you do not have to change who you are in order to get girls
I agree with some things the OP says, but disagree on some others. We are probably in agreement on the following:
--If you want to meet someone, whether as a friend or romantically, it helps to be both mentally and physically healthy. Having good hygiene, not being out shape and not being emotionally draining or needy helps.
--It also helps if you aren't too unfashionable.
Here is where I think the OP would disagree with me:
--Most people on the spectrum cannot blend in or hide that they are different.
--People on the spectrum have trouble reading the social cues of others. Personally, if a woman wants me to pick up a signal she better send it by wacking me across the head with a 2x4.
--If people on the spectrum could regularly socially navigate a party and connect with someone of the opposite sex, then they could probably figure out how to navigate other social interactions as well. When you consider that Asperger's requires "clinically significant impairments" in social interaction, it leaves me wondering if we have the same understanding of what is means to be on the spectrum.
Here is how it worked for me in my younger days:
--Most parties: I would go to a party, walk around awkwardly for about 20 minutes and then sneak out.
--Some parties: I would go to a party, find a comfortable place where I could stand and not feel like a complete loser. I would leave in about 20 minutes unless ... a girl approached me and asked me to dance. If she caught me by surprise then I would stand there silently while trying to process what was happening, usually with poor results. If I was prepared, then I would dance (horribly). If she was a normal person, then things would fizzle out from there and I would sneak out. If she was somewhat needy and the type who could talk for 20 minutes straight without taking a breath then "we" would have a nice conversation and appear to connect. From there, any awkardness on my part is blamed on the alcohol and miscommunication is blamed on the loud music. Taking this type of encounter and transitioning to a relationship was a whole other mountain to climb (or cliff to fall from).
i dont know if it does,lol, perhaps Sound can elaborate. Personally I found it added up to lots of dancing and talking....
Also you should rethink yor desire to go out with a woman and touch her straight away. you will probably get a kick in the balls. women are different from men, often talking is the turnon. She will also need time to be physically comfortable with you. nothing worse than strangers touching you, ie introduction handshakes at the office

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Taking a break.
i dont know if it does,lol, perhaps Sound can elaborate. Personally I found it added up to lots of dancing and talking....
Also you should rethink yor desire to go out with a woman and touch her straight away. you will probably get a kick in the balls. women are different from men, often talking is the turnon. She will also need time to be physically comfortable with you. nothing worse than strangers touching you, ie introduction handshakes at the office

I don't actually go out and touch women.

If people who talk tough on the internet but are pansies in real life can be called 'armchair warriors' then you could call me an 'armchair lover'.
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All of you guys that are in decent shape (what I mean is slim, but if you're actually lean and muscular, all the power to you) could be almost definitely total players with women. I have piss poor social skills when interacting with large groups of people, but I am now pulling women out from my NT friends' grasp (not necessarily stealing them, but unintentionally attracting girls they wanted to hook up with but were too slow to act on) within a half hour of meeting them at social gatherings and making out with them in the same span of time. The two times this has happened, I bedded the girls the next time I met them.
Around this time last year, I was nearly suicdal because some girl rejected me after a first date. The reasons she did this are now startling obvious: I did not make direct eye contact with her, I held my body rigidly and awkwardly, walked with my hands in my pockets, talked about how I had no friends, and never touched her. She gave me three other dates, and guess what, I f**** them all up because I never did any of the aforementioned things. By the last one, I had finally started touching her. It was such an awkward jump for her to make from this friend guy to lover that she jokingly said something like, "you're like the rest of those guys, such a jerk" and refused to meet me again (obviously through polite doubletalk, not something blatant).
Well, last weekend was a testament to how literally everything about how I interact with girls has changed. I've now got something like an entire house full of super attractive girls that thinks I'm attractive for reasons unknown. I made out with a model yesterday (part of the aforementioned household), got her cute nerdy friend's number 20 minutes later in front of some girl that took my number a few weeks ago and some bisexual girl I got with the day before. The night I got physical with the bisexual, I met some gorgeous girl that's a linguistics grad student while leaving her alone for a bit at the party, but my phone didn't save her number and I don't remember her name, so that's not gonna be happening

