Signs of the "not potential partner"-zone.

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28 Oct 2009, 6:01 pm

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Those studies are using NTs as their subject matter, obviously. Therefore, they don't interest me. If you ASD males are looking for relationships with NT women...well, good luck with that, then. :roll: :lol:


oh damn , I was that blind? Let's nuke all those manipulative NTs *spits* and start as new Adam and Eve or Eve and Adam , you and me. We will certainly have two-headed children that eat s**t...



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28 Oct 2009, 6:17 pm

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oh damn , I was that blind? Let's nuke all those manipulative NTs *spits* and start as new Adam and Eve or Eve and Adam , you and me. We will certainly have two-headed children that eat sh**...


I never said anything about nuking any NTs. I just think that you're barking up the incorrectly-wired tree if you're hoping for a successful/easy relationship anytime soon. Most of the ASD guys here lament their inability to "score" with women. Well, the majority of women are NT, so what do you lot expect? Though it depresses me greatly, and I hold out a tiny hope that things could be different, I really don't expect that attractive NT men want anything to do with me. :( I'm always hoping that I'll run into some quiet, unassuming, nrrrrdy skinny cute guy who's ASD, or at least a non-typical NT. I guess that's too much to hope for, though.

I don't want any kids, man. Sorry.


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28 Oct 2009, 7:41 pm

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Here are the signs I noticed of the "not potential partner"-zone or what most guys like to call it here the "friends" zone:

1- When she talks to you about her pms/period : Girls usually don't talk about such "private" things in front the guys they like.

2- When she talks about other guys' attractive qualities or when she makes obvious reactions toward some attractive qualities in other guys.

3- When you and her don't make a physically typical couple (some typical models: The guy is taller than the girl , guy's shoulders wider than the girl's, well-fit guy and well-fit girl, fat guy and fat girl, ...etc) : if you are shorter or thinner than the girl , or way fatter than the girl , or too uglier than the girl then you are less likely to be a potential partner and she's more likely to throw you into the "zone".

4- When she brings her female friends to your place or any other place you hang out with.

5- If you are younger or the same age of her : not a sign, but you are more likely to fall in the zone in that case.

6- If you are of another religion/faith/belief : it's true where I live at least.

7- If she's popular: they get fans all the time , so the zoning way is an effective filtering strategy.

8- You are poorer than her :obvious evolutionary reason.

9- When she talks/phones/chats to you only when she needs a favor: A small advice in that case, RUN!




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10) When she has tons of friends and a social life and you have 0


These sum it up pretty good.
But arent 100% facts, but most of the time, still true.

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"I like you but i just want to be friends" :roll: Kiss of death. Or "I'm not ready for a relationship right now, I have some issues to work out." Then a week later she introduces you to her new boyfriend. All of a sudden the issues she has goes away because she meets someone she likes. Have to love the honesty there.


Urgh, the kiss of death *sigh*
Thats the killer blow : /
Is it even possible to get out of that one when you've first gotten that one?
Maybe not see the person for a long time and have changed?

But yeah, the "like you as a friend" is the worst.
The other one --> no honesty and simply a damn lier (if it happens to you)

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IDK, I got with someone 4 years older than me and she's definately fatter than me, then there was a different older person who was uglier than me, then a richer person who was still uglier than me. The popularity one is true though, it doesn't matter what you have going on, if you aren't popular she isn't gonna sleep with you.


Uh, what prince said shouldnt be taken as 100% fact, but more like how it most of the time, or atleast often is.
Example --> The guy who was the world fatest guy is married or whatever.



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30 Oct 2009, 12:32 am

LePetitPrince wrote:
Here are the signs I noticed of the "not potential partner"-zone or what most guys like to call it here the "friends" zone:

1- When she talks to you about her pms/period : Girls usually don't talk about such "private" things in front the guys they like.

2- When she talks about other guys' attractive qualities or when she makes obvious reactions toward some attractive qualities in other guys.

