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17 Nov 2011, 10:13 am

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I prefer lanky guys, much cuter. I don't find muscles sexy at all, kind of a turn off.

Does that mean I'm hot? :wink:

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17 Nov 2011, 10:23 am

In threads like "post a hot male celeb" , "sexiest guys". the post an attractive male from google image ...etc

Most of you girls (yes, included those on WP), often post guys with 6-packs, slight 6-packs, or swimmer bodies at the very least.

That's why we guys take this "false" (is it really false?) idea that most girls like 6-packs, it's from their (and most of yours) reactions on forums, media, tv , and even their reactions in reality when they look at TV/magazines...etc

But, usually, once you are confronted directly with the question, suddenly, most of you claim that you like bellies, skinnies or no-packs....

So what's this all about?

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17 Nov 2011, 10:30 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

In threads like "post a hot male celeb" , "sexiest guys". the post an attractive male from google image ...etc

Most of you girls (yes, included those on WP), often post guys with 6-packs, slight 6-packs at the very least.

That's why we guys take this "false" (is it really false?) idea that most girls like 6-packs, it's from their (and most of yours) reactions on forums, media, tv , and even their reactions in reality when they look at TV/magazines...etc

Now once you are confronted directly with the question, suddenly, most of you claim that you like bellies, skinnies or no-packs....

So what's this all about?

Go to Google images.
Search on "hot guys"
What comes up?
Are we supposed to dig through to find one that DOESN'T have a six pack? This is very much a collective cultural thing, not merely a women's preference thing.
Should we dig through our personal collection of photos of our signficant others? Thanks to the cultural collective, even men are ashamed to be photographed with no shirt on, now. Someone I know well (male) recently lost 30 pounds, according to him. I hadn't noticed, and he was offended. It just doesn't strike me like that, that kind of careful monitoring of his outward appearance or how he values that outward appearance as the be-all and end-all of his self-esteem. EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT.

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17 Nov 2011, 10:45 am

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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

In threads like "post a hot male celeb" , "sexiest guys". the post an attractive male from google image ...etc

Most of you girls (yes, included those on WP), often post guys with 6-packs, slight 6-packs at the very least.

That's why we guys take this "false" (is it really false?) idea that most girls like 6-packs, it's from their (and most of yours) reactions on forums, media, tv , and even their reactions in reality when they look at TV/magazines...etc

Now once you are confronted directly with the question, suddenly, most of you claim that you like bellies, skinnies or no-packs....

So what's this all about?

I tried Googling like you suggested, and it was pretty much generic young, muscular guys with very low bodyfat - no one that really looks like me at all...

But when I started an "ideal person" photo thread a while ago, almost no one posted the generic "hot guy" type. In fact, most were older and in good (but not stereotypically "perfect") shape and even had an interesting/unique character. It was very encouraging actually.

Anyway, I've given up my quest for a "6-pack" in favor of how I am right now. I've recently lost 25lbs but I still have a little handful of fat on my belly and my paramour says she likes it that way - that's good enough for me.

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17 Nov 2011, 10:45 am

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Through my teen years, I've gone from being 140 to 200lbs+ at 6'3 with visible abs and muscularity, I was very thin and had no muscularity before I started working out, I'd say that what really drove me to work out was being self conscious and insecure and I noticed it more so than others, it also helped me to connect to other males who were interested in sports and weightlifting and form friendships. If you're a male, working out can definitely be beneficial mentally and build confidence in that aspect, I also find it to a be a positive outlet and help me mentally so it has benefited me in many ways.

I love how figure skating has changed things for the better with me. I went from 215 pounds to 180s in like 6 months. Also, I recently started lifting to improve my skating, and that's been sweet, too. Just some basic powerlifting stuff, and I love it. It gives you so much better power for skating, but even just in daily life, carrying groceries, lifting boxes, all that. Oddly, what's been sorta cool, I do pretty much no arm isolation workouts (occasionally I'll use an arm bike, but that's very occasional) and my arms have gotten to be much better looking, just doing deadlifts and stuff.

