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27 May 2012, 6:46 am

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So you're saying for a person who suffers from an disorder that limits social confidence that having social confidence is the key?
Like I said, the fundamental problem is the system. It's like I'm a Mac and you're advising me to purchase Service Packs for Windows.

I've never once seen any advert for Shine or even heard of it before, it's media awareness is none - I had youtube 'Shine Cancer' and even the first response was "Together, we can shine a light on breast cancer and turn the whole world pink! " Which about sums up my entire point on Prostrate Cancer.

Yes, I have heard of Bobby Moore - who hasn't seen THAT photo?

We're going really off topic here but women shouldn't be penalized for having made a greater movement to raise awareness on breast or cervical cancer than say what men have done for prostate cancer. There have been prostate cancer ads on UK telly in recent years, and the reason it doesn't get as much funding is because frankly we don't get behind it enough.

In regards to the confidence thing. I can't expect anyone with AS to just go out and get it. I still lack a fair bit of confidence. However, there are certain things you can do (CBT, helplines, lifestyle changes, speech therapy, activity groups, certain job types, research on forums etc.) that can help increase your confidence. A few months ago my confidence was almost shattered entirely by a very personal event but things such as those I listed helped me boost it tremendously. Varying levels of AS might have difficulty gaining X levels of confidence if any at all, but there are always at least things that can be tried.

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27 May 2012, 6:46 am

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27 May 2012, 7:32 am

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And there are battered men too, but it's a question of frequency. I'd have to say that when it comes to approaching, the risks seem somewhat higher for men; overall risks I think are either equal or higher for women, but in that one particular activity, there is more risk for men, I think.

Yeah, life's great when we make up our own facts and speculate, speculate, speculate.

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I'm not talking about internal/emotional risks, but quite tangible and sometimes very serious consequences. A man who doesn't understands the boundaries of what's acceptable and what's not runs a good risk of legal repercussions, for instance.

And women who don't understand social boundaries get into situations where they get raped.

Life's great when we keep a running tally of who "suffers" more.

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27 May 2012, 7:34 am

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Sorry, I was expecting at least one personal experience to form a concrete part of your reply, as the various situations where a girl, or woman has been publicly humiliated/rejected/beaten up because she tried to approach a guy in a public place - and I count schoolparks and grounds as public - just because she was a girl.

I do.

But I'm not interested in playing "dueling anecdotes."

I prefer actual data.

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If this was going to expand into an debate on the abuse of ignoring men's health and emotional wellbeing, can someone please explain why Prostrate Cancer receives less than HALF funding, support & media awareness compared to Breast Cancer when Prostrate Cancer kills over THIRTY THOUSAND GUYS A YEAR? Or how Male Rape is stigma, along with Mental Health, Domestic Abuse and declining standards in education?

Because men haven't gotten off their collective a$$es to do anything about it.

Next question.

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27 May 2012, 7:39 am

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What ill remind you is that the dogma of the LnD forum is people like you who pretend everything is all dudleydooright all over.

No one even came close to saying this. Try again.

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The both of you (and all the other women who continually post in this manner) want this sorts of inustices to end? Guess what blaming men is just going to make it stronger.

No has "blamed men" for anything. But I find it very telling that you automatically jump into "victimhood mode."

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Until women take a real step into equality by having a more active and not reactive role in society we will continue having this sort of thing happen. Its in the hands of women, simple as that. Im sure youll remind me all about how "ohh its harder for women, as proof look at how many female CEOs exist". Which again is due not to men being these monsters, but to women overall ot taking the active role.

That has absolutely nothing to do with anything in this topic.

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27 May 2012, 7:40 am

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I never said women should be penalized, I'm saying how little funding Prostrate Cancer gets compared to Breast Cancer, not to mention the other 200 odd types of Cancer.

As for not enough support or voice, it's the same with other men's issues - less men are admitting to Mental Health problems, but have a much higher percentage of completed suicides...society doesn't want to listen and ignores us when we do. Fathers for Justice campaigned publicity for more equality and have achived nothing. Why speak up when we will be ignored or humiliated or accused of being sexist?

Where is our answer, our flag and campaign, with, not against feminism but to fight for greater equality? There is none.

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27 May 2012, 7:45 am

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Yeah, life's great when we make up our own facts and speculate, speculate, speculate.

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And women who don't understand social boundaries get into situations where they get raped.

Life's great when we keep a running tally of who "suffers" more.

Most women who get raped are regular women and most rapist aren't basement dwellers who play World of Warcraft. The only case I can think of here in Norway (where one out of ten women are raped at one point in their life), was when a girl went on an after party at a reception center for immigrants.

Most women who don't understand social boundaries are happily married, live in a house and have kids, like women who understand social boundaries.

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27 May 2012, 7:49 am

Kurgan wrote:

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edgewaters wrote:

Yeah, life's great when we make up our own facts and speculate, speculate, speculate.

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And women who don't understand social boundaries get into situations where they get raped.

Life's great when we keep a running tally of who "suffers" more.

Yeah, life's great when we make up our own facts, isn't it?

