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Do you approve of polyamory? (Pick which one you lean towards)
Yes 68%  68%  [ 40 ]
No 32%  32%  [ 19 ]
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09 Aug 2011, 9:38 am

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Sure, we're still animals but that doesn't mean we operate like a pack of wolves. So tell me, if alpha/beta designations truly matter, what's the dualistic designation for women in this small animalistic world of yours?


They sometime join the hunt. Some of them went looting mothercare and came out with a buggy full of goods others wa trying on trainers and sweetpants with their children. It was really kicking off in London Yesturday.


So I hear! But what on earth does this have to do with polyamory? Having more than one relationship doesn't have anything to DO with looting and rioting! You make another assumption here in making this connection...that it's either (a) monogamy or (b) a sexual free for all unrestrained even by common sense. False dichotomy.

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09 Aug 2011, 10:33 am

With any kind of polygamy things just get messy and can lead to family breakdowns and broken relationships.
Changes to the breading process can have knock-on effects. Just like prostitution in society can have negative
effects. But some people may it as innocently as purchasing a service.



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09 Aug 2011, 11:53 am

Aspie_Chav wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
Sure, we're still animals but that doesn't mean we operate like a pack of wolves. So tell me, if alpha/beta designations truly matter, what's the dualistic designation for women in this small animalistic world of yours?


They sometime join the hunt. Some of them went looting mothercare and came out with a buggy full of goods others wa trying on trainers and sweetpants with their children. It was really kicking off in London Yesturday.


I notice you didn't provide dualistic labels for these women. Nor did you effectively connect the riots to poly relationships.


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09 Aug 2011, 11:54 am

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With any kind of polygamy things just get messy and can lead to family breakdowns and broken relationships.
Changes to the breading process can have knock-on effects. Just like prostitution in society can have negative
effects. But some people may it as innocently as purchasing a service.


Anything can be harmful if done wrong. What's your point?


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09 Aug 2011, 12:57 pm

Aspie_Chav wrote:
With any kind of polygamy things just get messy and can lead to family breakdowns and broken relationships.
Changes to the breading process can have knock-on effects. Just like prostitution in society can have negative
effects. But some people may it as innocently as purchasing a service.


Family breakdowns occur less in poly families than in monogamous families.



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09 Aug 2011, 2:43 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
Aspie_Chav wrote:
With any kind of polygamy things just get messy and can lead to family breakdowns and broken relationships.
Changes to the breading process can have knock-on effects. Just like prostitution in society can have negative
effects. But some people may it as innocently as purchasing a service.


Anything can be harmful if done wrong. What's your point?


The question of the post is" do you approve of polygamy". My answer is the price of polygamy is expensive.



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09 Aug 2011, 2:49 pm

Tuttle wrote:
Aspie_Chav wrote:
With any kind of polygamy things just get messy and can lead to family breakdowns and broken relationships.
Changes to the breading process can have knock-on effects. Just like prostitution in society can have negative
effects. But some people may it as innocently as purchasing a service.


Family breakdowns occur less in poly families than in monogamous families.


My work well with people with special qualities, but in my experience it doesn't work with average people
from western countries. Do you have links to sites that support your view.



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09 Aug 2011, 2:51 pm

Aspie_Chav wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
Aspie_Chav wrote:
With any kind of polygamy things just get messy and can lead to family breakdowns and broken relationships.
Changes to the breading process can have knock-on effects. Just like prostitution in society can have negative
effects. But some people may it as innocently as purchasing a service.


Anything can be harmful if done wrong. What's your point?


The question of the post is" do you approve of polygamy". My answer is the price of polygamy is expensive.


Uh... no, it's not. The question is "Do you approve of polyamory?".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy

There is a difference.



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09 Aug 2011, 3:14 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
Aspie_Chav wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
Sure, we're still animals but that doesn't mean we operate like a pack of wolves. So tell me, if alpha/beta designations truly matter, what's the dualistic designation for women in this small animalistic world of yours?


They sometime join the hunt. Some of them went looting mothercare and came out with a buggy full of goods others wa trying on trainers and sweetpants with their children. It was really kicking off in London Yesturday.


I notice you didn't provide dualistic labels for these women. Nor did you effectively connect the riots to poly relationships.


If you make an observation of polygamy in animals where females outnumber males. Those males are very aggressive. Same holds true
in cultures where woman outnumber men to a higher ratio. Yes I know that, polygamy can mean many woman to many woman but generally
men do not want to share woman with other men. Simple reason is males, including those from the animal kingdom, do not like
to invest resources bringing up some other males children.

Thus if a polygamous relationships results in a child, the male is less willing to invest, then in a monogamous one.



