The Anti-Gold Diggers Alarm System.

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19 Sep 2011, 2:55 am

In Grisha's previous thread about getting hit on, I posted that getting asked what I do for a living as one of the first few questions was a pet peeve of mine. Its so common, I don't think less of anyone asking me this. I am a little embarrassed that I don't have a more impressive profession. Also, I just find my job uninteresting to talk about. I would rather talk about things I enjoy doing in my free time. Maybe I should answer what my job is and then in the same breath, talk about what interests me.

I don't object to women who are interested in meeting someone who can eventually provide financial security through marriage. Preferably, they will be up front about it to avoid confusion.


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19 Sep 2011, 2:57 am

Eventually, if you give addicted threadstarters enough rope, they usually hang themselves.

Why not start one about vaginal odours and finish the job?



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19 Sep 2011, 3:35 am

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Eventually, if you give addicted threadstarters enough rope, they usually hang themselves.

Why not start one about vaginal odours and finish the job?


Too boring.



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19 Sep 2011, 3:38 am

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8714097/China-tries-to-stop-women-marrying-for-money-rather-than-love.html

In China's booming cities, prospective husbands are now routinely vetted about whether they own a house, and preferably also a car, before a match can be agreed. Tying the knot without a house as part of the deal is jokingly called a "naked marriage" and widely thought to be a risky choice.

"I would choose a luxury house over a boyfriend that always makes me happy without hesitation," said one 24-year-old contestant on If You Are the One, one of China's most popular television dating shows. "And my boyfriend has to have a monthly salary of 200,000 yuan (£18,900)," she demanded.

In a bid to temper the rising expectations of Chinese women, China's Supreme Court has now ruled that from now on, the person who buys the family home, or the parents who advance them the money, will get to keep it after divorce.

"Hopefully this will help educate younger people, especially younger women, to be more independent, and to think of marriage in the right way rather than worshipping money so much," said Hu Jiachu, a lawyer in Hunan province.

The ruling should also help relieve some of the burden on young Chinese men, many of whom fret about the difficulty of buying even a small apartment. China's huge property bubble has driven property prices in Shanghai up to £5,000 per square metre when annual salaries average just £6,000



The average salary in China doesn't exceed the $300 per month.



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19 Sep 2011, 5:59 am

Fnord wrote:
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.. most women are far too smart, far too self-sufficient, and far too ethical to ever consider manipulating and using a man this way.
You made me spill my coffee! :?

Yeah, the truth affect some people that way...

.. but not as much as other things. :roll:


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19 Sep 2011, 6:48 am

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Disclaimer: I am not saying that all women are like this. Nor am I even implying that most women are like this. I am saying that most women are far too smart, far too self-sufficient, and far too ethical to ever consider manipulating and using a man this way. It's that "one-tenth of one-percent" of all the women that a man will meet that will place greater importance on a man's financial status than on his integrity, honest, loyalty, and general trustworthiness that a man should watch out for.


Fnord, thank you for this.

As to the examples given, I'm aghast. I would likely throw up if I tried to do/say any of the things mentioned here. I'm horrified that there are apparently *actual* experiences that people are drawing these conclusions from. I've never met any women like this, not even women who do it tacitly. Most of the well-off couples I know are that way because they're partners in the money thing, the woman making as much or more than the men. {shrug} I could just live in a tiny bubble somewhere, but I don't think so. Most of the not-so-well-off couples I know also have an partnership where each person brings in about the same amount.

Oh, and where I live it's quite common to ask each other what you do for a living (men ask women, women ask men, men ask men, women ask women). If you think about it, most jobs are such that you spend the majority of your time there during the week, so it's an instant source of conversation. I find it fascinating to listen to what other people do, since we're all so specialized (it seems) these days. I also like to gauge whether the person enjoys their job. If not, then I change the subject.



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19 Sep 2011, 8:02 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
AGDAS: Anti-Gold Diggers Alarm System.

Maybe some of you women don't realize it, but most men usually don't like women who are wanting them for their wealth, men are also equipped with an instinct that make them very sensitive and very wary about any sign of interest in their wealth. It's the same for women who are wary about men being just interested in them just for sex, so you can say it's the equivalent of "does he want just me just for sex?" fear for men.

You can go boo-hoo about how unfair is this and how most of you aren't like this and don't mean by saying any of the things listed below as interest in wealth, but those are what trigger our biological AGDAS (The Anti-Gold Diggers/sugar babies Alarm System). You can't change that in us, so learn how to cope with it.

