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15 Jun 2009, 11:38 pm

I have practiced one principle that a few months ago without realising it was written in this book. To acquire the same effect by social skills/ body language would be virtually impossible.



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16 Jun 2009, 12:59 am

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Crap like this, is why this world is so screwed up. People do stuff to benefit themselves, and they don't care about how it affects other people. We need more, caring, genuine, honest, and straight-forward people.


The NTs have so much advantage over us survival in this NT world. I leave it to them to provide their emotional tithe, I aint got nowt to give, I leave it to them to save the world.

I leave you a question. Have you ever wondered why there is such few Afro American/ Caribbean aspies except for me who believes in the “The 48 Laws of Power” and the other black geek in this forum, who behaves like a Jerk. Where are the other black geek, are they married with kids.



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16 Jun 2009, 1:19 am

Good find.



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16 Jun 2009, 2:39 am

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Law 3
Conceal your Intentions
Keep people off-balance and in the dark by never revealing the purpose behind your actions. If they have no clue what you are up to, they cannot prepare a defense. Guide them far enough down the wrong path, envelope them in enough smoke, and by the time they realize your intentions, it will be too late.

I've seen this tactic in action many times. Even if you see their intentions, others may not, or more likely choose to ignore them.

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Law 5
So Much Depends on Reputation – Guard it with your Life

Obviouslly image is everything in the NT world.

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Learn to Keep People Dependent on You
To maintain your independence you must always be needed and wanted. The more you are relied on, the more freedom you have. Make people depend on you for their happiness and prosperity and you have nothing to fear. Never teach them enough so that they can do without you.

No wonder so much help and support is witheld.

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Law 13
When Asking for Help, Appeal to People’s Self-Interest,
Never to their Mercy or Gratitude
If you need to turn to an ally for help, do not bother to remind him of your past assistance and good deeds. He will find a way to ignore you. Instead, uncover something in your request, or in your alliance with him, that will benefit him, and emphasize it out of all proportion. He will respond enthusiastically when he sees something to be gained for himself.

So true.

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Law 14
Pose as a Friend, Work as a Spy
Knowing about your rival is critical. Use spies to gather valuable information that will keep you a step ahead. Better still: Play the spy yourself. In polite social encounters, learn to probe. Ask indirect questions to get people to reveal their weaknesses and intentions. There is no occasion that is not an opportunity for artful spying.
Law 21
Play a Sucker to Catch a Sucker – Seem Dumber than your Mark
No one likes feeling stupider than the next persons. The trick, is to make your victims feel smart – and not just smart, but smarter than you are. Once convinced of this, they will never suspect that you may have ulterior motives.

Never trust anyone - there's always a catch.

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I'm not sure most people play those kinds of games.

They certainly do.

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Those 48 rules of Power sound more like a sociopath's handbook to me.

Its a sociopath's world.

SilverStar wrote:
Crap like this, is why this world is so screwed up. People do stuff to benefit themselves, and they don't care about how it affects other people. We need more, caring, genuine, honest, and straight-forward people.

Unfortunately, the latter are vastly outnumbered by the selfish, manipulative majority, and always will be.

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Do I have to point out that most aspies by nature are more sociopath then aspies.

Eh? That didn't make sense. There must be a typo there. Are you saying that aspies are more sociopathic than NTs or vice versa?



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16 Jun 2009, 3:08 am

Funny, it made me think of Niccolo Machiavelli's "The Prince" instantly, and that's how Wiki starts:

"The 48 Laws of Power is a 1998 book by Robert Greene. The book shares thematic elements with Niccolò Machiavelli's The Prince[1] and has been compared to Sun-Tzu's classic treatise The Art of War."

I've read chunks of The Prince, lots of things in there still apply to business life nowadays I feel. This book sounds interesting, and over here, I can get it for only 20 euros (ha). I might just buy the concise for only 10, as I'm a lazy reader.



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16 Jun 2009, 7:38 am

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Aspie_Chav wrote:
Do I have to point out that most aspies by nature are more sociopath then aspies.

Eh? That didn't make sense. There must be a typo there. Are you saying that aspies are more sociopathic than NTs or vice versa?


NTs are more sociapathic then aspies



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16 Jun 2009, 10:02 am

Daniella wrote:
Funny, it made me think of Niccolo Machiavelli's "The Prince" instantly, and that's how Wiki starts:

"The 48 Laws of Power is a 1998 book by Robert Greene. The book shares thematic elements with Niccolò Machiavelli's The Prince[1] and has been compared to Sun-Tzu's classic treatise The Art of War."

I've read chunks of The Prince, lots of things in there still apply to business life nowadays I feel. This book sounds interesting, and over here, I can get it for only 20 euros (ha). I might just buy the concise for only 10, as I'm a lazy reader.


No, don't go concise, too much good reading there to cut short.



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16 Jun 2009, 10:17 am

I do like this thread, nice one guys. I'm ordering a few of these types of books so will add any good ones I find. Have any of you looked into NLP? I haven't been able to muster the concentration required to get properly into it but I believe it deserves a place as step 4 on BillSmithsinglendale's above list, it's really quite amazing. The only problem is the best books on it (Bandler and Grinder) are out of print and I find e-books difficult to read. Here's a link to one of their books but realise these books are transcripts of group teaching sessioins so read them as if you were there, let the words flow over your consiousness don't go back and reread bits etc. You wont even notice you're being hypnotized.