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09 Aug 2011, 3:35 pm

Lyriel wrote:
Aspie_Chav wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
Aspie_Chav wrote:
With any kind of polygamy things just get messy and can lead to family breakdowns and broken relationships.
Changes to the breading process can have knock-on effects. Just like prostitution in society can have negative
effects. But some people may it as innocently as purchasing a service.


Anything can be harmful if done wrong. What's your point?


The question of the post is" do you approve of polygamy". My answer is the price of polygamy is expensive.


Uh... no, it's not. The question is "Do you approve of polyamory?".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy

There is a difference.


Sorry I thought yo was being panicaty about the spelling. Both , I feel will lead the some way.



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09 Aug 2011, 4:05 pm

Aspie_Chav wrote:
Tuttle wrote:
Aspie_Chav wrote:
With any kind of polygamy things just get messy and can lead to family breakdowns and broken relationships.
Changes to the breading process can have knock-on effects. Just like prostitution in society can have negative
effects. But some people may it as innocently as purchasing a service.


Family breakdowns occur less in poly families than in monogamous families.


My work well with people with special qualities, but in my experience it doesn't work with average people
from western countries. Do you have links to sites that support your view.


Many of these articles are actually scholarly and would require paying to view, as I no longer am a college student who has access to these via my school. However, to list a few.

[url=http://books.google.com/books?id=-PNEaXX-pK8C&pg=PA48&dq=polyamory+relationship+stability&hl=en&ei=KZ5BToObMYXogQe-6c2wCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=
false] A book on google books [/url]

http://www.ejhs.org/volume6/polyamory.htm

http://aphroweb.net/papers/thesis/thesis.pdf


What you are discussing is NOT polyamory. Polyamory is built around commitment and communication, not sex and owning people. While there are other non-monogamous relationships that do have traits that you are discussing, it is not the one that everyone else is discussing.



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09 Aug 2011, 4:40 pm

Tuttle wrote:
Aspie_Chav wrote:
Tuttle wrote:
Aspie_Chav wrote:
With any kind of polygamy things just get messy and can lead to family breakdowns and broken relationships.
Changes to the breading process can have knock-on effects. Just like prostitution in society can have negative
effects. But some people may it as innocently as purchasing a service.


Family breakdowns occur less in poly families than in monogamous families.


My work well with people with special qualities, but in my experience it doesn't work with average people
from western countries. Do you have links to sites that support your view.


Many of these articles are actually scholarly and would require paying to view, as I no longer am a college student who has access to these via my school. However, to list a few.

[url=http://books.google.com/books?id=-PNEaXX-pK8C&pg=PA48&dq=polyamory+relationship+stability&hl=en&ei=KZ5BToObMYXogQe-6c2wCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=
false] A book on google books [/url]

http://www.ejhs.org/volume6/polyamory.htm

http://aphroweb.net/papers/thesis/thesis.pdf


What you are discussing is NOT polyamory. Polyamory is built around commitment and communication, not sex and owning people. While there are other non-monogamous relationships that do have traits that you are discussing, it is not the one that everyone else is discussing.


Thanks very much for the link. I am reading it now. I have a feeling they haven't analysed the repercussions of that lifestyle, much the same way that Marxist have and ignored science as a gateway to the truth .In the article Monogamous appears to devalue marriage. But marriage is a system that has evolved through thousands of years evolution. And is acceptable in nearly all cultures universally. Cultures based on marriage have family units, tribes etc that offer support and the love, and doesn't appear to need monogamous units to implement it.

I will finish read the article but I feel I will not hear anything surprising.



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09 Aug 2011, 8:34 pm

Successful relationships are based on values like love, trust, cooperation, respect, dignity, honor, and sacrifice, and fidelity. Modern society, via propagation by the media, has basically thrown out these core values. Cheating has become so commonplace that now people are begining to accept it as societal norm rather than an anomally, and thus try to integrate it into modern romance as 'open relationships'. Sleeping with others, regardless of being 'open' or not is infidelity no matter how you slice it, consensual or not. Some in favour of polyamory will say that having multiple partners will strengthen their bonds with their partners. Humans are higher evolved animals, but we not evolved beyond jealousy, whether it's conscious or sub-conscious. In fact, because we are more evolved compared to other animals, we have abstract notions of jealous, love, control, possession, etc. I will conceed that humans evolved from a common ancestor with primates, which are not monoamory, but by participating in 'open relationships' or polyamory, or even accepting of such corrupt notions, you are admitting that we are nothing more than primitive life-forms. We are higher evolved organisms, are we not? Futhermore, the very idea that one can love more than person at a time is ridiculous. How can one ever feel that someone's feelings for them are geniune if they're being shared (more like commondeered) by others? How is that 'love' supposed to meaningful? It's funny. As the post said, we Aspies are generally counter-cultural. In developed countries, especially in America, it's now the culture to be polyamorous and not to be monoamorous. Most people these days are too lazy or too weak to put in the effort to make a monoamorous relationship work and it disgusts me. Polyamorism destroys values and harms decent, honest people who truly believe in real love. I know that I will be ridiculed for writting this, considering the majority of you believe in polyamorism, and I know it won't change your minds, but I justed wanted to prove, to the minority, that there is someone who will speak up for them. If it's something I've learned living in a representative democracy like the U.S., it's the majority ISN'T always right. Good day.