This list is useful for:
-The young Aspie males who still lack the AGDAS
-The Aspie females who may unintentionally say things and behave in a way that may trigger the men's AGDAS.
-The Aspie females who are wanting a rich man/ sugar daddy and want to go stealthy about it.
-The Aspie males who are seeing for sugar babies.



So here is the list of female responses/behaviors/signs that may trigger the male's Anti-Gold Diggers Alarm System:


-"What do you do for a living?": When it is asked as an introductory question , this is one of the most alarming signs , if you are a man be very wary of a woman asking you this question before anything else. If you are a woman, be sure to keep this question for later in the conversation, try to make it the 4th or 5th question, never the among first three, also avoid of showing interest in financial and career details from day one. A "How much do you make a year? " is even a much worse question, never use it.

- A woman showing a sudden interest in a male coworker after recent promotion: "ALARM! ALARM!", this is what our AGDAS would be screaming in our minds when this happens, my ladies. For the young male aspies, be very alarmed when this happen and proceed very cautiously. For the females, if you suddenly had an interest in a coworker who got a promotion recently, for whatever reason, wait for a while and then show interest very gradually, that would decrease the chance of trigging his alarm system.

-A woman who keeps dwelling about how she wants a successful or financially stable man: We men realize how much important financial stability for a relationship, but if the woman keeps dwelling around us, over and over again, how much she wants a man who is successful or financial stable man, that would just trigger our alarm system very highly. For men here, be very wary of women who keep whining about not finding a man who isn't successful or financially stable enough because she most probably wants a VERY successful and VERY financially stable man for her, any woman who is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love is most likely a gold digger.

For women here, in that case...silence about this preference would do you much better because you would only make any potential run.

-A woman who only suggest very expensive restaurants for dates: "ALARM! ALARM!!" For men, you should go "ALARM! ALARM!". For women, there's nothing wrong with home dinner or pizza sometimes.

-She treats you like a walking ATM machine: Whether you are her boyfriend/date/friend, if a girl keeps asking you for money on frequent basis, so "ALARM! ALARM!".

-She believes that she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions): For men, I think this is self-explanatory. For women who are like this, try to show more humbleness.


I don't need all of this since I am a good judge of personality. This is for innocent unsuspecting men whom are taken advantage of by women =/ You know I can delete people just like that, so if someone will ever want to be friends with me only so I give to him/her money I will just say thanks but no thanks and not talk to him/her again. And it's it's a person of the opposite sex trying to squeeze money out of you - for romantic relationship, that's only worse. Thumbs down for people like that.



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19 Sep 2011, 9:04 am

The OP's kind of a fail.

How can you tell if someone has alterior motives for liking you? You feel like they're projecting something onto you that you aren't and the feeling doesn't go away. You see someone's eyes light up at the wrong things.

A girl asking you what you do for a living or similar things could be nothing more than her feeling a quiet moment with someone she still doesn't know all that well and - with fear of silence being as obiquitus as it is - could just as easily be grabbing at straws to keep you talking.

Really you just need a good character radar and if it really makes no sense or seems arbitrary - reject it. You might lose a few innocents along the way but its better that than at best being a sugar daddy and at worst having a truly terrible marriage.


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19 Sep 2011, 12:10 pm

Be paranoid.

If you're right, you will feel vindicated. If you're wrong, you get a very pleasant surprise.

That was the TL;DR version of the OP :D


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19 Sep 2011, 12:45 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

-"What do you do for a living?": When it is asked as an introductory question , this is one of the most alarming signs , if you are a man be very wary of a woman asking you this question before anything else. If you are a woman, be sure to keep this question for later in the conversation, try to make it the 4th or 5th question, never the among first three, also avoid of showing interest in financial and career details from day one. A "How much do you make a year? " is even a much worse question, never use it.


I disagree as people can converse for quite a while before they actually get to asking each other questions. I think people frequently use occupation questions as ice breakers. It's frequently one of the first questions I get asked.

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
- A woman showing a sudden interest in a male coworker after recent promotion: "ALARM! ALARM!", this is what our AGDAS would be screaming in our minds when this happens, my ladies. For the young male aspies, be very alarmed when this happen and proceed very cautiously. For the females, if you suddenly had an interest in a coworker who got a promotion recently, for whatever reason, wait for a while and then show interest very gradually, that would decrease the chance of trigging his alarm system.