3- When you and her don't make a physically typical couple (some typical models: The guy is taller than the girl , guy's shoulders wider than the girl's, well-fit guy and well-fit girl, fat guy and fat girl, ...etc) : if you are shorter or thinner than the girl , or way fatter than the girl , or too uglier than the girl then you are less likely to be a potential partner and she's more likely to throw you into the "zone".

4- When she brings her female friends to your place or any other place you hang out with.

5- If you are younger or the same age of her : not a sign, but you are more likely to fall in the zone in that case.

6- If you are of another religion/faith/belief : it's true where I live at least.

7- If she's popular: they get fans all the time , so the zoning way is an effective filtering strategy.

8- You are poorer than her :obvious evolutionary reason.

9- When she talks/phones/chats to you only when she needs a favor: A small advice in that case, RUN!





1. I agree with. When a girl like's you, she will usually be very self conscious around you, and will try to impress you and hide things she think's will turn you off. So, if a girl comes over and uses the restroom, and smells up the place, she's probably not interested in being more than friends with you. :D

2. This could go either way. She might be testing you to see what your reaction is.

3. I would say that people get along better with other physically similar people, but this isn't always the case.

4. This can go either way.

5. Age doesn't matter.

6. I don't know about this one.

7. Don't know about this one either.

8. This is possible, although money doesn't matter to everyone.

9. I wouldn't even call this girl a friend. :wink:



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30 Oct 2009, 3:38 am

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Or "I'm not ready for a relationship right now, I have some issues to work out." Then a week later she introduces you to her new boyfriend. All of a sudden the issues she has goes away because she meets someone she likes. Have to love the honesty there.


no honesty and simply a damn lier (if it happens to you)


Sheesh guys, she's not lying. She told you the truth. She wasn't ready for whatever she understood a relationship to be. Then she met someone who offered her something in a relationship she didn't know was possible, and the new information changed whether or not she was willing to try.

Guys, try to grasp that men are not fungible. You can't rank them and declare those of the same rank to be functionally equivalent and expect any woman to treat them that way.



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30 Oct 2009, 7:32 am

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Or "I'm not ready for a relationship right now, I have some issues to work out." Then a week later she introduces you to her new boyfriend. All of a sudden the issues she has goes away because she meets someone she likes. Have to love the honesty there.


no honesty and simply a damn lier (if it happens to you)


Sheesh guys, she's not lying. She told you the truth. She wasn't ready for whatever she understood a relationship to be. Then she met someone who offered her something in a relationship she didn't know was possible, and the new information changed whether or not she was willing to try.

Guys, try to grasp that men are not fungible. You can't rank them and declare those of the same rank to be functionally equivalent and expect any woman to treat them that way.


I wonder if you know what you are even talking about. Maybe you just have a different concept of "i'm not ready for a relationship right now"
Usualy it means they are NOT ready for relationships, and being ready for one cant just happen so fast like that.
So simply, she was lying, or she is a damn unstable person



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30 Oct 2009, 10:40 am

ROFL. People are a lot more varied and flexible than you seem to grasp.

Yeah, yeah, I know, this leads to, "Well why wasn't the b***h willing to be flexible for me then?" Because men are not fungible. You're clearly not getting that.



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30 Oct 2009, 3:48 pm

Fungible I never heard of this word before what does it mean?

To me if someone says " I am not ready for a relationship." Means "I am not ready for a relationship, with anyone."

If the person feels that me and them are not compatable that way, then say "I don't think we would be good for each other." Or something like that. Don't say you are not ready for a relationship then the next guy you meet you jump into a relationship. To me thats lieing and being misleading. They did not state what the felt and was dishonest.



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30 Oct 2009, 3:51 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fungibility

Fungibility is the property of a good or a commodity whose individual units are capable of mutual substitution. Examples of highly fungible commodities are crude oil, wheat, orange juice, precious metals, and currencies.

Fungibility has nothing to do with the ability to exchange one commodity for another different commodity. It refers only to the equivalence of each unit of a commodity with other units of the same commodity.


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30 Oct 2009, 5:34 pm

hartzofspace wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fungibility

Fungibility is the property of a good or a commodity whose individual units are capable of mutual substitution. Examples of highly fungible commodities are crude oil, wheat, orange juice, precious metals, and currencies.