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09 Aug 2011, 10:06 pm

I_am_Kira wrote:
Successful relationships are based on values like love, trust, cooperation, respect, dignity, honor, and sacrifice, and fidelity. Modern society, via propagation by the media, has basically thrown out these core values. Cheating has become so commonplace that now people are begining to accept it as societal norm rather than an anomally, and thus try to integrate it into modern romance as 'open relationships'. Sleeping with others, regardless of being 'open' or not is infidelity no matter how you slice it, consensual or not. Some in favour of polyamory will say that having multiple partners will strengthen their bonds with their partners. Humans are higher evolved animals, but we not evolved beyond jealousy, whether it's conscious or sub-conscious. In fact, because we are more evolved compared to other animals, we have abstract notions of jealous, love, control, possession, etc. I will conceed that humans evolved from a common ancestor with primates, which are not monoamory, but by participating in 'open relationships' or polyamory, or even accepting of such corrupt notions, you are admitting that we are nothing more than primitive life-forms. We are higher evolved organisms, are we not? Futhermore, the very idea that one can love more than person at a time is ridiculous. How can one ever feel that someone's feelings for them are geniune if they're being shared (more like commondeered) by others? How is that 'love' supposed to meaningful? It's funny. As the post said, we Aspies are generally counter-cultural. In developed countries, especially in America, it's now the culture to be polyamorous and not to be monoamorous. Most people these days are too lazy or too weak to put in the effort to make a monoamorous relationship work and it disgusts me. Polyamorism destroys values and harms decent, honest people who truly believe in real love. I know that I will be ridiculed for writting this, considering the majority of you believe in polyamorism, and I know it won't change your minds, but I justed wanted to prove, to the minority, that there is someone who will speak up for them. If it's something I've learned living in a representative democracy like the U.S., it's the majority ISN'T always right. Good day.


*edited snotty commentary out* Suffice it to say that calling those who disagree with you "lazy" and "weak" is offensive.

The idea of loving more than one person is FAR from ridiculous. Unless you've experienced it, you can't reasonably comment. When I was your age I thought it was ridiculous too. I'm significantly older and have found that it is quite possible and not at all ridiculous. My husband doesn't GET jealous, never did, not even when we first met. I used to. I find my life more pleasant as I've gotten past it. That you can't imagine a life without that painful, NEGATIVE emotion doesn't say anything about anyone other than yourself, so kindly speak only FOR yourself.

Polyamory isn't for everyone. If you're jealous, you'd best avoid involvement in it. If it is against your religion or your morals, by all means, don't do it. If it's just not your cup of tea, hey, no problem. BUT, to claim that your preferred lifestyle is the ONLY way to "real" love is incredibly presumptuous.

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10 Aug 2011, 1:17 am

Kate, I do believe freedom and I know that NTs can be very narrow minded only accepting what the have been taught.

There are some concerns. Do you think polyamory relationship favour some types of people. Will it favour the coolest
members of the relationship in regard to reproduction, much the same way as polygamy. Polyamory may eventually become
polygamy as the low status man is no longer needed. You mention jealous people shouldn't join but it also quite a
coincidence that the most jealous are often low status man, I believe short men in particular well known to be jealous
and insecure.



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10 Aug 2011, 3:55 pm

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Kate, I do believe freedom and I know that NTs can be very narrow minded only accepting what the have been taught.

There are some concerns. Do you think polyamory relationship favour some types of people. Will it favour the coolest
members of the relationship in regard to reproduction, much the same way as polygamy. Polyamory may eventually become
polygamy as the low status man is no longer needed. You mention jealous people shouldn't join but it also quite a
coincidence that the most jealous are often low status man, I believe short men in particular well known to be jealous
and insecure.


I personally think the only type of people polyamory "favors" are those with open minds, simply by virtue of the fact that those who are closed minded tend to be unaccepting (be aware here that I am *not* saying that those who don't accept polyamory are closed-minded...there are many reasons why one might not accept it). I haven't really run into a lot of people who just "use the label" to cover for being commitment-shy or just wanting lots of sex. Those folks I've met have been pretty open minded and accepting and genuinely interesting people. I can't say I know *a lot* of poly people, but I do know some and the men are not necessarily "alpha male" types. So no, I don't think it "favors" alpha-male types, at least as far as I've seen.

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