Losing my mind over the need for affection

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09 Mar 2013, 1:21 am

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I'm skeptical. :?

they accept me, so why would they not accept you?



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09 Mar 2013, 3:08 am

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I am slowly losing the desire for companionship/affection as well and i'm only 21, I've been hurt and scarred. But they say it's a numbers game so you can't give up. The reason everyone dresses up and acts like they do is because everyone only wants the best or is trying to act the best they can because society is messed up.

But in contrary to what I'm saying when I go out I see girls with makeup caked all over their faces flirting with the most arrogant, uneducated guys. So I have to either choose to try and socialize with these types of people or not do anything at all.

I've even stopped going out lately, haven't been out in probably 2 months. I am even starting to think I won't find anyone at all.
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Society being messed up doesn't seem to be the leading reason I think. I think that these guys show more confidence than aspies, and this is one of the major barriers that I think is holding me back. It's hard to try and build up confidence when I have absolutely no clue where to start.


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09 Mar 2013, 3:09 am

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I am so lonely for a deep connection with someone I trust and understand. Also for touch. I have not been touched in years. I don't remember what it feels like to hold someone's hand. I long for meaningful affection. And that feeling crushes me sometimes. :cry:


This.


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09 Mar 2013, 9:05 am

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kouzoku wrote:
I'm skeptical. :?

they accept me, so why would they not accept you?


Because I'm not you. That's like saying that anyone who likes my father will like me because we have a couple of things in common. Now that I think of it, I don't think my best friend and I have any mutual friends. Her friends think I'm a freak.



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09 Mar 2013, 1:40 pm

I can relate to the OP. Combined with my own personal experiences, I'm starting to believe that the reason some of us lack success in the romantic realm is because we look for something that only very very few people look for in the romantic realm.

I have no problem befriending women, I get along fine with women, they flirt with me a lot, they tell me I'm a great guy, they come to me for relationship advice, yet they don't want me as a boyfriend and their boyfriends are nothing like me. At first I used to be cynical, and adopt the "women like a**holes" mentality. But while this might be true for some, it's not always true, and there is a lot more going on that just that.

It boils down to this: What most people (women) look for in a relationship is different from what you or I look for. Well, that's obvious, Sherlock. But really step back and think about what that means and see how it manifests in your life.

Sure they might genuinely see me as an awesome guy, a guy they can turn to when they're having trouble with their relationships etc. They might cherish my ability to listen, and my wisdom. Yet when it comes to relationship, this is not what they want. They might want a feeling of physical security. they might want social status, or someone who reminds them of a father figure they never had, or financial security etc. etc. Which is why they would date a 6 foot 5 inches tall guy even though they are only 4 foot 9 inches. The value of the sense of physical security they feel trumps any other potential downsides or flaws that exist in that guy.

As for me, what I look for is that abstract John Keats style "sighing under the moonlight" idealized form of romance. Lots of gentle touches, and physical affection (NOT necessarily sex). I want to woo her with my poetry and piano compositions (I'm an amateur musician). Sadly for me, not too many contemporary women are looking for that in a relationship. So no matter how great a guy they might think I am, I am not 6 foot 5, and wont provide the sense of physical security they want from a relationship if physical security via height is what they are looking for in a relationship.

Basically you have to wait until the stars align and you're lucky enough to find a woman who appreciates what you offer and is looking for that in a relationship. Maybe you are a man who offers financial security, maybe you are a man who offers height, maybe you are a man who offers the sensitivity and introspection of an artist, maybe you are a man who will make all her friends jealous because of your prestigious job etc. etc.

All this seems so simplistic and obvious, yet it took me years of confusion,and pain to figure this out.



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09 Mar 2013, 6:12 pm

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Basically you have to wait until the stars align and you're lucky enough to find a woman who appreciates what you offer and is looking for that in a relationship. Maybe you are a man who offers financial security, maybe you are a man who offers height, maybe you are a man who offers the sensitivity and introspection of an artist, maybe you are a man who will make all her friends jealous because of your prestigious job etc. etc.

All this seems so simplistic and obvious, yet it took me years of confusion,and pain to figure this out.