What I say is never anything flashy. This doesn't necessarily mean I'm not a huge nerd anymore, because I still am. I still have that underlying "differentness" that all people with an ASD have. I still don't get sarcasm or teasing. I don't get male-male eye contact because you shouldn't just lingeringly and directly look them in the eyes at all times because it looks like you're hostile to them (it's bizarre how girls interpret that same eye contact as romantic, which I have no problem doing within the first 5 seconds of meeting). I'm still kind of clumsy.
Anyways, guys, I see a lot of posts about being depressed about some woman (or lack thereof) in your life on here. Even if you got her, you'd still feel depressed for whatever reason. If someone told me I'd be having sex with gorgeous bisexual girls around this time last year (I pulled off two, what the f**k is going on), I wouldn't believe them and I'd think it'd improve the quality of my life big time if I did. Unfortunately, it doesn't. I still hate some important aspects of my life, my financial situation, and a lot of things about myself. I'm just not ashamed of showing my attraction to a girl that's interested now. I actually dislike the way I've become such a manwhore. I would much rather have a girlfriend that loves my nerdy side and can have some deep conversations with me. I have a candidate, but I have a hard time thinking she'd wanna be in a relationship with a guy with a legit sh***y life like me.
So one of the main things I think has kept me flying under the radar with all these girls and not being thought of as a player is that sort of innocent, boyish charm asperger's gives you. No matter what kind of sleazy sh** you do, girls will never suspect you're the kind of guy that sleeps around since innocent, even a bit awkward guys generally don't do this. Everything you do comes off as sincere even though she may have been the 20th girl you said whatever to. I sincerely do not recommend turning into a player, though. I think I ruined a great situation by just trying to impress myself by making out with that model who lives with the neuroscience girl where I think there is more than just physical attraction on both parts. There's nothing that will come out of hanging out with the model except probably good sex, but I've probably blown myself out of hanging out with both of them now since girls talk. So now, even though I have the innocent sort of thing going for me, they have proof that I'm not. I think all I can do now is play it off as being high at the time while making out with the model.
Anyways, treat girls how they treat guys, guys. You are evaluating them, and for god's sake do not get into pickup theory (mystery et al). You realize it's all total charlatan garbage. I've seen good looking, muscular guys scare women away by saying these BS playery routines and lines. The only thing it provided me was an impetus to approach random girls and from there is where I learned to see what the difference between an interested girl and disinterested girl looks like. After about 3 months of that, things are going to click, even if you've got asperger's. Provided that you're confident with direct eye contact, have a friendly but dominant tone of voice, dress well, are relaxed, smile a little bit, and hold yourself straight, you'll see that you can do almost anything around them and still not lose their interest. I sh** you not. I am doing all of that and I'm now outperforming neurotypical player friends that have hooked up with like 50 women, often stealing the girl's interest unintentionally right out from under them because I'm talking to them like a normal, albeit definitely nerdy, guy just being friendly and touching them.
I will definitely need to re-read this again. This is fantastic advice!
i dont know if it does,lol, perhaps Sound can elaborate. Personally I found it added up to lots of dancing and talking....
Also you should rethink yor desire to go out with a woman and touch her straight away. you will probably get a kick in the balls. women are different from men, often talking is the turnon. She will also need time to be physically comfortable with you. nothing worse than strangers touching you, ie introduction handshakes at the office

I don't actually go out and touch women.

If people who talk tough on the internet but are pansies in real life can be called 'armchair warriors' then you could call me an 'armchair lover'.
First, zen_mistress has it right; Lots of dancing and talking. Not necessarily sex. Not by a long-shot. Even gacked out on Ecstasy, most the women were fairly standard in their requirements before things got intimate. The idea that clubs an raves are sex sex sex flying everywhere is just wrong.
As for touching women, I mean it in an acceptable manner that escalates according to a progression of how comfortable the person is with you. Meaning you don't first meet and then try to put your arms around her. I have some lengthy posts on this subject. The main idea is that if you never touch, then it's quite difficult to go in an intimate direction, and will often get stuck in platonic land. Most introverts are very reluctant to be physically free and touch casually.
DavidM, regarding the 'armchair lover' bit, I'll make no bones about it: My knowledge exceeds my skill. I can get a date without excessive difficulty, but beyond that I'm not too good. I think of it as the difference between a sports-caster, and the athlete on the field. I can call whats going on pretty accurately, and understand it where a casual observer might not. But put me in the field, and I'm mediocre at best.

