01001011 wrote:
Am I the only one in WP who is truly incapable of L&D just because of who I am?
lol
Look, I've read a lot of your PPR posts. You seem like someone who really values knowledge and rationality. TBH, I think one of the issues you face is a misplaced (or overblown) priority on either rationality or what you think rationality is supposed to be. Your problem PROBABLY stems from a lack of maturity, something you'll gain with time and practice. I've managed to quickly form my own responses to challenges, and I think I hold my own pretty good. But it took some time and practice to figure it out.
In your dedication to rationality, I think maybe you've overlooked the fact that a lot of things in life, especially when there are unthinking PEOPLE involved, are irrational. You can't boil L&D to a science, much less an exact one.
This may sound really silly, but I discovered an "in" to L&D when I was really young. My mom was a subscriber to Redbook magazine and had any number of trashy romance novels laying around. I used to worry that somehow my fascination with these magazines and these books was emasculating, that they made me some kind of "sissy." But I learned a few valuable lessons.
#1: Women and men aren't really that much different. Consider the kinds of things you'd enjoy for a partner to do with you, and then take the initiative in giving your partner those kinds of things.
I'm a country-boy type, so my childhood was spent seeing the kinds of things I learned about in school in action. Bugs, though I have somewhat an aversion to many of them, are something I find fascinating. So once I took a gf on a walk out by a pond. At one point, I called her attention to a puddle of mud close to the pond levee where a wasp was picking up a tiny mud ball to build her nest. My gf had never seen that before and thought it was the coolest thing she'd ever seen, which in turn charmed her in my favor (oh yeah, we're married now).
#2: A person of the opposite sex will likely REALLY get turned on by things you probably don't like. Learn to deal.
I'm a hypersensitive kind of guy and REALLY don't like someone else touching me much. However, trashy romance novels and women's magazines are written with women's issues and fantasies in mind--they don't sell if they don't. By playing on (or preying on) these fantasies, I found I could pretty much anticipate what a girl wanted without asking. Women will also want to take the initiative to be physical and may get the wrong message if you push them away. Some things, and I'm not JUST talking about the physical part of the relationship, you'll have to get over or get used to.
I'd say this: Check out Redbook or Cosmo or something like that, find out what women are into and go to the source. Think of it as a kind of dissertation or technical paper for L&D. Don't get stuck overgeneralizing based on magazines and romance novels, but rather consider them "general guidelines." You might be amazed what you learn. The next step is to put these kinds of things into practice, and eventually you'll come to fruition in maturely handling dating.