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27 Apr 2012, 11:23 pm

your obsession with that girl is preventing you from truly advancing in your dating life. if you are still looking backwards at a long lost love, you will never move forwards with someone new. you have to let that all go.


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27 Apr 2012, 11:23 pm

and if the television is discouraging you, than stop watching those shows. i find the news depresses me, so... i don't watch it.


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28 Apr 2012, 4:06 am

hyperlexian wrote:
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mmmmhmmmm i sensed an agenda.


The guys on here who posted all the "nice guys" threads made it look like men are not allowed to have standards and just have to hope they are "picked", and that upsets me a lot.

nobody said they can't have standards


Oh, there's nothing wrong with having standards.
It's just that expecting a relationship/sex with someone because you spoke politely to them or helped them with their homework is a bit ridiculous.


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28 Apr 2012, 4:09 am

You're just more likely to get used.



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28 Apr 2012, 8:42 am

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there isn't any double standard in society that you can judge or measure base on daytime television programs.


Go back in time and say that to the NAACP when you hear them complain about Amos 'n' Andy.


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28 Apr 2012, 9:10 am

The two sides that have come up are "things said on TV should be taken seriously" and "things said on TV should NOT be taken seriously".

I feel we've been talking past each other on that for long enough to make some of the folks on both side irritated.

My position is that "Things said on TV should NOT be taken seriously", but I'm not blind to the damage TV can cause to its audience and even the people who have to live with its audience.

TV programs focus on social issues (trivial or serious), and thrive on confirming preconceptions that market research picked up. Unless they do not care about profit, the stations give their target audience what they want. This is true even if it means they promote horrible stereotypes. Profit and social responsibility go together like two magnets with the same charge.

The fact that someone would complain about these shows is not at all surprising. If enough shows with big enough audiences were geared against you or members of a group you identify with, you would feel insecure too.

As I said earlier, I'm not as worried about the shows as much as I am the fact they have an audience. The size of the audience that persistently watches trashy shows most certainly DOES give you some idea about how much of society might agree with them.

After feeling more and more insecure about your identity, imagine someone telling you all of your problems could be solved by "just not watching it". Yeah, that helps, but it doesn't solve the entire problem. :?

People acting like they are too big to be hurt by mass media do not take the time to realize that they are surrounded on all sides by the people who agree with the shows. Studios have catered to existing stereotypes that are clearly wrong for years, hence my mention of the NAACP and Amos 'n' Andy.

When I say don't take shows seriously, I agree with the old claim that one should not feel directly attacked. However, you could be indirectly attacked by audiences that grew enough to influence social norms at the expense of others.


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28 Apr 2012, 2:09 pm

sage_gerard wrote:
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there isn't any double standard in society that you can judge or measure base on daytime television programs.


Go back in time and say that to the NAACP when you hear them complain about Amos 'n' Andy.

you missed the point. both men and women can find examples of how their gender is misrepresented and mistreated on television.

and it has absolutely nothing to do with Tim_Tex's dating situation.


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28 Apr 2012, 2:12 pm

sage_gerard wrote:
The two sides that have come up are "things said on TV should be taken seriously" and "things said on TV should NOT be taken seriously".

I feel we've been talking past each other on that for long enough to make some of the folks on both side irritated.

My position is that "Things said on TV should NOT be taken seriously", but I'm not blind to the damage TV can cause to its audience and even the people who have to live with its audience.

TV programs focus on social issues (trivial or serious), and thrive on confirming preconceptions that market research picked up. Unless they do not care about profit, the stations give their target audience what they want. This is true even if it means they promote horrible stereotypes. Profit and social responsibility go together like two magnets with the same charge.

The fact that someone would complain about these shows is not at all surprising. If enough shows with big enough audiences were geared against you or members of a group you identify with, you would feel insecure too.

As I said earlier, I'm not as worried about the shows as much as I am the fact they have an audience. The size of the audience that persistently watches trashy shows most certainly DOES give you some idea about how much of society might agree with them.

After feeling more and more insecure about your identity, imagine someone telling you all of your problems could be solved by "just not watching it". Yeah, that helps, but it doesn't solve the entire problem. :?

People acting like they are too big to be hurt by mass media do not take the time to realize that they are surrounded on all sides by the people who agree with the shows. Studios have catered to existing stereotypes that are clearly wrong for years, hence my mention of the NAACP and Amos 'n' Andy.

When I say don't take shows seriously, I agree with the old claim that one should not feel directly attacked. However, you could be indirectly attacked by audiences that grew enough to influence social norms at the expense of others.

^^^maybe someone else will address your points, but i think you are missing the point of the thread.


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28 Apr 2012, 2:57 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
quality tv



Hah Hah. Isn't that an oxymoron?



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28 Apr 2012, 2:58 pm

rabbittss wrote:
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quality tv



Hah Hah. Isn't that an oxymoron?

for the most part, yes.


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28 Apr 2012, 3:00 pm

I knew we would agree on something eventually.



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28 Apr 2012, 3:02 pm

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I knew we would agree on something eventually.

YES!


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28 Apr 2012, 3:57 pm

smudge wrote:

Take for example a very well known lie that most men I've met have used:

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"My phone battery died"
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It's not just smack-you-in-the-face obvious that it's a lie - it's that the woman is insulted that the man could possibly believe she'd fall for it. He must think she is completely stupid in order to fall for such a lie. That's why women get especially pissed off. Every lie the man tells - with intent or not - ends up belittling the woman, because she can see right through him. There is a lot of truth to this.


Or, ya know, their Phone Battery could have legitimately died!

It does happen occasionally. I use my phone so seldomly that it dies all the time due to me forgetting to charge it.



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28 Apr 2012, 4:01 pm

Ive had my phone battery die before and not allowed me to talk with someone. ve also had my car break down and not allowed me to meet, pretty much anything that you consider "a dumb excuse" is something that is very plausible.