I can put a lot of these ideas into effective action, but I'm simply not too fluid. I am, after all, still slow on the uptake in complex social situations.
...Orders of magnitude better than where I was 8 years ago, though....

i dont know if it does,lol, perhaps Sound can elaborate. Personally I found it added up to lots of dancing and talking....
Also you should rethink yor desire to go out with a woman and touch her straight away. you will probably get a kick in the balls. women are different from men, often talking is the turnon. She will also need time to be physically comfortable with you. nothing worse than strangers touching you, ie introduction handshakes at the office

I don't actually go out and touch women.

If people who talk tough on the internet but are pansies in real life can be called 'armchair warriors' then you could call me an 'armchair lover'.
Oh well, maybe one day you will meet an untalkative woman with "sex on the brain" and it will be a match made in heaven

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Taking a break.
Yeah I wondered if i had missed somethng, mind you I havent been to many raves, I just sort of dabbled in the scene. fascinating though. I would have loved to get futher into it (especially the E) but i knew it wasnt a good idea for me given my history.
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"Caravan is the name of my history, and my life an extraordinary adventure."
~ Amin Maalouf
Taking a break.
As for touching women, I mean it in an acceptable manner that escalates according to a progression of how comfortable the person is with you. Meaning you don't first meet and then try to put your arms around her. I have some lengthy posts on this subject. The main idea is that if you never touch, then it's quite difficult to go in an intimate direction, and will often get stuck in platonic land. Most introverts are very reluctant to be physically free and touch casually.
This is important - I think a lot of posters misunderstood what was meant by "touching". I believe the OP did not mean outright sexual fondling, but rather touching hands, putting a hand on a shoulder, brushing a lock of her hair back, etc., and again at the right time, or in consonance with how things are unfolding.
I'm with Sound, I'm better at analysis than performance.
i dont know if it does,lol, perhaps Sound can elaborate. Personally I found it added up to lots of dancing and talking....
Also you should rethink yor desire to go out with a woman and touch her straight away. you will probably get a kick in the balls. women are different from men, often talking is the turnon. She will also need time to be physically comfortable with you. nothing worse than strangers touching you, ie introduction handshakes at the office

I don't actually go out and touch women.

If people who talk tough on the internet but are pansies in real life can be called 'armchair warriors' then you could call me an 'armchair lover'.
Oh well, maybe one day you will meet an untalkative woman with "sex on the brain" and it will be a match made in heaven

I think a lot of us hope we do. Though I actually do like talking sometimes.
I am beautiful but at the same time dirty and degenerate.
I am nearly gay except for the fact that I'm not attracted to men and fantasize intensely about women.
A girl wants me to speak a thousand words in her ear and buy her dinner in a nice place. This I can do, I have no problem with it. But if I must perform these rituals BEFORE she will let me hold her, or even just cuddle her for a bit, then sorry, no can do ... I am starving for your warmth and your love, and every minute that you hold it back from me I become more and more distant, and our dating sessions became all the more futile.
If you would but let me touch you gently first, then so much negative energy would be released, and then we could go to nice places to eat, watch movies together.
But no; I doubt you will ever have it that way, my dear lady, but I blame you not; sexual repression and morality are imposed upon our minds as children by those who hold the power over us.
Truly, the repression of love and affection in the early years of school makes a cold monster out of so many of us.
It's not so much sexual repression and morality, I think, as much it is a matter of trust.
Men have a dubious reputation in the world of women; lots of men are prone to flipping out and becoming abusive, which coupled with physical strength; heck, you can't blame ladies for not trusting men at the initial meeting.
If trust were a timeline leading to a point of intimacy, then talking comes before touching. Your dinner with her is the opportunity to demonstrate that you're not a threat. Her warmth and her love in its most full form will come from her knowing who you are, which takes time.
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