Come up with some actual data and get back to me when your done "speculating."

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27 May 2012, 7:50 am

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JanuaryMan wrote:

There will be when men get off their collective a$$es and do something about it.

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27 May 2012, 7:51 am

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JanuaryMan wrote:

As I've said before. This is off topic and if you care so much about it do something about it like FFJ. I'll be blunt and say I couldn't care less and would like to get on with the discussion at hand which is why we apparently have to put all this work into something that should be fun and meaningful, not missionary and depressing.

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27 May 2012, 7:55 am

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Kurgan wrote:

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edgewaters wrote:

Yeah, life's great when we make up our own facts and speculate, speculate, speculate.

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And women who don't understand social boundaries get into situations where they get raped.

Life's great when we keep a running tally of who "suffers" more.

Yeah, life's great when we make up our own facts, isn't it?

Come up with some actual data and get back to me when your done "speculating."

Make you should back up your claims first. Any respected professoonal will tell you that ANY girl can get raped (not just the socially awkward ones), that the victim almost always knows the rapist well and that many rapists are members of criminal gangs. Typically rapists are of foreign origin and from a culture where women are treated looked down upon.

My sources are mainly written in Nowegian.

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27 May 2012, 7:59 am

Okay, I'm just going to throw this out there so the mini feuds that are derailing this topic fizzle out:

Guys that feel you have to do all the work, why are you doing all the work?
If this dating thing sucks so much, why are you trying to go on repeat dates with people you didn't enjoy dating but like the look/sound of?
Ask yourselves that!

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27 May 2012, 8:00 am

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What claim? That socially awkward women can misunderstand social situations and get raped? Nothing you've said "disproves" that claim.

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My sources are mainly written in Nowegian.

Yeah, those sources that demonstrate that socially awkward girls live happily ever after in blissful marriages to great guys.

My sources prove that unicorns exist and are written in Middle Earth elfish.

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27 May 2012, 8:05 am

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DogsWithoutHorses wrote:

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DogsWithoutHorses wrote:

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Women do plenty of "work" and put up with just as much nonsense in the dating/love scene.

It's just that you choose not to acknowledge what women have to do/put up with as "work."

Oh, please do explain. Because I've never once seen any girl approach any guy, been rejected publicly, delibrately been rejected and ridculed, humiliated by an approach, been the target of homosexual chants because she was rejected by a guy, or beaten up for trying an approach with a guy who actually wasn't single by his girlfriend and friends but I have seen, heard, read & experienced (Not all of them!) those examples by guys who actually tried.

Obviously, I've switched the genders round to fit the answers you're about to give...

And because you'e never seen it it's not real.
I've never seen a billion dollars, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

And don't forget the dogma of the L&D forum:

Everything men experience is automatically harder than anything women experience.

Don't worry, we'll soon be reminded. :roll:

What ill remind you is that the dogma of the LnD forum is people like you who pretend everything is all dudleydooright all over.

The both of you (and all the other women who continually post in this manner) want this sorts of inustices to end? Guess what blaming men is just going to make it stronger. Until women take a real step into equality by having a more active and not reactive role in society we will continue having this sort of thing happen. Its in the hands of women, simple as that. Im sure youll remind me all about how "ohh its harder for women, as proof look at how many female CEOs exist". Which again is due not to men being these monsters, but to women overall ot taking the active role.

Eh, my opinions are not the dominant ones here. If I were to count up the posters responsible for misogynist craycray (which I would never do because personal attack) there would be more of them than people who I agree with (that number is around 3-4 depending)

I've never blamed men for anything but their own attitudes. Especially when that attitude in "woe is me".
You're displaying a marked ignorance of how oppression works. If you want to lecture on what women should do, maybe once and in while you should sit down and listen to a woman tell you what it's like to be one with an open mind without rushing to blame them for the world's ills.
Yes it's hard to be a man, it's hard to be alive.
but there's a way to vent about it that doesn't blame women who are collectively 0% responsible for that.
All that misogyny is just you guys giving up agency over your own lives and happiness.

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27 May 2012, 8:06 am

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Or if you're really daring, ask yourself the question, "If you were in the woman's shoes, would you date yourself?"

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27 May 2012, 8:24 am

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What claim? That socially awkward women can misunderstand social situations and get raped? Nothing you've said "disproves" that claim.

Nobody can prove a negative. However, socially skilled and extroverted women are just as likely to get raped. Most rapists are extroverted and confident (but highly manipulative) men.

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Yeah, those sources that demonstrate that socially awkward girls live happily ever after in blissful marriages to great guys.

Take a look at all the women here in happy, long-term relationships and then take a look at the men. Plenty of reasonably attractive men here who only get short term relationships and one night stands or don't lose their virginity until their mid 20's.

Take a look around you in real life. Notice how there are many uneducated and awkward women who are married. How many men who've been unemployed for years are?

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My sources prove that unicorns exist and are written in Middle Earth elfish.

Whatever floats your boat. Most likely it's not valid unless it's conducted by a team of professionals and represents are LARGE NUMBER of documented reports.

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