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08 Nov 2012, 11:35 am

I think the author's issue was the mindset of her husband "taking on" her and her child, like he decided to roll up his sleeves and get the job done. Coming together as a family unit is not the same as looking for a caretaker, or someone to insert into the missing nuclear family slot just to have the right equation.



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08 Nov 2012, 9:54 pm

I agree with meems. Everybody is really awful to that lady and the comments on the actual site are even worse.

I imagine it would be awful to be told on a regular basis for years on end that you aren't worthy of something that makes you happy.

You people just need to chill out.



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09 Nov 2012, 9:33 am

I have to agree that this lady should be more grateful and stop crying about it. If a guy was told the same thing, you can bet, especially if he's socially awkward, that he'd say "oh yeah, I am grateful and lucky." They might even self-deprecate themselves by saying "I don't know what she sees in me." That's what makes this lady's words seem even more selfish.

I'm not gonna say she should bow and scrape and kiss his feet, but dammit, a little humility is in order here.


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09 Nov 2012, 9:36 am

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Did anyone read article?? She speaks highly of her husband and repeatedly talks about how grateful she is to him.

How dare she feel like she doesn't need to be constantly reminded that she and her son don't deserve such a good man in their lives?

What a BS attitude to have about this lady
she deserves it but isnt entitled to it youare getting a lil too angry.


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09 Nov 2012, 9:39 am

ValentineWiggin wrote:
"Why is it that I need to feel grateful to a man for being a decent human being? For caring about a child that isn’t his biological son?"

Read more: http://mommyish.com/childrearing/step-p ... z2BcEjhluM

I rather like this bit. Who wants to constantly be made to feel like their partner is doing them some sort of favor?

And what does it say about our view of men that her husband is made out to be some kind of hero for loving her and her son? The post can be said to about a certain kind of misandry, I think, a conception of men as less-than-human in their capacities.
he is a a hero. he wants a wife not a wife and her kid. He is also the one who most likely supports the little runt as well lol. It's bad enough men have to pay all of the finance for their kids, but someone elses? I could also imagine how much the little runt has effected their sex life. This woman also sounds like a one child kind of woman, and so the hubby is screwed if he wants a kid for himself.


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09 Nov 2012, 9:41 am

I do find the notion that one decent human being should be grateful another decent human being has coupled with them ludicrous.
But in times where people are all but nice, I don't see the harm in being reminded how lucky one person is with their partner - not because their partner isn't doing them a favor, or there are implications they aren't worthy of their partner. Instead because there are a lot of people out there with no one, and furthermore a lot of people with abusive or terrible partners.

I can't help but feel while this woman has a valid point she was merely looking to write a feminist article based on not evaluating all the possible meanings of what her peers and family have been telling her. Having said that, I'm sure both her and her man are lucky to have found each other :)

Those trolls are brutal fiends btw, can't help but say I laughed at some of the obvious trollbait though.

EDIT: I will agree with one of the above comments. Much like a "nice guy" might deserve a good woman doesn't mean he's entitled to a good woman, a good woman that has also had some struggles is not automatically entitled to a (real) nice guy.



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09 Nov 2012, 3:03 pm

JanuaryMan wrote:
I do find the notion that one decent human being should be grateful another decent human being has coupled with them ludicrous.
But in times where people are all but nice, I don't see the harm in being reminded how lucky one person is with their partner - not because their partner isn't doing them a favor, or there are implications they aren't worthy of their partner. Instead because there are a lot of people out there with no one, and furthermore a lot of people with abusive or terrible partners.

I can't help but feel while this woman has a valid point she was merely looking to write a feminist article based on not evaluating all the possible meanings of what her peers and family have been telling her. Having said that, I'm sure both her and her man are lucky to have found each other :)

Those trolls are brutal fiends btw, can't help but say I laughed at some of the obvious trollbait though.

EDIT: I will agree with one of the above comments. Much like a "nice guy" might deserve a good woman doesn't mean he's entitled to a good woman, a good woman that has also had some struggles is not automatically entitled to a (real) nice guy.

You put it very nicely.



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09 Nov 2012, 3:34 pm

I'm just glad that not one of our WP posts were near as bad as the ones responding to her article with morons claiming men are superior, etc.

But a lot of people (not just men) are bristling at the implication that she shouldn't need to feel grateful because of how wonderful she and her child are.

Just like adoption, raising and loving another person's child as your own is a very big deal. This writer hit the lotto jackpot... it'd be a crying shame to squander it because of a self-absorbed narcissism. "I got it because I deserve it." It's creepy because of the danger behind it.

I'm very happy to see that she IS grateful to her good man... the day she stops being grateful is the day she no longer deserves him.

(And don't worry gals, the reverse is true, too. If she's a good woman who treats him with fairness, kindness and love - he'd better be grateful too!)



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09 Nov 2012, 4:23 pm

Now watch somebody come along and twist your words, Max. :lol:


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09 Nov 2012, 4:28 pm

wtfid2 wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
"Why is it that I need to feel grateful to a man for being a decent human being? For caring about a child that isn’t his biological son?"

Read more: http://mommyish.com/childrearing/step-p ... z2BcEjhluM

I rather like this bit. Who wants to constantly be made to feel like their partner is doing them some sort of favor?

