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14 Sep 2011, 4:02 pm

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@ XfilesGeek you are assuming too much about Game and what I call "Alpha behaviour" What you are referring to is a**hole Game, it's not much more than a footnote, a footnote that says it works on a larger number of women than you would expect, but it's bad, even toxic form and any relationship created from it is going to inherit those traits. The leadership traits (or least the signs of them) you discuss in Chimpanzees is closer to what is taught. Btw I laughed at beta chimps "sneaking" sex out of view of the alphas who get most of the attention I imagine, that's pretty much what I describe the current sexual marketplace to look like Laughing


That's nice; however, you've repeatedly demonstrated that you don't really understand what constitutes "alpha traits," natural selection, or primate behavior.

You refuse to cite any valid sources to support your claims, and you seem content to make baseless assertions piled on baseless assertions. If you don't grasp the difference between anecdotes and empirical evidence, I really can't help you. But I suspect you fall into the category of posters who, due to a complete lack supporting evidence and a desire for attention and popularity, aim to rile people by posting sensationalist opinions in lieu of reasoned argument.

Unfortunately, primates are one of my special interests and it exhausts me to have to explain them to dilettantes. Any attempt on my part to engage you in a debate would be self-defeating as that would imply that your claims are worthy of being debated in the first place. As it stands, your posts are about as worthy of adult discussion as would be a debate over the existence of the Tooth Fairy.

If you ever decide to move into the big leagues, give me a shout; until then, I'm going to be putting you on my ignore list on account of gross negligence towards basic facts pertaining to animal behavior and I really can't stand our society's willful ignorance and anti-intellectual stance any more.

Anyone wishing to discuss primates and how they ACTUALLY behave is welcomed to pm me, or look me up in another thread.

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14 Sep 2011, 4:58 pm

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As I said in previous threads the terms alpha and beta were HIJACKED. Game sites do not tell you to urinate on females nor take rivals outside and headbutt each other with plastic antlers. There are a FEW things common to Game and the social interactions of primates (mostly body language but that's it). You seem to be projecting your understanding of monkeys onto human Game.
When I or anyone else talks about this topic says "alpha traits" we are talking about "traits that HUMAN females find sexually attractive in HUMAN males". Nothing else.

Maybe Zion's post will be more enlightening.

Also valid sources? For game? I didn't think you'd accept Roissy as a valid source.


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14 Sep 2011, 7:04 pm

lilypadfad, I think you're sexist and you need to seek psychological help to not be sexist anymore. I think you are too biased to have a sensible discussion about this issue.



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14 Sep 2011, 7:27 pm

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As I said in previous threads the terms alpha and beta were HIJACKED. Game sites do not tell you to urinate on females nor take rivals outside and headbutt each other with plastic antlers. There are a FEW things common to Game and the social interactions of primates (mostly body language but that's it). You seem to be projecting your understanding of monkeys onto human Game.
When I or anyone else talks about this topic says "alpha traits" we are talking about "traits that HUMAN females find sexually attractive in HUMAN males". Nothing else.

Maybe Zion's post will be more enlightening.

Also valid sources? For game? I didn't think you'd accept Roissy as a valid source.

Roissy is well-known in this community for being incredibly sexist, misogynistic, and as someone who advocates the emotional abuse of women for the sole purpose of manipulating her into having sex with you. For him, "playing dirty" is routine -- he has no moral boundaries and nothing is "off-limits" in terms of his single-minded pursuit. Roissy may be a valid source for game, and if so, then he and his writings are the epitome of why it should be avoided at all costs.



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14 Sep 2011, 7:42 pm

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As I said in previous threads the terms alpha and beta were HIJACKED. Game sites do not tell you to urinate on females nor take rivals outside and headbutt each other with plastic antlers. There are a FEW things common to Game and the social interactions of primates (mostly body language but that's it). You seem to be projecting your understanding of monkeys onto human Game.
When I or anyone else talks about this topic says "alpha traits" we are talking about "traits that HUMAN females find sexually attractive in HUMAN males". Nothing else.

Maybe Zion's post will be more enlightening.

Also valid sources? For game? I didn't think you'd accept Roissy as a valid source.

Roissy is well-known in this community for being incredibly sexist, misogynistic, and as someone who advocates the emotional abuse of women for the sole purpose of manipulating her into having sex with you. For him, "playing dirty" is routine -- he has no moral boundaries and nothing is "off-limits" in terms of his single-minded pursuit. Roissy may be a valid source for game, and if so, then he and his writings are the epitome of why it should be avoided at all costs.


I would have agreed - if he was the only valid source for game.......which he most certainly is not. I understand everyone's misgivings about game, but I for one have seen the benefits for normal guys (and socially awkward guys trying to make it in dating) learning game, and I do cringe a little when I see people generalizing something as broad as "game", almost as much as you guys do when lilypadfad makes his particular generalizations, albeit that his are more controversial.


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14 Sep 2011, 7:44 pm

I'm a male chauvinist or sexist yeah, I do believe men are generally more capable at a large number of tasks, not just the physical ones. That does not mean I believe that there are no women capable of any given task. Everyone should have the chance to prove themselves. For example I'm not opposed to women joining the Military, but I am opposed to the lowering of physical standards just to let them in. If they want to join, they should work hard and rise to the same standard as everyone else.

Even if I wanted to "cure" myself (of rational thought?), I do not believe therapists offer that service.

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Roissy is well-known in this community for being incredibly sexist, misogynistic, and as someone who advocates the emotional abuse of women for the sole purpose of manipulating her into having sex with you. For him, "playing dirty" is routine -- he has no moral boundaries and nothing is "off-limits" in terms of his single-minded pursuit. Roissy may be a valid source for game, and if so, then he and his writings are the epitome of why it should be avoided at all costs.


