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MR20
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13 Nov 2011, 12:58 pm

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I'm not attacking any one, because we all go through at some stage both sides of that coin, but really when does one take a step back after constant rejection and actually take stock in an objective manner to the where, why and how of the situation?.

Any way flame me if you want, just my two cents.......


Yes you are. If you have a problem with me, address me directly instead of hiding behind snide comments. I don't have any dates or friends because of my appearance and qualities, (or lack thereof) not because of how I feel about myself and my attitude.

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What I'm getting at is that if you ground you're self in a healthy way and focus on self-improvement rather than the desire or need to be socially accepted in any way shape or form in the "normal" sense, you will more often than not find that you suddenly become attractive.


It seems like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth here. Isn't the "self-improvement" bs you people spout involves learning social skills and being able to act more normal? It seems like you can't have one without the other.

It doesn't really matter anyway, since I'm probably not capable of appearing "normal" enough to have friends and date.



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13 Nov 2011, 1:18 pm

Tough PUA: "LOL ofc those dumb sluts don't hate PUA's they just wanna bang me and even their mum wants to bang me lol dumb sluts."

Cool PUA: "Haha, I totally want to bang that dumb sluts mum and sister, all of them are f*****g hot and such whores"


PUA quotes. (my own creation, but well, it's all déjà vu :lol:)



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13 Nov 2011, 1:20 pm

MR20 wrote:
Isn't the "self-improvement" bs you people spout involves learning social skills and being able to act more normal?

No. You can improve yourself in ways that have nothing to do with social interactions.


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13 Nov 2011, 2:39 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Tough PUA: "LOL ofc those dumb sluts don't hate PUA's they just wanna bang me and even their mum wants to bang me lol dumb sluts."

Cool PUA: "Haha, I totally want to bang that dumb sluts mum and sister, all of them are f***ing hot and such whores"


PUA quotes. (my own creation, but well, it's all déjà vu :lol:)


Though your quotes seem extreme, I have actually seen similar on their forums... so that could easily have come from one of them...


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14 Nov 2011, 3:06 am

PUA forums is where I have learned good solid info



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14 Nov 2011, 2:19 pm

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Men need to understand that approaching women out of nowhere rarely works for anybody because women are humans and don't want to be harassed by a random stranger they meet on the street. (Maybe not even at a club).


If he's interesting and fun, and the woman likes to flirt, it's not harassment. It's a game.

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Cold approach is not just an Aspie problem. NTs don't have much luck with it either. It's because it's an unnatural way to approach a girl. It's because men who do it often aren't interested in women as friends or acquaintances; they often don't see them as equal fellow human beings.


Aspies especially have trouble with any approach. Cold or warm. Due to inexperience.
It's miserable to build up months of contact and then find out a woman is not interested. And she is the only one you've been pursuing. Due to time constraints.
Better to just go around and see if there's someone who "thinks you're cute" or something random like that. That gives the guy some experience dating.

I would note that most men have a mother, sisters, female cousins, friends at school growing up, etc. They know that women have depth.



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14 Nov 2011, 2:40 pm

SoftlyStepping wrote:
If he's interesting and fun, and the woman likes to flirt, it's not harassment. It's a game.


It depends. Some women like to flirt only to make themselves feel better. They want to be wanted. Others feel good when they dress up nicely and go out with friends. But it doesn't mean they want random people to approach them. And even if they do, it doesn't mean they want anything to do with them (the men who approach).

And I really hate when people call anything related to dating a "game". "Game" implies dishonesty; dating and relationships should all be about honesty. (Am I being naive here?)

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Aspies especially have trouble with any approach.


This is why advocating a technique that doesn't even work for NTs is bad. Aspies need to be in situations that don't make them nervous and that let them be who they are, as much as they can. This is why talking to females after a college class is better than approaching random women at a bar. Your friends from college might stay your friends and not girlfriends, but that's how you make friends. She might tell her female friend about you and introduce you to a potential girlfriend. This is how most people, NTs or not, meet.

By doing some silly, pathetic PUA tactics, you're not learning anything. You are not building the experience. You might be getting a bit of experience at approaching random people, but it's not really helpful for your social skills or your love life. If you want to build confidence, approach random people but outside the dating context.

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It's miserable to build up months of contact and then find out a woman is not interested.


Having a new friend is never a waste of time. Still, I do think people should learn how to recognize if she's interested and not let themselves be confused about it for months. Personally, I always asked the person if they were interested in me in "that way" or not. Not straight away, but instead of learning PUA crap, Aspies, in my opinion, should learn how to recognize a relationship development and how to recognize if people are interested in them as friends, or partners, or whatever.

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I would note that most men have a mother, sisters, female cousins, friends at school growing up, etc. They know that women have depth.


But PUAs don't act like they see women as fully human. Women are "targets" and other sort of objects. They should be attacked in large numbers to get one, because every woman is basically the same, so there's no difference, right? Oh, wait. I forgot. Women aren't the same; they are classified based on their physical appearance on the 1-10 scale. :roll:

This is how PUA think, and this is what makes it all so disgusting. I sympathize with Aspie guys and I know they often have a problem finding a girlfriend because they're socially awkward... But people, PUA is not a solution.