And what does it say about our view of men that her husband is made out to be some kind of hero for loving her and her son? The post can be said to about a certain kind of misandry, I think, a conception of men as less-than-human in their capacities.
he is a a hero. he wants a wife not a wife and her kid. He is also the one who most likely supports the little runt as well lol. It's bad enough men have to pay all of the finance for their kids, but someone elses? I could also imagine how much the little runt has effected their sex life. This woman also sounds like a one child kind of woman, and so the hubby is screwed if he wants a kid for himself.


Here is a simple guide to avoiding having to raise brats that aren't your own:

1. Don't get involved with someone who has children, you dumbsh*t.

2. See 1.


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09 Nov 2012, 4:31 pm

I think the woman who wrote this is blowing things out of proportion. I understand that she gets tired of hearing it and all, but people are only mentioning it because they don't have the same thing as she does; they consider her lucky. They aren't saying she isn't 'worthy' and doesn't matter as much, they're just saying, from my understanding, that they wish they could find someone that accepting.



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09 Nov 2012, 5:11 pm

Kinme wrote:
I think the woman who wrote this is blowing things out of proportion. I understand that she gets tired of hearing it and all, but people are only mentioning it because they don't have the same thing as she does; they consider her lucky. They aren't saying she isn't 'worthy' and doesn't matter as much, they're just saying, from my understanding, that they wish they could find someone that accepting.


Excellent observation! Like someone who won the lottery, a self-absorbed person will tire of people saying how lucky they were because they can't see the point of view of others who wish they were as lucky as she. Instead of taking every comment as an insult (how dare they imply I don't deserve a rich prince??) she should see that people envy her very good fortune!

I can't understand the writer's point of view... maybe because I'm coming from the point of view where I can understand envying the fortunate because, deserving or not, I didn't get what she did.



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09 Nov 2012, 5:18 pm

BlueMax wrote:
Kinme wrote:
I think the woman who wrote this is blowing things out of proportion. I understand that she gets tired of hearing it and all, but people are only mentioning it because they don't have the same thing as she does; they consider her lucky. They aren't saying she isn't 'worthy' and doesn't matter as much, they're just saying, from my understanding, that they wish they could find someone that accepting.


Excellent observation! Like someone who won the lottery, a self-absorbed person will tire of people saying how lucky they were because they can't see the point of view of others who wish they were as lucky as she. Instead of taking every comment as an insult (how dare they imply I don't deserve a rich prince??) she should see that people envy her very good fortune!

I can't understand the writer's point of view... maybe because I'm coming from the point of view where I can understand envying the fortunate because, deserving or not, I didn't get what she did.


Maybe she isn't being empathetic? :P



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09 Nov 2012, 5:19 pm

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I can't understand the writer's point of view


Don't worry. I don't think the writer does, either. Just something to write I guess. The general fluff people write depending on their area of expertise to keep interest going for a website or publication.

Gaming journalists tend to do this a lot by returning to repeat articles that are easy filler that attracts crowds through controversy when they run out of actual news or real discussion points such as 1) Sex and violence's impact on gamers 2) Girl gamers. In this case they are relying on 1) An Erin Brokovich piece 2) Victimizing themselves needlessly to create a supposed viewpoint society has of them as a discussion topic. Unfortunately men and women alike take the bait. Funnily enough in this case very few took the bait and are just having a good ol' fashioned trolling session.



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09 Nov 2012, 5:24 pm

JanuaryMan wrote:
BlueMax wrote:
I can't understand the writer's point of view


Don't worry. I don't think the writer does, either. Just something to write I guess. The general fluff people write depending on their area of expertise to keep interest going for a website or publication.

Gaming journalists tend to do this a lot by returning to repeat articles that are easy filler that attracts crowds through controversy when they run out of actual news or real discussion points such as 1) Sex and violence's impact on gamers 2) Girl gamers. In this case they are relying on 1) An Erin Brokovich piece 2) Victimizing themselves needlessly to create a supposed viewpoint society has of them as a discussion topic. Unfortunately men and women alike take the bait. Funnily enough in this case very few took the bait and are just having a good ol' fashioned trolling session.


Trolls are abundant on Intarnetz.



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09 Nov 2012, 6:09 pm

Who_Am_I wrote:
wtfid2 wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
"Why is it that I need to feel grateful to a man for being a decent human being? For caring about a child that isn’t his biological son?"

Read more: http://mommyish.com/childrearing/step-p ... z2BcEjhluM

I rather like this bit. Who wants to constantly be made to feel like their partner is doing them some sort of favor?

And what does it say about our view of men that her husband is made out to be some kind of hero for loving her and her son? The post can be said to about a certain kind of misandry, I think, a conception of men as less-than-human in their capacities.
he is a a hero. he wants a wife not a wife and her kid. He is also the one who most likely supports the little runt as well lol. It's bad enough men have to pay all of the finance for their kids, but someone elses? I could also imagine how much the little runt has effected their sex life. This woman also sounds like a one child kind of woman, and so the hubby is screwed if he wants a kid for himself.


Here is a simple guide to avoiding having to raise brats that aren't your own:

1. Don't get involved with someone who has children, you dumbsh*t.

2. See 1.
and I wont but since the writer's husband did she should be grateful
dickhead.


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