Yeah and Gandhi was a big ol' racist, that doesn't invalidate the rest of his principles and teachings. You are right about Roissy but his site is the perhaps the biggest, most complete resource on this topic available.


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14 Sep 2011, 8:03 pm

hmmmm my biggest question is... why are you still here 2.5 days after posting your silly 'parting thoughts' lilypadpad? do you need to grab your hat and coat? seems like maybe you lurrrve creating MELODRAMA. maybe there are some women waiting for your attempts at PUA irl, or do you really have nothing better to do than to hang with us? well, i guess we are smart, educated and successful and you just can't resist being drawn to that...


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14 Sep 2011, 8:04 pm

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Roissy is well-known in this community for being incredibly sexist, misogynistic, and as someone who advocates the emotional abuse of women for the sole purpose of manipulating her into having sex with you. For him, "playing dirty" is routine -- he has no moral boundaries and nothing is "off-limits" in terms of his single-minded pursuit. Roissy may be a valid source for game, and if so, then he and his writings are the epitome of why it should be avoided at all costs.


Yeah and Gandhi was a big ol' racist, that doesn't invalidate the rest of his principles and teachings. You are right about Roissy but his site is the perhaps the biggest, most complete resource on this topic available.


I read his blog sometimes, it is easy to view him in such a negative light, he doesn't strike me as a benchmark of masculinity, but his own personal knowledge on how people work in general is not to be scoffed at IMO, as he has talked about things that I have personally seen with my own two eyes.


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14 Sep 2011, 8:15 pm

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hmmmm my biggest question is... why are you still here 2.5 days after posting your silly 'parting thoughts' lilypadpad? do you need to grab your hat and coat? seems like maybe you lurrrve creating MELODRAMA. maybe there are some women waiting for your attempts at PUA irl, or do you really have nothing better to do than to hang with us? well, i guess we are smart, educated and successful and you just can't resist being drawn to that...


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I read his blog sometimes, it is easy to view him in such a negative light, he doesn't strike me as a benchmark of masculinity, but his own personal knowledge on how people work in general is not to be scoffed at IMO, as he has talked about things that I have personally seen with my own two eyes.


Agreed, although there's not much left for me to learn, I still read his posts for the very dark humour. I don't know if anyone else sees it, but every now and again I see a little dash of remorse in his writing, mourning for more conservative times. Perhaps it's just me.


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14 Sep 2011, 8:24 pm

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hmmmm my biggest question is... why are you still here 2.5 days after posting your silly 'parting thoughts' lilypadpad? do you need to grab your hat and coat? seems like maybe you lurrrve creating MELODRAMA. maybe there are some women waiting for your attempts at PUA irl, or do you really have nothing better to do than to hang with us? well, i guess we are smart, educated and successful and you just can't resist being drawn to that...


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I read his blog sometimes, it is easy to view him in such a negative light, he doesn't strike me as a benchmark of masculinity, but his own personal knowledge on how people work in general is not to be scoffed at IMO, as he has talked about things that I have personally seen with my own two eyes.


Agreed, although there's not much left for me to learn, I still read his posts for the very dark humour. I don't know if anyone else sees it, but every now and again I see a little dash of remorse in his writing, mourning for more conservative times. Perhaps it's just me.


Yeah, you can see in his words ever so slightly.


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15 Sep 2011, 11:37 am

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...but we need to shoot those moronic feminists who shame stay at home mothers


Lilypadfad, if you were a smart man, offering interesting and deep thoughts, i would say THANKS FOR THE MENTAL SPARRING AND I WISH YOU WELL at this point.

But you're so completely out of the question that there's only one thing left to say:

If your mother had been one of this moronic feminists you mention above, then there would be one moronic sexist less now.

Stupidity is only funny up to a certain point until it becomes disgusting; obviously you've reached this point.



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15 Sep 2011, 12:13 pm

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Not. Literally. Shoot. But they are moronic, and we do need to just shut them up and destroy what's left of that toxic hate movement.

Besides fate is not without a cruel sense of humour. The worst ones end up removing themselves from the gene pool.

http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2010/12/07 ... xhaustion/

EDIT: You should look her up. She could use some of that special PTSmorrow-luvvin'.


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15 Sep 2011, 12:36 pm

Assuming this pose of yours and reinforcing it daily with internet searches for the musings of other haters is not going to help you long term. What woman wants to be in a relationship with a woman hater? You can't hide it forever.

It seems to be a kind of special interest for you. Have you considered trains?



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15 Sep 2011, 12:41 pm

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Assuming this pose of yours and reinforcing it daily with internet searches for the musings of other haters is not going to help you long term. What woman wants to be in a relationship with a woman hater? You can't hide it forever.

It seems to be a kind of special interest for you. Have you considered trains?

it could be hard though... not as many angry ranty whiny blogs about how to manipulate and trash trains. :lol:


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Assuming this pose of yours and reinforcing it daily with internet searches for the musings of other haters is not going to help you long term. What woman wants to be in a relationship with a woman hater? You can't hide it forever.


Dalrock is happily married. As I understand it his wife is just as knowledgeable on this stuff as he is. I don't hate women, neither does he.


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15 Sep 2011, 1:41 pm

Okay, so he appears to be a conservative christian marriage fetishist and anti-feminist who links to Roissy and suggests using PUA to enhance your marriage. If his wife isnt suffering from Stockholm syndrome by now, it's a miracle.

He also seems to be against casual relationships for anyone, so that you follow him is puzzling.

I think it's further evidence that you are conflicted and don't know quite what you want other than to be angry with women. For example your thread about rape rates being exaggerated over in PPR. It's just a constant stream of this stuff.