's a very rough-and-tumble place, far, far meaner than this forum will ever get. The information there is very helpful, though.


Hasn't Alex made comments and come out and said that he thinks PUA and red pill stuff is dangerous for aspies (because it is sexist and rapey) and he doesn't want to see it promoted here? I could swear I remember seeing him post something like that.


Sounds like the beginning of the thought police shunning and excluding any alternative viewpoints against the grain.

To ban PUA and Redpoll is no better than banning Feminist stuff.


If you have a problem with it, take it up with Alex.


Better yet, please leave us be and wait until Alex shows up and sees this thread.

I don't think PUA discussion is specifically mentioned in the actual rules. If he has a problem with it he'll tell us.



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12 Aug 2017, 5:41 am

hurtloam wrote:
But if someone was racist don't you think society should point out that the attitude is not conductive to a happy functioning society?

If an aspie guy is showing attitudes that are going to cause him issues isn't it fair to point out that he s going down the wrong path. Off he's causing disruption to the communication on a forum a d hammering his own point constantly taking things off topic isn't it ok to give him a warning and ban him if he won't cool it?

Red Pill stuff is very aggressive and angry and bitter. It doesn't foster peaceful relations. Why should we as a group pretend that it's beneficial?

I went to visit the red pill forum. It's pretty dark. Made me unfriend someone I know on Facebook because he's into that stuff.

I don't want to associate with someone who thinks so little of 50% of the population.

I don't think you understand how it actually makes people feel. It's a darkness. I know you feel marginalised on here, but your words so make other people feel marginalised. Especially when you take threads that were ticking along nicely like this one off topic to drum your own biases into us.


Everything you just said can also equally be applied to extremist Feminists (who are far more accepted here) and the progressive left/"SJWs".



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12 Aug 2017, 5:56 am

Outrider wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
But if someone was racist don't you think society should point out that the attitude is not conductive to a happy functioning society?

If an aspie guy is showing attitudes that are going to cause him issues isn't it fair to point out that he s going down the wrong path. Off he's causing disruption to the communication on a forum a d hammering his own point constantly taking things off topic isn't it ok to give him a warning and ban him if he won't cool it?

Red Pill stuff is very aggressive and angry and bitter. It doesn't foster peaceful relations. Why should we as a group pretend that it's beneficial?

I went to visit the red pill forum. It's pretty dark. Made me unfriend someone I know on Facebook because he's into that stuff.

I don't want to associate with someone who thinks so little of 50% of the population.

I don't think you understand how it actually makes people feel. It's a darkness. I know you feel marginalised on here, but your words so make other people feel marginalised. Especially when you take threads that were ticking along nicely like this one off topic to drum your own biases into us.


Everything you just said can also equally be applied to extremist Feminists (who are far more accepted here) and the progressive left/"SJWs".


They've disappeared in to the ether these days though. Not much of that going on. I remember a while back when there was a feminist derailing all the l&d threads.



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12 Aug 2017, 7:40 am

Ok fellas, agajn....why do you think a relationship will make you happy?



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12 Aug 2017, 7:53 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Ok fellas, agajn....why do you think a relationship will make you happy?


Because the same way getting diamond made me happy in league. It was something I wanted to not stress over ever having to get, something I needed to get out of the way of the checkbook of life. Also, I can't stress enough people who think a relationship won't make them happy normally are sheep or follow a lot of the normal rules of social situations.

When you find a girl that falls in line with what you look for (this list should be small and reasonable people also j/s) it changes your world if you really want that. It's the same thing as good exercise for the body. A non toxic relationship is amazing and makes tons of people happy. It's red pill, or common relationships that are the ones that make you feel like you are in prison.

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Being in a real relationship with a non sheep person will 100% make you happier/happy if you can find someone like that UNLESS you have things in your life that would totally destroy it from the ground up. (Think playing a game but with a sh***y connection that drops over and over versus, you not being THAT great at playing the game)