To all the high functioners
However, I'm still paddling in the kiddie pool so to speak, and here's why:
Mostly, I find supposedly NT behavior to be immoral and coercive, and I am not ready to allow myself to be that way because of my Christian upbringing.
Also undiagnosed PTSD mixed with being afraid to take drugs.
Also chronic fatigue and temporary muscle weakness.
Also I drive like a crazy person.
Also an immune disorder making it easy for me to get sick.
How am I even still alive????
You are alive because you're a fighter. I have a friend like this who had MD at a young age, and wasn't expected to live thru her 20's. She is now in her 40's and has an active public speaking schedule even though she's functionally quadriplegic. She could have so easily given up on life, on humanity, but never did. She's a fighter, and in my eyes one of the most heroic people I've known.
I'm considered very high functioning simply because the environment I was in was demanding enough for me to force myself to be adaptable. It was very hard, and I was always quite isolated, even when around people.
When I left school, something changed, and I began to feel more comfortable around people in general, and as I started to express myself freely, people naturally started to gravitate towards me. I had a lot of friends in college and university, even though I'm still not quite as social as others, but I got better at handling that stuff.
I still have problems with touch at times (skin very sensitive), and I get obsessive about things at times that causes me to be stubborn, but I'm minimizing the amount of times that happens.
The only things left to tackle for me, is my financial freedom, a successful career, and a vibrant dating life, 3 things I don't have yet, that I wish to achieve.
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When I left school, something changed, and I began to feel more comfortable around people in general, and as I started to express myself freely, people naturally started to gravitate towards me. I had a lot of friends in college and university, even though I'm still not quite as social as others, but I got better at handling that stuff.
Much the same for me. Still not immensely sociable, but I can get on with nearly anyone I meet.
I think it actually helps to not get too much special treatment. One of my work colleagues is openly AS and copes less well. He uses his AS as an excuse a lot of the time, whereas I grew up with virtually no-one having ever heard of it. I had to adapt.
I'm okay with touching people, but only when I know it's going to happen and it's someone I know. I feel uncomfortable with, say, strangers on public transport. This is a big improvement on my early life.
Don't worry too much about the financial freedom just yet - the career will get you that. The dating is something you should get started with as soon as you can, because it takes a while to get the hang of it.
This describes me, too (well said, MountZion). And though I was clearly "odd" there was no framework in which to place my oddness (no Aspergers in the 60's/70's). So, though I'm "high functioning" it's mostly a matter of being a very, very good actress and having memorized thousands of social rules/contexts/implications.
This describes me, too (well said, MountZion). And though I was clearly "odd" there was no framework in which to place my oddness (no Aspergers in the 60's/70's). So, though I'm "high functioning" it's mostly a matter of being a very, very good actress and having memorized thousands of social rules/contexts/implications.
Haha, my father is an actor (he's in a Steven Seagal movie even), so I guess acting came natural to me. Maybe I should do that too.......
I live in South London in an area with a lot of black families (being black myself), and there wasn't much education on how to handle such difficulties, so I was often just seen as different, but I was treated no different to any other child. It has been hard, but it was a help, and I'm glad I wasn't treated any different, as it forced me to step out of my comfort zone. Just that the zone has many layers lol.
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What are you doing on here? What use is this forum to you? Do you only go on here when you're feeling down, or do you just like offering advice? Do you contradict your own advice IRL?
There is a difference between understanding how something works and being able to implement that knowledge. For example, I might have memorized all of the moves of a dance. I might be able to envision it in my head and I might be able to critique and direct other people dancing, however that doesn't mean I can dance the dance myself.
Another analogy would be, most people can envision images in their head. They know what their car looks like, they know what their family members look like, their house looks like, but ask them to draw a detailed, accurate, realistic image of any of those things and most can't.
I do not contradict my advice in real life. However I do not fully utilize it either as I am frequently not in the situations many individuals I have replied to find themselves in.
I post here because I feel my knowledge can be helpful to others with AS, and I would like them to be able to enjoy a quality of life that I did not have the opportunity to enjoy when I was younger, due to lack of the knowledge I have now.