Maybe. I'd be suspicious.

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
-A woman who keeps dwelling about how she wants a successful or financially stable man: We men realize how much important financial stability for a relationship, but if the woman keeps dwelling around us, over and over again, how much she wants a man who is successful or financial stable man, that would just trigger our alarm system very highly. For men here, be very wary of women who keep whining about not finding a man who isn't successful or financially stable enough because she most probably wants a VERY successful and VERY financially stable man for her, any woman who is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love is most likely a gold digger.


I think there's a difference between financially stable and wealthy and I don't think a woman who wants a financially stable man is necessarily a gold digger. A man can have a relatively low income and still be financially stable due to the way he manages his money and his lifestyle. A man can also be wealthy and not financially stable (Nicholas Cage) Gold diggers generally want a man who is wealthy.

Some women just know what they want in life and for some of them that happens to be a life of financial stability or a rich guy. If she is honest about it I don't see the problem. At least she and the man both know what they are getting in the relationship.

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
-A woman who only suggest very expensive restaurants for dates: "ALARM! ALARM!!" For men, you should go "ALARM! ALARM!". For women, there's nothing wrong with home dinner or pizza sometimes.


On occasion, no. All the time, and has a fit if you propose a cheaper place, yes.

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
-She treats you like a walking ATM machine: Whether you are her boyfriend/date/friend, if a girl keeps asking you for money on frequent basis, so "ALARM! ALARM!".


Probably.

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
-She believes that she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions): For men, I think this is self-explanatory. For women who are like this, try to show more humbleness.


That sounds more like a b!tch than a gold digger.

I think you left out something important. Women who are gold diggers tend to have massive fits when they don't what they want as far as luxury goes. They will lock themselves in the bedroom or bathroom or stop talking to you if they don't get those $300 heels, or take them to that $100 a plate restaurant when you never agreed to anyway. They are frequently big on keeping up appearances and will want you to spend massive amounts of money to entertain guests even if it's an old friend from high school you have known forever but she has never met.

Be wary of women who are particularly made up all of the time, or look young for their age. It costs money to maintain that look.



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19 Sep 2011, 1:36 pm

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I disagree as people can converse for quite a while before they actually get to asking each other questions. I think people frequently use occupation questions as ice breakers. It's frequently one of the first questions I get asked.


Even when it's asked the first thing? before anything else?

Fine, let's drop this, i am tired of repeating myself on this one.


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Maybe. I'd be suspicious.

Be very suspicious.


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On occasion, no. All the time, and has a fit if you propose a cheaper place, yes.

No disagreement here.


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I think there's a difference between financially stable and wealthy and I don't think a woman who wants a financially stable man is necessarily a gold digger. A man can have a relatively low income and still be financially stable due to the way he manages his money and his lifestyle. A man can also be wealthy and not financially stable (Nicholas Cage) Gold diggers generally want a man who is wealthy.

Some women just know what they want in life and for some of them that happens to be a life of financial stability or a rich guy. If she is honest about it I don't see the problem. At least she and the man both know what they are getting in the relationship.


True, but when a single woman keeps whining and nagging about how she can't find a man who's successful and financially stable 'enough' , also I don't personally much differentiate between a gold digger and woman who loves a man just because of his money/financial stability. The first is someone who's eager to get benefits out of someone as fast as possible, the latter is wiser but both don't give crap for the man as a person. . A good person can appreciate his partner's financial resources, but a true gold digger appreciates only that.


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I think you left out something important. Women who are gold diggers tend to have massive fits when they don't what they want as far as luxury goes. They will lock themselves in the bedroom or bathroom or stop talking to you if they don't get those $300 heels, or take them to that $100 a plate restaurant when you never agreed to anyway. They are frequently big on keeping up appearances and will want you to spend massive amounts of money to entertain guests even if it's an old friend from high school you have known forever but she has never met.

Be wary of women who are particularly made up all of the time, or look young for their age. It costs money to maintain that look.


Also gold diggers usually feel entitled to get or receive the best in life, I think they're usually narcissists somehow.



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19 Sep 2011, 2:07 pm

This was probably said before in the last page, but I don't think "What do you do for a living" is gold digging. There is a distinction between wanting a man to be financially stable and independent and wanting to use him.

My opinion on gold digging:

The only reason a man is being used is because he allows himself to be used. Showering on a woman, gifts, money, expensive dates, to compensate for something he does not have, many times when a woman isn't even asking for it.