Males: do you consider yourself physically attractive?
My Mom tells me all the time that I'm attractive.
In High School I got 7 offers for sex from women I barely knew, but I had to work really damn hard to get a date and friends, so I guess I must be pretty but have a horrible personality. BTW I only accepted the 7th offer after despairing at forming some sort of emotional connection first.
It may have changed after I grew my hair out long and grew a beard.
That's my real face in my profile picture. You can behold its sexiness for yourself.
I'm thinking maybe autistic people are more attractive than average because it is harder for them to make friends and socialize, so they didn't reproduce as well if they didn't have something going for them like their looks or their intelligence. Maybe autism is just a lack of normal emotional responses and the intelligence (or good looks, but this is just a wild guess and I have no idea if it's true or not) that goes along with it is a consequence of everybody else being a bunch of buttheads who wouldn't let them get in their pants.
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only a prettyboy would say something that oblivious.
to be on topic, short answer no, long answer hell no
Imo, he's mostly right here. My speculations have lead me to believe that human concepts of beauty are determined primarily by three levels:
Evolutionary: This is where things such as finding deformities and individuals that appear to be sick unattractive, and who knows what other manner of other things, come into play. Basically, at this level, we're talking about things that are biologically wired into us. Those of our ancestors that didn't learn to stay AWAY from those with the debilitating deformities were unfortunately less successful from a biological standpoint.
Cultural: This is where you'll get things such as "fat people are hot/fat people are gross!", which often play into specific cultural context. For example, back in the day, only rich girls could afford to get fat, so they were the hottest things around. All it takes is one look at the paintings of Peter Paul Reuben to know this to be true. Nowadays getting fat is a trivial affair in first world countries, so the appeal has largely vanished. This is also where you get things such as how 100 years ago facial hair was considered very attractive in western society. Now, it's usually taken as a sign of being a bogan!
Personal: This is simple enough. Everyone has individual tastes. Even in a society full of skinny-loving males, you get no absence of men who love them some BBW.
Between the personal and cultural levels, there is plenty of subjectivity. Look at the differences in standards of beauty across the myriad of cultures today. Take that 10/10 from the US and show her to a bunch of African bushmen. They'll give her a 0/10. It's just how it is!
.......now as for the topic at hand? Well, people tend to state that I'm quite decent looking. Maybe a 7/10?
but even with all those things in place someone beautiful is likely to still be viewed as at minimum pretty by most. attractiveness dynamics dont change as much as you two make it sound.
only a prettyboy would say something that oblivious.
to be on topic, short answer no, long answer hell no
Imo, he's mostly right here. My speculations have lead me to believe that human concepts of beauty are determined primarily by three levels:
Evolutionary: This is where things such as finding deformities and individuals that appear to be sick unattractive, and who knows what other manner of other things, come into play. Basically, at this level, we're talking about things that are biologically wired into us. Those of our ancestors that didn't learn to stay AWAY from those with the debilitating deformities were unfortunately less successful from a biological standpoint.
Cultural: This is where you'll get things such as "fat people are hot/fat people are gross!", which often play into specific cultural context. For example, back in the day, only rich girls could afford to get fat, so they were the hottest things around. All it takes is one look at the paintings of Peter Paul Reuben to know this to be true. Nowadays getting fat is a trivial affair in first world countries, so the appeal has largely vanished. This is also where you get things such as how 100 years ago facial hair was considered very attractive in western society. Now, it's usually taken as a sign of being a bogan!
Personal: This is simple enough. Everyone has individual tastes. Even in a society full of skinny-loving males, you get no absence of men who love them some BBW.
Between the personal and cultural levels, there is plenty of subjectivity. Look at the differences in standards of beauty across the myriad of cultures today. Take that 10/10 from the US and show her to a bunch of African bushmen. They'll give her a 0/10. It's just how it is!
.......now as for the topic at hand? Well, people tend to state that I'm quite decent looking. Maybe a 7/10?
but even with all those things in place someone beautiful is likely to still be viewed as at minimum pretty by most. attractiveness dynamics dont change as much as you two make it sound.
Seconded.
You can't polish a turd, no matter how hard you try.