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16 Jun 2009, 10:55 am

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I do like this thread, nice one guys. I'm ordering a few of these types of books so will add any good ones I find. Have any of you looked into NLP? I haven't been able to muster the concentration required to get properly into it but I believe it deserves a place as step 4 on BillSmithsinglendale's above list, it's really quite amazing. The only problem is the best books on it (Bandler and Grinder) are out of print and I find e-books difficult to read. Here's a link to one of their books but realise these books are transcripts of group teaching sessioins so read them as if you were there, let the words flow over your consiousness don't go back and reread bits etc. You wont even notice you're being hypnotized.


Actually, Anthony Robbin's early stuff (and maybe his stuff now) is essentially NLP, repackaged for the masses with some of his own changes in there. I would agree that NLP would be a good fit for Aspies -- It certainly pulled me out of my slump in high school and turned me into a good student almost instantly.

Be sure to pick up Greene's other two books, "The Art of Seduction" and "The 33 Strategies of War." Both are at least as good as "48 Laws" -- actually, I think "The Art of Seduction" explained more that was relevant here than pretty much everything else. Be sure to pick up "The Game" as well to get an alternate POV on everything, and a long term view about what is really important.



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16 Jun 2009, 11:59 pm

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SilverStar wrote:
Crap like this, is why this world is so screwed up. People do stuff to benefit themselves, and they don't care about how it affects other people. We need more, caring, genuine, honest, and straight-forward people.


The NTs have so much advantage over us survival in this NT world. I leave it to them to provide their emotional tithe, I aint got nowt to give, I leave it to them to save the world.

I leave you a question. Have you ever wondered why there is such few Afro American/ Caribbean aspies except for me who believes in the “The 48 Laws of Power” and the other black geek in this forum, who behaves like a Jerk. Where are the other black geek, are they married with kids.


There are probably a few (maybe undiagnosed) out there somewhere, but Asperger's isn't very common, and African-Americans are a minority, so this is probably the reason for the low numbers.



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17 Jun 2009, 1:36 am

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There are probably a few (maybe undiagnosed) out there somewhere, but Asperger's isn't very common, and African-Americans are a minority, so this is probably the reason for the low numbers.


No,
I have always kept an eye out for any black people with any aspie traits. I don't remember seeing any. I talking with those who I am not sure,but they generally have the average NT non logical beliefs.



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17 Jun 2009, 1:59 am

Anything, taken to extremes, can be worthless or comic... but taken in short form:

Aspie_Chav wrote:
Law 3
Conceal your Intentions


Something observable in animals; giving away signs of future action negates advantage for either predator or prey. To preserve a sense of mystery is to create safety. Too much or too little can have very different outcomes.

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Law 4
Always Say Less than Necessary


In moderation, this leaves room for others to ask questions. It places a certain demand of interest on the other person, and can be used as a measuring stick or thermometer of their curiosity or intrigue.

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Law 5
So Much Depends on Reputation – Guard it with your Life


This is somewhat true if baffling to me, as what defines a reputation is as arbitrary as those to possess knowledge of it.

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Law 7
Get others to do the Work for you, but Always Take the Credit


If one wishes to be seen (not be) as a leader, then this is probably an apt statement. Being given credit does much for Law 5, too.

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Law 11
Learn to Keep People Dependent on You


Another power/manipulation form; too much and one is a tyrant... too little, and one is alone and unneeded.

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Law 13
When Asking for Help, Appeal to People’s Self-Interest,
Never to their Mercy or Gratitude


People are inherently selfish; when mercy and gratitude are in their own self-interest, then it is the card to play. A gross assessment here, in my opinion.

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Law 14
Pose as a Friend, Work as a Spy


Less threatening form - be benign and observe carefully. Makes sense to me.

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Law 21
Play a Sucker to Catch a Sucker – Seem Dumber than your Mark


Don't disturb the fish works better for me - if you rile the water, then no fish will bite regardless of how good the bait is.


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17 Jun 2009, 9:57 am

Aspie_Chav wrote:
SilverStar wrote:
There are probably a few (maybe undiagnosed) out there somewhere, but Asperger's isn't very common, and African-Americans are a minority, so this is probably the reason for the low numbers.


No,
I have always kept an eye out for any black people with any aspie traits. I don't remember seeing any. I talking with those who I am not sure,but they generally have the average NT non logical beliefs.


Hi Aspie_Chav,

Maybe the sample size is too small in Croydon? I don't know anything about that area, so hard to get a read on it.

Even here in gang-banger L.A., where it could actually be hazardous to your health to be a black nerd, I've run into quite a few black or latino nerds/aspies.



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17 Jun 2009, 3:26 pm

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better pic for OP :wink:

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but yeah. For this thread, the 48 laws of seductions are more appropriate.



Perfect example of Machiavelli-like behavior!
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Hmmmn wrote:
I'm ordering a few of these types of books so will add any good ones I find.


So the first one I ordered was called Games People Play by Eric Berne MD if you've ever wondered how you're supposed to do small talk when you don't even know what the f**k it is or what it's for then this book is for you. I'm only a 3rd into it but it's already taught me more about small talk than the last 30 years of trying to do it has. It's not easy to read but it is fairly straight forward and logical but maybe a little technical for some. It's made me look at small talk in a whole different way already.