Fungibility has nothing to do with the ability to exchange one commodity for another different commodity. It refers only to the equivalence of each unit of a commodity with other units of the same commodity.


I have to ask, what does that have to do with relationships?



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30 Oct 2009, 6:21 pm

It has to do with relationships in the manner I mentioned above in the example given. Most often when people are angry in any way about not being able to find a romantic partner, they are making the mistake of thinking other people are far more alike, and far closer to interchangeable, than it is possible for people to be.

If someone says they're not ready for a relationship right now, that means that every sort of relationship they believe to be possible is something they realize they are not ready for right now. It's an honest statement of the truth about themselves.

But people find out all the time that there's more variation to people and to relationships than they ever would have dreamed. Finding new information -- that someone can offer you a relationship you didn't know was possible -- changes the truth about you. It's no longer the same as last week. Now you consider the new type of relationship, and decide you might be ready for that.

The statement that a person who changes their mind in this manner MUST have been lying implies that it's not possible to find out that "relationship" can mean something other than what you believed before, and that it's not possible to meet someone different in a critical way from anyone you thought was out there. It presumes a sameness and interchangeability in people that just does not exist.



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30 Oct 2009, 7:09 pm

So she meets a guy that totally changes her state of mind in a week? This is after I was trying for months and this new guy comes along and she decides to jump into bed with him and not me? All of a sudden her so called issues go away when she meets this other guy.

This has happened to me more times then I can count. I was mislead and lied to, no sugar coating it.



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30 Oct 2009, 10:10 pm

Ahhhh, I see. I apologize. Yes, if this has happened to you many times, you were probably being lied to for most if not all of them. I'm sorry I misunderstood.

I can tell you why, if you're interested. It's not because they were meanies picking on you, or messed up, or anything of the sort. It's because you scared them. They said whatever they thought had the best chance of getting you to back off and not go all stalker-creepy-raging-hothead on them.

Nobody owes you the truth if they think you might hurt them or stalk them. Nobody owes you the truth about why they don't want to date you, ever. The only thing you need to know was that the answer is "no".



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31 Oct 2009, 5:00 am

Then say "no, i'm not interested." That is alot better then being misleading or saying "I just want to be friends" to let you down easy. I was told by some women that they just want to be friends, when they really meant they wanted nothing to do with me. Then when I want to stay friends with them, they get upset when I contact them. I thought friends want to hang out and all that. Mean what you say and say what you mean. I am sick and tired of people being misleading and dishonest.

I have had a few women just tell me flat out they are not interested. I have alot more respect for them then all the others that was misleading and dishonest.

I am not asking for the reason on why they are not interested in me. All I am asking is that they just say "no, not interested." Don't say you have "issues" when you don't, don't tell someone you want to be "just friends" when you want nothing to do with them. Just tell the person no and be done with it. Anything else is dishonest.



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31 Oct 2009, 8:34 am

Anything else is dishonest, yes. But your expectations are unreasonable in the light of what these women are facing. They have to endlessly guess what response will least likely respond in violence or stalking or both. They are doing the best they can to survive. Their safety is more important than being honest with you.



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31 Oct 2009, 9:01 am

I'm honest with everyone. If I feel people are not honest with me, I feel very slighted and disrespected. If I catch someone in a lie I am more upset about being lied then whatever reason you thought it was was to justify the lie.

I don't feel that is too much to ask for. There is never a good reason to lie to anyone. In fact I think in a relationship situation, it makes it worse when you lie. When you tell someone you just want to be friends, it usally mean you still like to hang out, do stuff together, but not be romanitc. But I have found that alot of women say they want to be friends but the really mean they don't want anything to do with you. Then those same women get upset when after they said they want to be friends, you still talk to them and all that. But if they just said "no, I don't want a relationship with you, please leave me alone" Then I would leave them alone. Like I said before I have alot more respect for women that are honest then the ones that lie and send mixed messages like that. They are the ones thinking by not saying it directly we will get the message. But all women do when they are not honest is make it worse, IMO.