You keep saying that but you're hiding behind fruit... As far as we know you're as attractive as Tim "The Toolman" Taylor's hidden neighbour "Wilson".

That may be so, but you're hiding behind a hat and some sunglasses.
Yeah, but there's a certain level of overal physical attractiveness in a guy that most females seem to think the same of. I don't see a lot of girls going crazy about Stephen Hawking's looks for example.
Oh, but physicists (even non-attractive ones like Einstein) can be the biggest players ever. Einstein was with half a dozen lovers while being married, Feynman went to strip joints and was notorious for taking women home, and Schrodinger had an open marriage, among the ones that I know.
Say that to the African bushmen and the Inuit peoples, man! Sociologists and psychologists have been trying to unlock the mysteries of beauty for a long time, and aside from some biology-based stuff (sickness, deformities) and some symmetry-based stuff (golden ratios, etc), the determinants of beauty appear to be situationally, individually, and culturally dynamic, and quite extensively.
http://law.ubalt.edu/downloads/law_down ... e_Bush.pdf
Read that. If you can grasp the sheer difference in the way these African bushmen view the story of Hamlet compared to one of us Westerners, it's only a small step to realize that their perceptions of beauty are just as radically different.
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Lets see:
Good things:
-I get compliments on my eyes rather frequently and a female asked about them last week(it wasnt much of a flirting thing since she was just wondering why my eyes changed color through the day, but it still counts right?)
-I had a period where I was obsessed with going to the gym to the point of fracturing my hip because of putting it under too much pressure and while Ive sorta been avoiding the gym since(three months on clutches was no fun) Im still in good shape.
Just so you have an idea I told my friends I wanted to stay away from sugary drinks for a while last year and after hearing my weight they encouraged me to drink twice as much sugary drinks and Im not underweight.
Bad things:
-Ive had issues with my hair since I was 12. It runs in the family blah, blah, when you have been hearing people making jokes about it for about half of your life it gets to you.
Also I was at a meeting with people that have read a lot about finding a partner... and the only thing that they mentioned was that my posture looked unwelcoming and I was reluctant to touch(one of them tried to put a friendly arm around my shoulder just as we met, no thanks)
So Id say that Im average looking perhaps slightly above/under but I dont think that looks are whats getting in the way
My head tells me there's no such thing as global attractiveness, that it's all horses for courses, that especially with men a lot of attractiveness is in interpersonal style rather than body parameters, and that we should all focus on attracting the individual we want a relationship with and nobody else instead of swanning about trying to get the crowd horny.
My heart seems to mainly understand that message but still struggles with archaic programming........it's one thing to renounce sexual capitalism, it's another thing to render yourself penniless, though of course as we age, we'd best have learned to be dependent on something more enduring for our self-esteem. I wouldn't mind betting most of the primping I do is barely noticed by the opposite sex. I tend to get caught in this Aspie trap of thinking that if what I see in the mirror pleases me, then it'll please women too. So I spent my first few years after puberty looking rather like a girl. I got more of a handle on things later, which is just as well, or I'd never have believed bald men can be sexy, and I'd have been finished.
As a gut reaction, I usually find random photos of myself to be absolutely revolting and videos are even worse. If it weren't for the women I've had relationships with, I would think everybody saw me as I do.
So I don't consider myself particularly physically attractive or unattractive (logic), but there's a residual self-loathing that sometimes still makes me feel ugly and occasionally fools me into thinking that global attractiveness is important.
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Say that to the African bushmen and the Inuit peoples, man! Sociologists and psychologists have been trying to unlock the mysteries of beauty for a long time, and aside from some biology-based stuff (sickness, deformities) and some symmetry-based stuff (golden ratios, etc), the determinants of beauty appear to be situationally, individually, and culturally dynamic, and quite extensively.
http://law.ubalt.edu/downloads/law_down ... e_Bush.pdf
Read that. If you can grasp the sheer difference in the way these African bushmen view the story of Hamlet compared to one of us Westerners, it's only a small step to realize that their perceptions of beauty are just as radically different.
Perceptions of beauty do change, but not as much as you guys make it to be. You make it sound as a fairy tale where the frog can turn into a prince by just getting on a plane. Someone seen as a 10 in the western world will not drop below an 8 anywhere else in the world.
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