This is my big fear. I'm afraid that waiting even longer and being patient is only gonna cause my insanity. I don't want to go crazy and lose my mind because this is something that I worry about almost every damn day, and there's not a damn thing in this world that can keep my mind occupied and away from those thoughts. They'll always come back.


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09 Mar 2013, 8:03 pm

Everyone feels like this

I felt my virginity was like a millstone around my neck that I needed to get rid of and it didn't happen until age 21

It's normal to want to experience all life has to offer and it will come - don't panic

I would say that you are talking about two different goals though

1. losing virginity

2. finding a partner for a relationship

The one can be achieved far more easily than the other in my opinion



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10 Mar 2013, 1:42 am

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I can relate to the OP. Combined with my own personal experiences, I'm starting to believe that the reason some of us lack success in the romantic realm is because we look for something that only very very few people look for in the romantic realm.

I have no problem befriending women, I get along fine with women, they flirt with me a lot, they tell me I'm a great guy, they come to me for relationship advice, yet they don't want me as a boyfriend and their boyfriends are nothing like me. At first I used to be cynical, and adopt the "women like a**holes" mentality. But while this might be true for some, it's not always true, and there is a lot more going on that just that.

It boils down to this: What most people (women) look for in a relationship is different from what you or I look for. Well, that's obvious, Sherlock. But really step back and think about what that means and see how it manifests in your life.

Sure they might genuinely see me as an awesome guy, a guy they can turn to when they're having trouble with their relationships etc. They might cherish my ability to listen, and my wisdom. Yet when it comes to relationship, this is not what they want. They might want a feeling of physical security. they might want social status, or someone who reminds them of a father figure they never had, or financial security etc. etc. Which is why they would date a 6 foot 5 inches tall guy even though they are only 4 foot 9 inches. The value of the sense of physical security they feel trumps any other potential downsides or flaws that exist in that guy.

As for me, what I look for is that abstract John Keats style "sighing under the moonlight" idealized form of romance. Lots of gentle touches, and physical affection (NOT necessarily sex). I want to woo her with my poetry and piano compositions (I'm an amateur musician). Sadly for me, not too many contemporary women are looking for that in a relationship. So no matter how great a guy they might think I am, I am not 6 foot 5, and wont provide the sense of physical security they want from a relationship if physical security via height is what they are looking for in a relationship.

Basically you have to wait until the stars align and you're lucky enough to find a woman who appreciates what you offer and is looking for that in a relationship. Maybe you are a man who offers financial security, maybe you are a man who offers height, maybe you are a man who offers the sensitivity and introspection of an artist, maybe you are a man who will make all her friends jealous because of your prestigious job etc. etc.

All this seems so simplistic and obvious, yet it took me years of confusion,and pain to figure this out.


I can sympathise with this. I want a relationship like the one you've mentioned.

I want someone who appreciates the artistic introspection and creativity, but also wants to share their own way of seeing things. If that's poetry or music or art then so be it. In fact I'd enjoy someone reading poetry to me. As long as it wasn't some cheesy Hollywood sort of romantic gesture, which attracted lots of attention. I'd find that unnerving and uncomfortable. But if it was more subtle or just a gesture to be shared between those in the relationship then I'd be all for it. Like sitting together on the lounge together and sharing our favourite poems.

I want a sensual physical relationship but also an intellectual and creative relationship too.

I definitely don't want someone like my father, or who boosts social status or who buys me extravagant gifts. I do want a feeling of security, but I don't see that as gender specific, it's what should happen in any relationship. Both people should endeavour to provide the security or environment where their partner can comfortably be themselves. It's the knowledge that you can be yourself and trust them not to belittle or hurt you.

Also, W.B Yeats is cooler than Keats. :P


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10 Mar 2013, 8:01 am

I'd be more concerned with finding a partner, myself. Sexual urges can be mastered by exhausting yourself on other fronts - extreme!
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As another note: I read somewhere that women are psychologically considered adults at ~18-20 years old. Men are psychologically considered adults at aroud mid-20's. There is a reason older men date younger women.


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10 Mar 2013, 6:09 pm

well im 18 and never had a gf. I kno it suks. I think about it sometimes. But remember this, people don't respond to negativity very well. So you gotta be positive than people will be drawn to you. What im trying to say is, you need a serotonin boost. Ever tried going to church? You should try that.

