Would you give up your reproductive rights for love?

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21 Apr 2011, 12:42 pm

reproductive...RIGHTS?

I'm sorry but there are no such things as reproductive rights :I



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21 Apr 2011, 1:11 pm

The choices regarding reproduction are an individual entitlement and, therefore, a right. There's no bizarre logic to quarrel this simply because one makes a childfree choice and decides everyone else should follow suit.



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21 Apr 2011, 8:32 pm

I don't want children, so it's an easy answer for me. It's possible I would in the future, but there are options like adoption to consider.


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22 Apr 2011, 12:07 am

swbluto wrote:
We all know that a central tenet of Evolutionary theory is that *almost all* organisms are mainly interested in the reproduction and passing on of their genes, and this manifests in the primal sexual drive that exists in the majority of human males


Well, we can distinguish between our baser urges and the desire to have kids, so it's kinda hard to answer.



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22 Apr 2011, 11:06 am

wefunction wrote:
The choices regarding reproduction are an individual entitlement and, therefore, a right. There's no bizarre logic to quarrel this simply because one makes a childfree choice and decides everyone else should follow suit.


QFT.


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22 Apr 2011, 12:32 pm

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The world needs as many Aspies as possible. We do s**t. NTs just help us. The Aspies are the CEOs, the NTs are the employees.


CEOs are usually very NT.

Not all CEOs are Gates and Zuckerbergs.



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22 Apr 2011, 12:33 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:

The world needs as many Aspies as possible. We do s**t. NTs just help us. The Aspies are the CEOs, the NTs are the employees.


CEOs are usually very NT.

Not all CEOs are Gates and Zuckerbergs.


QFT. [Exactly what I was thinking]



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22 Apr 2011, 12:38 pm

I think the thread's question can be simplified to a less controversial question:

"If you are given two choices: would you choose the infertile person that you love or a fertile person you don't love ?"
or "would you sacrifice your fertility to get a love for life?".

They're all theoretical, you know.



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22 Apr 2011, 12:39 pm

Tias wrote:
reproductive...RIGHTS?

I'm sorry but there are no such things as reproductive rights :I


What about a dog or cat that has been neutered?



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22 Apr 2011, 4:28 pm

I was born with more than a few disabilities that are supposedly genetic & could potentially be passed on but for some strange rezone I have no family history of most of em. I would definitely give up my reproduction rites because I think Charles Darwin would rise from the dead to keep me from deevolving society because I am the weakest link. I would be doing the American tax payer, my genetic offspring & my potential partner & our families a huge disservice by reproducing. I should let my horrible genes die out because I am incapable of being independent & surviving on my own. If human society was like the animal kingdom; I would of been dead a very long time ago


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22 Apr 2011, 5:11 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I think the thread's question can be simplified to a less controversial question:

"If you are given two choices: would you choose the infertile person that you love or a fertile person you don't love ?"
or "would you sacrifice your fertility to get a love for life?".

They're all theoretical, you know.


Theoretical, yes, but still very important to think long and hard about because marriages have ended over this. The urge can be satisfied to a great extent with an infertile person who adopts. Then you give up only your genetic heritage but not any other heritage. You still get to pass on your values and way of life. It gets to be a truly tough choice when you ponder whether you would be willing to give up having children both biological or adopted for love. There are people who think they would. They marry somebody who is Childfree By Choice (thus no adoption) but it does happen that people change their minds about that and decide years into the marriage that they do want kids. Then the marriage usually ends. When both want kids but one doing it biologically isn't an option, adoption works out fine. It's the ones where one person gives up kids in totality that there are problems.



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22 Apr 2011, 5:51 pm

I never realized that you would need to give up reproduction for love, I really don't understand the point of these threads. And when Bethie uses words like "dichotomy", I'm even more lost. :) Aspies can use advance vocabulary well, but Bethie is probably one of the best in doing that.

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A dichotomy is any splitting of a whole into exactly two non-overlapping parts, meaning it is a procedure in which a whole is divided into two parts, or in half. It is a partition of a whole (or a set) into two parts (subsets) that are:
jointly exhaustive: everything must belong to one part or the other, and
mutually exclusive: nothing can belong simultaneously to both parts.


After reading that a few times I still don't fully understand it. :)


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22 Apr 2011, 5:55 pm

emuman100 wrote:
I never realized that you would need to give up reproduction for love, )


You only would if you fall in love with somebody who can't or won't have children. Then you have to ask yourself if you want to stay with this person, because staying with them means not having children.



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22 Apr 2011, 6:07 pm

manlyadam wrote:
Tias wrote:
reproductive...RIGHTS?

I'm sorry but there are no such things as reproductive rights :I


What about a dog or cat that has been neutered?


WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE DOGS AND CATS?!

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22 Apr 2011, 6:41 pm

Janissy wrote:
You only would if you fall in love with somebody who can't or won't have children. Then you have to ask yourself if you want to stay with this person, because staying with them means not having children.


You can adopt if you want children, or if you want your own you can there are other reproductive options, but if there are no options for you, then it's up to you if you want to stay with that person. If you love them and want to be with them, then either don't have children or use other options.


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22 Apr 2011, 7:55 pm

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You only would if you fall in love with somebody who can't or won't have children. Then you have to ask yourself if you want to stay with this person, because staying with them means not having children.


I don't want to raise kids because I think I would be a bad father but I want to pass my genes on so ideally I would be in a relationship with someone who doesn't want kids but I would donate to some sperm banks or a couple, or make a baby with a woman who wants to raise a child on her own for some reason though only if it would be ok without a father, I know I would have been better off without. I wouldn't give up the right to pass on my genes even if it made me miserable for the rest of my life I'm far to stubborn to give up a right like that even if I never would act on it I would still value the right to do so.