Socially, ice skating is neat, you meet lots of girls, actually. Still, I'm not really elite enough to really like, "bother" lots of the figure skating girls, and I'll likely not be in that position for a while, so I usually don't talk to them unless they speak to me. But, you meet people and whatnot. It's cool. At the gym, I can't say I've made super meaningful social connections or anything, but people are relatively nice there, give me good advice, all that. I probably appear to be really weird, as I show up in jeans and do deadlifts and clean and jerks then play around on a slideboard. I don't really show up looking the part. But yeah, gym people are usually pretty cool and respectful and stuff. I remember one guy offered to be my workout partner, cuz I knew him from when he worked at a grocery store. It never worked out, but yeah, people are relatively friendly at gyms, really.

It's definitely a good outlet for aggression and a good way to form friendships and build bonds, out of all my male friends, I can't really think of any that I don't discuss working out with on a regular basis and also having friends that work out puts me in a competitive environment and pushes me even further to work out and lead an active lifestyle. I think that a competitive environment is good for males, actually I think as males, it's natural for us to be competitive in a positive way. Working out definitely helped me feel more confident, more strong in myself and it helped me to overcome depression and anxiety. As I've always said, people shouldn't workout to please some media standard or someone's idea of perfect but to empower themselves and to stimulate their mind and body, some people do genuinely work out simply because it benefits them, not to be some poster boy on the wall of a teenage girl.

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17 Nov 2011, 10:53 am

Wolfheart wrote:

Very well said, especially the bolded part.

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17 Nov 2011, 10:57 am

Grisha wrote:

Anyway, I've given up my quest for a "6-pack" in favor of how I am right now. I've recently lost 25lbs but I still have a little handful of fat on my belly and my paramour says she likes it that way - that's good enough for me.

See, I think this is *wonderful*. Always try to be the best *you* that you can be, but do it for you and not for external validation. And congratulations on the new situation! Very, very cool! It heartens me. :viking:

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17 Nov 2011, 10:58 am

keira wrote:

Wolfheart wrote:

Very well said, especially the bolded part.

I agree, Wolfheart and keira. I'm close to 45, and I still work out regularly. I will never be poster material, and I don't really care. I *feel* better when I'm working out regularly, I sleep better, my moods are more readily regulated, etc. It's not about the mirror.

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17 Nov 2011, 11:14 am

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It's a minority of women who make a big issue of what kind shape their partner is in. Just as it's a minority of men who do the same with their partners. I think it's healthy for both genders to remember that the pressure you feel to look a certain way is not always indicative of the other gender's actual expectations.

i agree with this.

for me, i am attracted to a person's appearance, but they can have all different kinds of "looks" so it hard to explain exactly how appearance plays a role for me except to say that it is something about the whole overall impression that attracts me. so if i like a guy and he happens to have a 6-pack, then awesome! if i like a guy and he happens to have a belly, then awesome!

i admire people who have ripped muscles just like i admire people who have amazing Z-scale train layouts. i think it's cool if people devote time and energy to something interesting.

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17 Nov 2011, 11:28 am

keira wrote:

Wolfheart wrote:

Very well said, especially the bolded part.

Thanks

mv wrote:

That's good to hear, I don't think beauty can dictated or labelled as everyone has different preferences and perspectives on what it is, it's how you feel in yourself that's truly important. I don't think there's anything more attractive than someone who's confident or comfortable in their own skin, I think the media certainly puts unrealistic expectations and pressure on people until it gets to the point where teenagers in High Schools are taking steroids and young girls are starving themselves to the point of death.

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i admire people who have ripped muscles just like i admire people who have amazing Z-scale train layouts. i think it's cool if people devote time and energy to something interesting.

That's true, everything in life that is worth achieving takes a certain amount of time, patience and devotion. Weightlifting does show a certain degree of determination, discipline and self motivation but it can also be showed in other ways. For instance, musicians are attractive because they have the confidence to express themselves musically to others and use it as an outlet, comedians who work on their wit and humor for hours on end certainly bring something interesting to the table, someone who devotes hours to drawing and being a good painter or tattoo artist shows innovation, creativity and the ability to express that through art.

