aspie men and DPD effecting dating.

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10 Feb 2012, 6:55 am

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from what Ive observed lots of aspies get involved in co-dependent relationships where they are enablers of people with drug/drink/personality problems and feel they have to rescue a person and help them (rather than going for equal relationships where the person does not 'need' them) I think this is to do with low esteem and the aspie not feeling good enough as they are because of the aspergers and feeling they have to bring something else (helping) to the relationship.

I tend to agree but it's not quite like that in my case. I am very aware that I have lots of problems, disabilities & things that limit me but I don't have low self-esteem. I think I have lots of great qualities but others can be very shallow & judgmental sometimes. Lots don't really take the time to try to get to know & understand me well enough to see beyond my limitations, disabilities, differences ect. People with problems tend to be misunderstood & misjudged like I tend to be so I believe in giving people a chance & trying to know more about them before writing them off. People with problems sometimes have lots of great qualities that most people may not try & take time to realize; like being very sympathetic, supportive & caring like I am, Maybe what is sometimes seen as enabling & rescuing is them being supportive of each other & helping each other become better people.

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From what I've read, most people with DPD do have low self esteem. Part of the DPD is looking to others for validation, guidance, or approval, because they don't believe their own actions, thoughts, opinions or decisions are good enough. They are only "good enough" if someone else agrees. Many times, a person with DPD will change an opinion or decision based on what someone else says.

ETA; Probably the worst pairing for someone with DPD (aspie or not, but it's probably worse with AS involved) is someone with narcissistic personality disorder or borderline personality disorder. They can be very manipulative and selfish, and the DPD would cause the effected partner to easily be manipulated into feeding the other person's ego or desires, even to the point of self neglect and lowering their already low self esteem. With a pair up like that, the DPD/AS partner could conceivable lose all image of "self" and become dependent on their partner to completely define who they are for them, and be utterly lost without them. It could create a situation of very unhealthy dependence.

Your rite. The only theory I've heard of about the causes of DPD(besides the typical generic stuff they say about personality disorders in general which is a combination of genetics & environmental factors that don't go into specifics) is that people with DPD were discouraged from being independent. They look for others for approval because they come from environments where they weren't allowed to make decisions on their own; like their parents may of been extremely contorting & protective. I look to others because my analytical ability works a lot better when I can bounce ideas with someone. I can get a different perspective & analyze things from different angles.

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artrat wrote:
Why does this just apply to aspie males?

well it was about love and dating and should not have been moved. I don't think aspie women with DPD would have so much trouble dating as generally (in my culture) men would not mind 'looking after' a dependent women and might in fact like it.

That's BS and sexist! If a woman has no self-confidence and an inferiority complex then they can't attract a man.
With DPD than it can be torture. I fit almost all of the diagnosis criteria so I should know.


Sure they can attract a man. A certain type of man is attracted to women like that. My friend with DPD was married for a long time and they had a house full of kids. It's usually men who like to manipulate, or men who like to control who are attracted to them. I know in her case quite a few men have been attracted to her since her divorce but she's ran them all off with her clinginess and belief that the relationship was more than it was at the time. She's not going to be able to find a decent man until she is further along in her therapy and can stop a lot of the DPD behaviors.

It's not always guys who manipulate or control. I LOVE women like that because I'm very caring, I want to spend as much time as I can with my partner & I feel bad when I know somethings' wrong so I want to help make it better. Independent people would push me away when I think getting close & dissuading things would help us both feel better & maybe work out a better solution to the problem


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10 Feb 2012, 11:16 am

OliveOilMom wrote:
From what I've read, most people with DPD do have low self esteem. Part of the DPD is looking to others for validation, guidance, or approval, because they don't believe their own actions, thoughts, opinions or decisions are good enough. They are only "good enough" if someone else agrees. Many times, a person with DPD will change an opinion or decision based on what someone else says.

ETA; Probably the worst pairing for someone with DPD (aspie or not, but it's probably worse with AS involved) is someone with narcissistic personality disorder or borderline personality disorder. They can be very manipulative and selfish, and the DPD would cause the effected partner to easily be manipulated into feeding the other person's ego or desires, even to the point of self neglect and lowering their already low self esteem. With a pair up like that, the DPD/AS partner could conceivable lose all image of "self" and become dependent on their partner to completely define who they are for them, and be utterly lost without them. It could create a situation of very unhealthy dependence.


I've never been diagnosed with it, but I am about 99.7% certain I have DPD, or at least had it. I fell into very DPD behavior patterns with my ex wife. I come from a childhood both my parental figures were highly protective, sheltering, and simultaneously exacting and strict, some would say controlling. So it was learned behavior to me. Joining the military at 18 likely did not help this behavior, it likely served only to enhance by dependency on guidance and instruction, and even commands.

I was immediately drawn to my ex, it was almost compulsory. And it was great for a short time, absolutely wonderful. Unfortunately, her need to control me was ever growing, and she demanded continually greater self sacrifice. I eventually felt as if I were a nonperson, and lost all idea who I even was. I'll keep to the abridged version, but it was bad, very...very bad. I gave upon my morals, my ethics, my emotions, everything that one could identify about a person that made them who they are, she demanded it. But what was really sick, was that she never straightforwardly asked anything of me, the way I was manipulated was masterful.

She is diagnosed with Narcissistic PD. And her ability to manipulate is the best I've seen from anyone, ever.

The only thing I had going for me, despite the DPD behaviors and general relationship dynamic one would expect in a pair up with NPD, was that at the core, I did not have self esteem issues. I over valued her, yes, but I did not undervalue myself. I eventually managed to escape the relationship, and after several years of personal healing time, have (imo) made a full recovery.


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10 Feb 2012, 11:28 am

The-Raven wrote:
I think aspies who are not moaning about how they cant get a date are as you say but the ones who find singledom particularly unbearable and make a lot of the moany posts might have DPD.


That's no worse though then some people who complain that nobody likes them for who they are, then outright reject/ignore anyone who dares to show any interest in them. Either way it's casting a rod for your own back and leaving yourself open to criticism.

Neurology really isn't the issue here. Some people are over-dependant, some are not, and then others are just hypocrites who only want what they can't have.


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