Oh yah, I recommend getting a pet dog and getting counseling. That stuff helps with stress.



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10 Mar 2013, 8:11 pm

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well im 18 and never had a gf. I kno it suks. I think about it sometimes. But remember this, people don't respond to negativity very well. So you gotta be positive than people will be drawn to you. What im trying to say is, you need a serotonin boost. Ever tried going to church? You should try that.

Oh yah, I recommend getting a pet dog and getting counseling. That stuff helps with stress.


Both apartments (home and at college) do not allow pets. Believe me, I'd have one in a heartbeat.

Church? Not much of a religious person. I'm a spanish catholic, but I don't practice it.


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11 Mar 2013, 12:34 pm

I feel like I'm losing my mind too.

I'm not asking for hot sex, just a cuddle every now and then would be enough for me- but you're not allowed to cuddle women unless you're already having sex with them, and you can't have sex with them until you follow 101 stupid rules about dating and play the game for months and take their stupid s**t and I just can't stand it.



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11 Mar 2013, 1:12 pm

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Society being messed up doesn't seem to be the leading reason I think. I think that these guys show more confidence than aspies, and this is one of the major barriers that I think is holding me back. It's hard to try and build up confidence when I have absolutely no clue where to start.


The place to start is with friendships, especially same sex, non-romantic friendships. Things like vulnerability, trust, and empathy are things you need to start PRACTICING. You aren't going to be able to think this out, you have to start changing habits and behaviors. The effort of making change here means you're going to fail at it. It will be better to fail in this before you have the added pressure of romantic relations.

So, as a beginning step, start trying to form genuine friendships.



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11 Mar 2013, 3:06 pm

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I'm not quite sure how to feel about love anymore. The term "relationship" has lost its meaning, and has become a transparent word in my region of New York state.

The difficulty to even find such a thing is substantial. It also doesn't help the fact that I don't try at all.

The potential dates at this college, swept away by the bastard with skinny jeans and fancy clothes, or the guy who isn't worth a dime to society.

And yet I'm sitting here typing away at this, bitching and moaning about how I can't get a date.

If I wasn't on the verge of insanity because of deep thoughts of loneliness that cloud my brain whenever something positive comes in, maybe I'd be less bitchy. If I didn't have the ability to have the need for affection, I wouldn't be on the brink of insanity. If I never felt the need for a woman's touch so bad, If, IF, IF...

And yet i'm still here, typing away.

I don't want to lose my mind over the need for affection. I don't want to be a desperate man (by the looks of things, I may be near the brink of that too). I don't want to lower my standards and hire a hooker. I'm a 20 year old virgin, the last among my friends, and that pressure to have someone or to have sex should not cloud my mind.

What is wrong with me...I don't think love is meant for me. Am I bound to be a virgin till death, roaming about single until I am dead?



Accept that you're not lonely, but that you're solitary. As a person with Autism you are not created to have relationships or to marry.



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11 Mar 2013, 11:38 pm

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Accept that you're not lonely, but that you're solitary. As a person with Autism you are not created to have relationships or to marry.


I refuse to accept this, i'm more than just a person with autism, i am a human being for god's sake, and i have the right to feel this way. Human beings have emotions for a reason. Why can't I struggle trying to find an answer to stop me from going insane? Am I not supposed to feel? Am I supposed to be a machine? I am NOT a machine! I'm capable of having these emotions.

Before you try to brainwash me with this ideal that i am supposed to accept something because you couldn't do any goddamn thing about your situation, don't try and put thoughts in my head.


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Kaufmancab51 wrote:
Lonermutant wrote:
Accept that you're not lonely, but that you're solitary. As a person with Autism you are not created to have relationships or to marry.


I refuse to accept this, i'm more than just a person with autism, i am a human being for god's sake, and i have the right to feel this way. Human beings have emotions for a reason. Why can't I struggle trying to find an answer to stop me from going insane? Am I not supposed to feel? Am I supposed to be a machine? I am NOT a machine! I'm capable of having these emotions.

Before you try to brainwash me with this ideal that i am supposed to accept something because you couldn't do any goddamn thing about your situation, don't try and put thoughts in my head.


No I believe that one day you will grow up and accept the advantages of never marrying or having kids.


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