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22 Mar 2011, 5:10 pm

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Oh, you stupid girl... You are a disgrace to the female gender.


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22 Mar 2011, 5:13 pm

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OK, then...

I expect the same standard of conduct applied to her when she flies off the handle for me defending that article.



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22 Mar 2011, 5:21 pm

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OK, then...

I expect the same standard of conduct applied to her when she flies off the handle for me defending that article.


If she "flies off the handle" it will.


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22 Mar 2011, 6:12 pm

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This guy is such a misogynist and bigot it is not even remotely funny. Why such a misogynistic person would write under a singularity and futurist title is also disgusting, since NEITHER of those movements espouse such values. He gives himself a very bad name and decreases his own credibility by being such a misogynist. The guy is a bigot pure and simple. This is purely a misogynistic screed.

Seriously I am have an obsession with the singularity right now, but this guy has absolutely no credibility on it. I will stick to Kurzweil AI, Kurzweil is far from a misogynistic nutjob.


Agreed, great post!


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22 Mar 2011, 6:13 pm

That whole blog is a bunch of BS. Lots of propaganda. Looking through the entries it's just "Pick something we right wingers don't want to be true, and assert the opposite in a wordy, pseudo-scientific way so dull-minded people won't fact-check it and assume it's true." I'm very tired of that crap. Speaks VOLUMES of the OP that the posted this here.



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22 Mar 2011, 6:14 pm

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This guy is such a misogynist and bigot it is not even remotely funny. Why such a misogynistic person would write under a singularity and futurist title is also disgusting, since NEITHER of those movements espouse such values. He gives himself a very bad name and decreases his own credibility by being such a misogynist. The guy is a bigot pure and simple. This is purely a misogynistic screed.

Seriously I am have an obsession with the singularity right now, but this guy has absolutely no credibility on it. I will stick to Kurzweil AI, Kurzweil is far from a misogynistic nutjob.


Off-topic, I also find the Singularity (and Kurzweil) interesting. The other thing I find fascinating -- the Fermi Paradox. Now combine them. What happens when the result of our singularity meets the result of their singularity?

On-topic, the essay is mostly crap, but there are occasional points he makes that are salient -- It is true that there is some unfairness in divorce laws, paternity/child support laws, etc. There is inequality out there, and things have gone too far in some cases.

For instance -- should a father ever owe child support on a child that isn't his? Why would that ever be justified? Yet there are known cases where a child that a father was told was his, signed the birth certificate, and then was proven by DNA testing not to be his, was still legally his responsibility, and he was penalized for not making payments. How does this make any sense? Yes, someone needs to pay for that child, but not the guy whose kid it isn't!! !

And yeah -- no-fault divorce seems stupid. There should be barriers to getting married easily (after all, it's the most important contract you will ever sign in your life), but since there aren't, is it in the public's interest to make it easy to get divorce for any reason at all? This hurts men, women, children alike -- it can be a very impulsive decision that in the long run, does more harm than good.

Finally -- alimony laws are also pretty dumb. Let's look at an extreme example to see how out-of-whack this can be. For instance, Howard Stern, who earned all of these millions off of his own effort, ends up having to split that massive estate evenly with his ex-wife. What did she do to earn this? Did she clean the huge house they lived in? No, of course not, they had a housekeeper. Oh, well then, surely she cooked. No, they had a cook. Well then, she must have been taking care of the kids the whole time. No, they had child care, day care, after-school programs, and other things to get the kids out of the house. Does she deserve something? Yes. Does she deserve half? Of course not. So there's another flawed set of laws that were well-intended, but in fact are being enforced in a way that is sexist. Equal rights under the law applies EQUALLY -- sexism/racism (e.g. affirmative action), even if it is state-sponsored, is still WRONG and in violation of that precept.

But of course, for every good point he regurgitates (and nothing he says is new or even surprising, since these are all old and well-hashed arguments) gets lost in his paranoia. No, easy divorce and alimony is not a conspiracy for women to be able to cuckold their husbands or sleep around. We all know that men do cheat at least twice as much as women. So there are good reasons for why some of these laws came about (even though the consequences have been skewed), but there isn't some grand feminist plot to strip men of their rights or allow women to screw more guys. Heck, if he knew his radical feminists better, he'd know that a significant amount of them were outright against sex with men ("Sex is rape!"), so they weren't trying to make that happen more frequently. He would have had a better (but still wacky) argument if he had said that they were trying to push women into lesbianism.