Same dude, i grew up on a fairly rough estate where failing wasn't really an option. I've been in sink or swim situations more than once and it's f*cking hard for a while but it's doable, you just have keep your head up and keep going.
I've been to mount zion btw

Hi everyone - sorry I haven't been able to make any replies for about the past week. I was spending too much time on the internet and decided to give myself a break.
All of your replies have been very interesting to read (really). However, the only ways people have really been able to help me is advising me face to face - because they can see how I act and tell me what I'm doing wrong. Such people are very hard to come across. I wonder how much of the advice on here actually helps people, because I think with a lot of these things such as confidence, it's very hard to teach someone how just in text. With a face to face conversation at least, you can see which specific points you're making actually gets through to the person. If you can read body language you can see live if the person is understanding a sentence or not.
I met up with an old friend with AS the other day. He's tall, confident, handsome and has a lot of knowledge on people. However, he said to me that he's been living in London for the past year and hasn't made any friends. It was interesting, because he told me that nobody knew how to carry on a conversation, and that his confidence could make people do things - e.g. A guy tells him a "dead baby" joke and my friend goes to him, "That isn't funny, slap yourself" and this guy did slap himself. Basically, he said those things, and I believe him, but he hasn't made any friends. He even told me he was unattractive, and I got a completely different impression of him before. It's weird, someone I thought who was doing really well socially, isn't.
I suppose what I meant by high functioning was being able to maintain maybe 3-4 friends, have an active sex life, earn a living and have a place of their own (or rented). I guess though dating on top of that would make a person more high functioning by that definition. I think the true definition is when someone has a high IQ, or intelligence anyway...and the classic autistic has learning difficulties which makes them lower functioning because they don't learn to over-ride their symptoms. As for me, I can act like a true autistic occasionally (screaming and going mad) as in once a year, if that. In everyday life, I put on a front and ask people questions I don't care about the answers to, but it doesn't stress me out because I have self confidence and really don't care. I've realised after years that I actually do like my own space a lot, but I still want friends, though it isn't the worst thing in the world if I don't. I only really managed to reduce paranoia when I taught myself how to blank out my emotions. As for relationships, because most of the time I feel numb, it's very hard to find someone I really like. So, what I've decided is that I'll have friends with benefits, or have an open relationship. I could have a relationship if I wanted to, but it's impossible for me to find someone I like because I feel nothing.
So anyway, since I can be very autistic, but most of the time I'm not...does it just make me the same not-so-high-functioning autistic person, but with knowledge?
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As some of the people on this website are unable to manage face-to-face relationships, we're unable to get on in life: evolution has ensured that NTs consider those of us who don't do eye contact can be a little shifty.
That's the thing. Eye contact is so simple. Just look at people as if they're objects, or inbetween their eyes. I don't understand how that's hard. Having said that, I've never had a problem with eye contact. I think eyes are beautiful.
It can't just be eye contact, surely. More answers, please.
I find that if I try to look them in the eyes or look like I am looking them in the eyes even if I am not then I cannot focus on what they are saying and then have to pretend I am listening as well. Also it makes me severely uncomfortable to look people in the eyes if I do not know them.
There was a time where I was "almost there", and eventually I got "there", but I've since regressed. I can't speak for you, but for me the thing that was holding me back was that I didn't have a direction for my life. When I got a direction for my life (a career path) socializing became 10 times easier for me, because up until that point I had spent nearly all my time learning about socializing, but because it was my primary focus, I couldn't take the final step. It's sort of how if you throw a baseball at FULL STRENGTH, it won't go as fast as if you relax and throw it as hard as you can without trying to dislocate your shoulder, and it also won't go as smooth. Getting too emotionally involved in something clouds judgment, and with something like communication, which is all about emotion, it's imperative that it is driven on instinct, not on trying to establish a connection. Doing, not trying. When I'm playing tennis, I play well when I just hit the ball, and I'm hitting the ball and playing the game, not playing my opponent and what I think he is going to do, because I can't control my opponent, I can only control the ball. This is hard for me to do consistently. I no longer have a career path or a direction for my life, and so my social skills have regressed by quite a bit. The best part is that I know what to do at this point, I just don't know how to handle it because there are too many things I feel I have to worry about. When my life was in order, and I was organized, socializing was much easier and much simpler, and not scary, because I didn't have a stake in the outcome.
