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26 Apr 2011, 10:20 am

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(on an aside, I love how this thread keeps on going despite the original post being deleted :wink: )


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26 Apr 2011, 10:40 am

Ooooor beauty is subjective and therefore the idea of beauty will change to fit the times. Hate to tell you but the anorexic ideal of beauty has only been made popular in the early 1900's. Before that, curvaceous women were considered attractive as it means that they had wealth and lived comfortably.

Also, just because a girl is overweight doesn't mean she doesn't take care of herself. I gained a good portion of my weight due to antidepressants and am on my way of getting that weight off since I quit those pills 10 months ago. Others have lower metabolisms, genetic or health issues that keeps them larger. Only a few women are large because they don't take care of themselves.

P.S. BMI is BS. Muscle weighs more than fat, so a person with 10% body fat and the rest being muscle would be considered overweight. I would measure based on the percentage of body fat as it's a lot more accurate way of measuring health. Also, I've met people who are overweight but are still healthy. How is that so? They eat well, exercise and just so happen to have a low metabolism. It's not their fault so insinuating that they aren't beautiful or what have you just because they don't look like a prepubescent boy is just ridiculous. :/



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26 Apr 2011, 11:31 am

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Before that, curvaceous women were considered attractive as it means that they had wealth and lived comfortably.


I still consider them attractive, because to me they just look good. I'm hoping that one of these days guys will see just how attractive overweight women are. But maybe that's how my brain is wired. They do say that big girls need loving too, I like to think I was put on this earth to love them. :)


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26 Apr 2011, 11:38 am

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I'm hoping that one of these days guys will see just how attractive overweight women are. But maybe that's how my brain is wired. They do say that big girls need loving too, I like to think I was put on this earth to love them. :)


We do need love and acceptance, just like any other person on this planet. I don't see why people feel the need to discriminate and be so rude to their fellow humans when there really isn't a reason to do so and they won't get anything out of their prejudice.



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26 Apr 2011, 12:17 pm

If you mean personality wise...I may have agreed but it all depends really.

Beautiful Woman (the impossible "perfect" woman") is extinct but then that means something's got to give (personality).

I'd rather have a less then perfect girl who has brains and has a good soul rather then a beautiful woman devoid of anything otherwise.


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26 Apr 2011, 12:48 pm

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If you mean personality wise...I may have agreed but it all depends really.

Beautiful Woman (the impossible "perfect" woman") is extinct but then that means something's got to give (personality).

I'd rather have a less then perfect girl who has brains and has a good soul rather then a beautiful woman devoid of anything otherwise.


A "perfect woman" never existed in the first place because no human being is perfect. What has to give is society's standards on appearance. Sadly, it probably won't give. It might alter itself slightly but it will take decades for a new ideal to be established and it might be worse than it already is now. D:



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26 Apr 2011, 1:01 pm

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If you mean personality wise...I may have agreed but it all depends really.

Beautiful Woman (the impossible "perfect" woman") is extinct but then that means something's got to give (personality).

I'd rather have a less then perfect girl who has brains and has a good soul rather then a beautiful woman devoid of anything otherwise.

i'm confused by your statements. i am no less perfect or beautiful than any any other woman just because i'm fat, and the same goes for other women. you might not personally find me attractive, but that doesn't make me universally less beautiful than a thinner woman.

i feel a little bad for posters on this thread who don't find larger women attractive, in all their voluptuousness, because it limits their own choices. i think beautiful women aren't becoming extinct at all, but men who prefer women who are skinny will either need to adjust to appreciating modern current body types, or perhaps they will end up pretty lonely.


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26 Apr 2011, 2:56 pm

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The average woman in the united states, according to wikipedia, is about 5'4" and 164 pounds, that is overweight.

I hate to say it but when you pull in facts and figures you have to remember - there's always the possibility that the author is talking straight from the side of their neck and that the number presented is fully cooked or intuited rather than being any real measure of anything.


As I said, 5'4'' being the average height of a woman? :? sure, wikipedia.

At 5'4" and 160 I think they meant average Samoan woman.


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26 Apr 2011, 3:21 pm

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The OP is right here as its estimated that by 2015, 75% of women will be overweight or obese. Now, for younger women im sure the number will be lower than that!

But what this means is that the women who arent fat and actually take care of themselves and actually care to look good will realize that they are more in demand than ever and will be more picky about who they will date.

The same is true for men, as an equivelent percentage of them are overweight or obese.


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26 Apr 2011, 4:07 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
sunshower wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
trojan51 wrote:
The average woman in the united states, according to wikipedia, is about 5'4" and 164 pounds, that is overweight.

I hate to say it but when you pull in facts and figures you have to remember - there's always the possibility that the author is talking straight from the side of their neck and that the number presented is fully cooked or intuited rather than being any real measure of anything.


As I said, 5'4'' being the average height of a woman? :? sure, wikipedia.