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17 Nov 2011, 11:50 am

mv wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

In threads like "post a hot male celeb" , "sexiest guys". the post an attractive male from google image ...etc

Most of you girls (yes, included those on WP), often post guys with 6-packs, slight 6-packs at the very least.

That's why we guys take this "false" (is it really false?) idea that most girls like 6-packs, it's from their (and most of yours) reactions on forums, media, tv , and even their reactions in reality when they look at TV/magazines...etc

Now once you are confronted directly with the question, suddenly, most of you claim that you like bellies, skinnies or no-packs....

So what's this all about?

Quote:

Go to Google images.
Search on "hot guys"
What comes up?
Are we supposed to dig through to find one that DOESN'T have a six pack?

I am not implying what you are supposed to dig through, just stating my observation.

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This is very much a collective cultural thing,

It became a collective cultural thing because....?

Quote:

not merely a women's preference thing.

No, it became common because it is a common women's preference. We can say the same about why "curviness" in women is a collective cultural thing.

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Should we dig through our personal collection of photos of our signficant others? Thanks to the cultural collective, even men are ashamed to be photographed with no shirt on, now. Someone I know well (male) recently lost 30 pounds, according to him. I hadn't noticed, and he was offended. It just doesn't strike me like that, that kind of careful monitoring of his outward appearance or how he values that outward appearance as the be-all and end-all of his self-esteem. EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT.

The user can always cheat the thread's rule and change 1 keyword if she really finds 6-packs too unsexy/unappealing. It's not like no one does it.

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17 Nov 2011, 12:01 pm

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mv wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

In threads like "post a hot male celeb" , "sexiest guys". the post an attractive male from google image ...etc

Most of you girls (yes, included those on WP), often post guys with 6-packs, slight 6-packs at the very least.

That's why we guys take this "false" (is it really false?) idea that most girls like 6-packs, it's from their (and most of yours) reactions on forums, media, tv , and even their reactions in reality when they look at TV/magazines...etc

Now once you are confronted directly with the question, suddenly, most of you claim that you like bellies, skinnies or no-packs....

So what's this all about?

Ideal partner's photo =! generically hot guy that you find attractive.

Your thread was called "Post a photo of your ideal partner", when it comes to idealism, there are many attributes other than (and more important than) athletic body or 6-packs taken into consideration in their choices, such as charisma, talents and achievements.

Looking back at your thread, most guys'photos posted there are highly handsome (and yes, commonly culturally handsome), and their bodies aren't much far than the commonly culturally what's considered hot/athletic (even some are 6-packed), it just happened they didn't post the shirtless pics (same for the women's pics there).

taylor lautner? rick hoffman ? jake gyllenhaal? Jared Leto ? joseph gordon ? hell even matthew gray , they're all from athletic to average athletic, not to forget they're all exceptionally handsome-looking which would compensate any lack of athleticism, in case there's any.

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17 Nov 2011, 12:11 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Your thread was called "Post a photo of your ideal partner", when it comes to idealism, there are many attributes other than (and more important than) athletic body or 6-packs taken into consideration in their choices, such as charisma, talents and achievements.

Um, which come through in photographs? This is my disconnect, it seems.

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17 Nov 2011, 12:15 pm

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Um, which come through in photographs? This is my disconnect, it seems.

In Grisha's thread, users image-googled the name of a person whom they fancy for more than one reason (like the ones I mentioned above), and posted his/her photo in the thread.

It's not the same when you're asked to pick a random guy that you find attractive out of 100s of photos.

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17 Nov 2011, 12:16 pm

mv wrote:

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Um, which come through in photographs? This is my disconnect, it seems.

Of course they don't. That thread was all about the physical appearance and nothing more.

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17 Nov 2011, 12:17 pm

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mv wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Um, which come through in photographs? This is my disconnect, it seems.

Of course they don't. That thread was all about the physical appearance and nothing more.

No, in Grisha's thread it didn't happen to be the case. Even if this was Grisha's intention.

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