Also -- a lot of those feminists he decries so much are either dead now, or have repudiated much of their most extreme views. Everyone is young once, and young people are radical. They don't stay radical as they get older.


yes, the reason why his blog bothers me so much is that there actually are valid men's issues, and attention to these issues are buried under crap about Pick Up Artistry, virginity in women, weight gain in wives, defending Sarah Palin, who is a great public speaker and very attractive, but cognitively she is a drongo. There are male drongos too, so that is not just me being sexist. And male issues exist, whether you are a Republican or a Democrat or Whatever, so I dont know why he is bringing all the right-wing politics into it.


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22 Mar 2011, 6:15 pm

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Agreed, great post!


Then the dose of logic that I gave her applies to you too.

Girls, don't you see that acting like a highly entitled victim actually harms all of us, as women?

Thankfully, there are enough women speaking up against misandry, so that people like you don't get taken seriously. Again, check out Dr. Helen.



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22 Mar 2011, 6:18 pm

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yes, the reason why his blog bothers me so much is that there actually are valid men's issues, and attention to these issues are buried under crap about Pick Up Artistry, virginity in women, weight gain in wives, defending Sarah Palin, who is a great public speaker and very attractive, but cognitively she is a drongo. There are male drongos too, so that is not just me being sexist. And male issues exist, whether you are a Republican or a Democrat or Whatever, so I dont know why he is bringing all the right-wing politics into it.


He is pretty harsh on Social Conservatives too... He has a whole section bashing them.

I don't think you can say that the blog is merely a uniform right-wing mouthpiece.

I do find it necessary to mention to 'Starrygirl' again that the Singularity is a very right-wing, free-market, no government concept, and that Ray Kurzweil is a Republican/Libertarian.



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22 Mar 2011, 6:50 pm

Why are your only posts on an autism board, in this thread? Not even an introduction.... kind of strange.


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22 Mar 2011, 7:12 pm

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Oh, you stupid girl. You are a disgrace to the female gender.
As a woman, I found that article very fair and informative.

MissTessbacher wrote:
zen_mistress wrote:
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Agreed, great post!

Then the dose of logic that I gave her applies to you too.
Girls, don't you see that acting like a highly entitled victim actually harms all of us, as women?
Thankfully, there are enough women speaking up against misandry, so that people like you don't get taken seriously.

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fight this unequal treatment, which harms women like me by making women less credible.


Well aren't you an obnoxious little pissant,
with your 6 posts and join date less than 24 hours ago.

"As a woman"? "Girls"? "All of us, as women"? "Women like me"?
You're laying it on pretty thick there, buddy.
The key to "passing" is subtlety. Don't overdo it.


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22 Mar 2011, 7:22 pm

Bethie wrote:
Well aren't you an obnoxious little pissant,
with your 6 posts and join date less than 24 hours ago.


What part about not resorting to personal attacks didn't you understand, Bethie? Or maybe you think insults will add credibility to your position?


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22 Mar 2011, 7:26 pm

If it wasn't against the rules, it's entirely possible that I might be agreeing with Bethie's assessment of whatshis... uh... herface.
I'm totally not, though.


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22 Mar 2011, 7:30 pm

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Bethie wrote:
Well aren't you an obnoxious little pissant,
with your 6 posts and join date less than 24 hours ago.


What part about not resorting to personal attacks didn't you understand, Bethie? Or maybe you think insults will add credibility to your position?


I don't really have a position,
except that someone who lashes out calling StaryGrrl "stupid girl"
for daring to disagree with HIM is pretty suspect.

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22 Mar 2011, 7:34 pm

The issue was addressed. Escalating won't help, this thread is already one tiny step from a flame war.


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22 Mar 2011, 8:09 pm

Apologies, Sal.


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22 Mar 2011, 8:52 pm

Bethie wrote:

I don't really have a position,
except that someone who lashes out calling StaryGrrl "stupid girl"
for daring to disagree with HIM is pretty suspect.

:!:


Sorry, but I am a woman.

And yes, many women have the views that I do, which are fair and reasonable. Here is my blog :
http://malechauvinist.blogspot.com/

Read my blog for 10 minutes and then get back to me.

I am sick and tired of childish narcissism from women under the banner of feminism, which hurts all women.

Plus, since you only have namecalling but no real points, that is just your way of admitting that you have been intellectually outclassed, and can't debate your way out of a paper bag.