At 5'4" and 160 I think they meant average Samoan woman.

the average heights have not changed much over the years and this is a well-documented statistic if you research it (sources are UK Department for Trade and Industry, US CDC, and Stats Canada).

the national differences in height are partly due to ethnic backgrounds in countries with mixed origins (i.e. african descent versus asian).

Averages:

UK:

female - 5' 3.8" (163 cm) & 147 lb (66.7 kg)
male - 5' 9.4" (176.3 cm) & 176 lb (79.8 kg)

US:

female - 5' 3.7" (162 cm) & 163 lb (73.9 kg)
male - 5' 9.5" (176.5 cm) & 194.7 lb (88.3 kg)

Canada*:

female: 5' 3.4" (161 cm) tall & 153 lb (69.4 kg)
male - 5' 8.5" (174 cm) & 182 lb (82.7 kg)

*perhaps not as accurate as stats are self-reported and not measured


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26 Apr 2011, 4:13 pm

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emuman100 wrote:
I'm hoping that one of these days guys will see just how attractive overweight women are. But maybe that's how my brain is wired. They do say that big girls need loving too, I like to think I was put on this earth to love them. :)


We do need love and acceptance, just like any other person on this planet. I don't see why people feel the need to discriminate and be so rude to their fellow humans when there really isn't a reason to do so and they won't get anything out of their prejudice.


I agree completely. Society needs to see that "overweight" doesn't mean "ugly" or "defective" and the same could be said about autistics. Being on the spectrum doesn't mean you are "defective", it means you are different, and if we would accept others for who they are, there wouldn't be this problem. And even if it won't change, there are still people out there who will accept you for who you are, and I take comfort in that.

I do see a lot of overweight women with guys, who I assume is their boyfriend or husband. There are quite a lot of guys I know who go after a heavier girl, sometimes the guy is pretty big himself. Maybe it's because of where I am, I'm not really sure. My ex is overweight, and she really doesn't have trouble finding guys.

I usually go after "hopefuls" only to find out they are with someone, and a hopeful to me is overweight. It's not that I find slim or skinny girls unattractive or ugly. I find them attractive, but I find overweight girls much more attractive and usually only pursue them. Only if other guys saw what I see in overweight women, but then I'd never get a girlfriend. :)


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26 Apr 2011, 4:47 pm

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I agree completely. Society needs to see that "overweight" doesn't mean "ugly" or "defective" and the same could be said about autistics. Being on the spectrum doesn't mean you are "defective", it means you are different, and if we would accept others for who they are, there wouldn't be this problem. And even if it won't change, there are still people out there who will accept you for who you are, and I take comfort in that.


I think this is why I have such an issue with the fat-hating BS in this forum. I'm not overweight, but I am different. If being overweight is "defective" or "ugly" then it's not such a leap that being autistic is. Or being different in any other way. If someone has a *preference* for thin women, or NT women, or white women, or women with small feet, or whatever, that's one thing. But to start saying someone cannot be beautiful because she's overweight, or autistic, or non-white, or has big feet...that's just offensive and people doing it need to grow up, IMNSHO.

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26 Apr 2011, 5:55 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
sunshower wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
trojan51 wrote:
The average woman in the united states, according to wikipedia, is about 5'4" and 164 pounds, that is overweight.

I hate to say it but when you pull in facts and figures you have to remember - there's always the possibility that the author is talking straight from the side of their neck and that the number presented is fully cooked or intuited rather than being any real measure of anything.


As I said, 5'4'' being the average height of a woman? :? sure, wikipedia.

At 5'4" and 160 I think they meant average Samoan woman.

the average heights have not changed much over the years and this is a well-documented statistic if you research it (sources are UK Department for Trade and Industry, US CDC, and Stats Canada).

the national differences in height are partly due to ethnic backgrounds in countries with mixed origins (i.e. african descent versus asian).

Averages:

UK:

female - 5' 3.8" (163 cm) & 147 lb (66.7 kg)
male - 5' 9.4" (176.3 cm) & 176 lb (79.8 kg)

US:

female - 5' 3.7" (162 cm) & 163 lb (73.9 kg)
male - 5' 9.5" (176.5 cm) & 194.7 lb (88.3 kg)

Canada*:

female: 5' 3.4" (161 cm) tall & 153 lb (69.4 kg)
male - 5' 8.5" (174 cm) & 182 lb (82.7 kg)

*perhaps not as accurate as stats are self-reported and not measured


Ok, maybe I'm wrong. :oops:


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26 Apr 2011, 6:20 pm

True beauty is dead.


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26 Apr 2011, 7:56 pm

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True beauty is dead.


:cry: Sometimes I feel the same way.


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26 Apr 2011, 8:45 pm

I saw this thread's subject and I thought this must surely be a joke. After reading some of the comments, I hesitate to add anything, because it may very well be pointless. But I can't pass by without saying one thing - Wikipedia is not a scholarly source. It's edited by every person who takes the time create an account and contribute. If you're going to create an argument, at least take the time to find a scholarly article written by an expert in the field and not every ole nobody.