What I mean by that I'm almost there...is that firstly I'm able to have relationships, which is much easier than being able to make friends anyway, because most guys (in my experience - no I'm not saying ALL of them) have only wanted to know me for a potential relationship, and if the answer is a no, they usually stop being 'friends'. Secondly I have confidence and have developed the ability not to care, which can be powerful. My problem is stopping my mind from thinking all over the place when answering people. I have to shut down the chatter and all of the solutions I think up of on the same subject, and try to adjust quickly to the sudden topic change. I don't know if I'll ever be able to change the way I think, so someone advised me to adapt. How do you adapt, exactly?
Developing the confidence and the ability not to care has been powerful, but still hasn't got rid of OCD. I still have a COMPLETE lack of motivation to do anything. I hardly have any hobbies, and life is boring. I've never been someone to go out there and get something.
I suppose compared with when I was a teenager (I used to go up to people and ask, "Will you be my friend?") I've come very, very far. But I'm still not really there - I can come across as normal, but I can't keep up with conversation in a group of people my age. They talk too fast and jump from one new topic to another.
It's interesting that a career helped you, and makes sense. One reason I decided to do accounting was because I realised in the big a/c firms, there were a lot of middle class people. I'm not saying all, but a lot of them have manners and *can be* more accepting and less likely to swear in your face or react aggressively if you do something wrong. However, that IS a BIG generalisation and of course whatever class of person people will still judge and there'll be a***holes.
To answer the OP's question(s), the only reason they're on here is to show off their success in life to less functioning people like myself.
Then they have the nerve to claim people like me aren't trying hard enough, and that's why we're so miserable and lonely in life. I've tried and tried throughout my life to be accepted by people and I've still ended up the way I am at age 25
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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who matter don't mind, and those that mind, don't matter."
[theodore "dr. seuss" geisel]
This describes me, too (well said, MountZion). And though I was clearly "odd" there was no framework in which to place my oddness (no Aspergers in the 60's/70's). So, though I'm "high functioning" it's mostly a matter of being a very, very good actress and having memorized thousands of social rules/contexts/implications.
I'm considered "high functioning" probably by both myself and others, although I have my own struggles. I am "high functioning" socially mainly. As quoted above, I believe it was massive external pressure that shaped my massive adaptive changes to become this way. I have been forced to adapt to survive, and a lot of change for me happened when I had to leave home and achieve complete financial independence to avoid verbal abuse at home (my mum was mentally unwell for a number of years, but she is better now and we have a wonderful relationship and can talk about what happened). Prior to that my parents actually gave me intensive social training from a very young age, starting before I was even diagnosed (as soon as they realized I had a social skills deficit). I also am a fast learner and have even read a book on body language, plus I study psychology.
I give advice on this forum quite a lot when I'm here on WP (which is sporadic). I give the advice not necessarily because I know a lot, but mainly because I want to help in any way I can and try to come up with solutions for people drawing on my own knowledge and academic knowledge. For my age I believe I have been pretty successful - I have had one good 7 month relationship, and another more recent relationship (which unfortunately was very dysfunctional). I've been asked out by quite a lot of different guys. Friendship-wise, I have many close friends (probably more than the average NT person) and am a member of several friendship groups. I am not lacking in friends at all. Plus I have only been bullied two times in the last 4 years.
Why do I come here? Well I tend to come here when I'm sick, or in shutdown, or I'm basically not well or not functioning properly. The support is really nice and it gives me something to do to make myself feel better. Plus it's nice to be able to help others when and where I can.
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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who matter don't mind, and those that mind, don't matter."
[theodore "dr. seuss" geisel]
To add to what I said above, I don't believe others struggle more than I do because they're not trying hard enough. I think it's different for everyone, everyone grew up in different circumstances, everyone has a different brain. I think my brain is somehow more adaptable than most, I seem to change/adapt/learn much more rapidly than others around me. Plus sometimes when I look back at myself several years back, then now, it's almost like I was a different person because I have changed so much in the intervening years. I know this is normal, but in my case I think it's quite extreme. Even my personality characteristics have done almost a full 360.
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