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05 Apr 2013, 2:00 pm

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Sounds like Wolf isn't a very ethical businessman........


That's what happens when you put personal gain above all. That doesn't work for relationships.


I'm not saying it's a case of personal gain but you don't work for free either, do you? Businesses exist to make a profit and the service should be mutually beneficial between both parties. For example if a contractor is responsible for a retail development, he should expect a penalty clause if he doesn't get the work completed in time and the client loses income due to the client losing revenue. Both parties have something the other person wants so it's a two way street, not a one way street.



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05 Apr 2013, 2:03 pm

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Sounds like Wolf isn't a very ethical businessman........


That's what happens when you put personal gain above all. That doesn't work for relationships.


I'm not saying it's a case of personal gain but you don't work for free either, do you? Businesses exist to make a profit and the service should be mutually beneficial between both parties. For example if a contractor is responsible for a retail development, he should expect a penalty clause if he doesn't get the work completed in time and the client loses income due to the client losing revenue. Both parties have something the other person wants so it's a two way street, not a one way street.

We understand what you're saying. We just don't think it works in a dating context unless he was courting a hooker or something.........



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05 Apr 2013, 2:44 pm

Treating humans like a commodity (e.g.: "trading up" the moment a better offer comes along) is revolting.



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05 Apr 2013, 3:49 pm

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Treating humans like a commodity (e.g.: "trading up" the moment a better offer comes along) is revolting.


I'm not talking about people themselves, people should be treated respectfully as employees as well as clients should be. You should respect their property or business as you would respect your own. I'm talking about the services people provide and services are a commodity, a relationship is a mutual exchange of a shared goal whether it is to experience true love, share the beauty in creativity or to simply maintain a house and raise a family.

Dating is a selection process, I am not saying it is a case of finding someone better. It is never a case of finding someone better, it's a case of finding someone who suits you. For someone else that person might be someone better but if it isn't good for you, why stay in a relationship with someone you don't truly love? It only leads to hurt.



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05 Apr 2013, 3:55 pm

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05 Apr 2013, 6:20 pm

Wolfheart wrote:
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Treating humans like a commodity (e.g.: "trading up" the moment a better offer comes along) is revolting.


I'm not talking about people themselves, people should be treated respectfully as employees as well as clients should be. You should respect their property or business as you would respect your own. I'm talking about the services people provide and services are a commodity, a relationship is a mutual exchange of a shared goal whether it is to experience true love, share the beauty in creativity or to simply maintain a house and raise a family.

Dating is a selection process, I am not saying it is a case of finding someone better. It is never a case of finding someone better, it's a case of finding someone who suits you. For someone else that person might be someone better but if it isn't good for you, why stay in a relationship with someone you don't truly love? It only leads to hurt.


Er... Not long ago you made a thread about flirting with someone who you found prettier than the girl you dated (and who cared about you) and then rubbed it to her face. That was the opposite of respectful or "mutually respectful/beneficial".

I'm not sure if I'm more insulted as a business person or a woman by your distorted views.


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05 Apr 2013, 7:28 pm

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Treating humans like a commodity (e.g.: "trading up" the moment a better offer comes along) is revolting.


I'm not talking about people themselves, people should be treated respectfully as employees as well as clients should be. You should respect their property or business as you would respect your own. I'm talking about the services people provide and services are a commodity, a relationship is a mutual exchange of a shared goal whether it is to experience true love, share the beauty in creativity or to simply maintain a house and raise a family.

Dating is a selection process, I am not saying it is a case of finding someone better. It is never a case of finding someone better, it's a case of finding someone who suits you. For someone else that person might be someone better but if it isn't good for you, why stay in a relationship with someone you don't truly love? It only leads to hurt.


Er... Not long ago you made a thread about flirting with someone who you found prettier than the girl you dated (and who cared about you) and then rubbed it to her face. That was the opposite of respectful or "mutually respectful/beneficial".

I'm not sure if I'm more insulted as a business person or a woman by your distorted views.


Raise your hand if you remember that thread



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05 Apr 2013, 10:46 pm

Lilya wrote:
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Treating humans like a commodity (e.g.: "trading up" the moment a better offer comes along) is revolting.


I'm not talking about people themselves, people should be treated respectfully as employees as well as clients should be. You should respect their property or business as you would respect your own. I'm talking about the services people provide and services are a commodity, a relationship is a mutual exchange of a shared goal whether it is to experience true love, share the beauty in creativity or to simply maintain a house and raise a family.

Dating is a selection process, I am not saying it is a case of finding someone better. It is never a case of finding someone better, it's a case of finding someone who suits you. For someone else that person might be someone better but if it isn't good for you, why stay in a relationship with someone you don't truly love? It only leads to hurt.


Er... Not long ago you made a thread about flirting with someone who you found prettier than the girl you dated (and who cared about you) and then rubbed it to her face. That was the opposite of respectful or "mutually respectful/beneficial".

I'm not sure if I'm more insulted as a business person or a woman by your distorted views.


Because I didn't love her, we were different, like I said she might be right for someone else but she wasn't right for me.



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06 Apr 2013, 12:10 am

Wolfheart wrote:
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Treating humans like a commodity (e.g.: "trading up" the moment a better offer comes along) is revolting.


I'm not talking about people themselves, people should be treated respectfully as employees as well as clients should be. You should respect their property or business as you would respect your own. I'm talking about the services people provide and services are a commodity, a relationship is a mutual exchange of a shared goal whether it is to experience true love, share the beauty in creativity or to simply maintain a house and raise a family.

Dating is a selection process, I am not saying it is a case of finding someone better. It is never a case of finding someone better, it's a case of finding someone who suits you. For someone else that person might be someone better but if it isn't good for you, why stay in a relationship with someone you don't truly love? It only leads to hurt.


Er... Not long ago you made a thread about flirting with someone who you found prettier than the girl you dated (and who cared about you) and then rubbed it to her face. That was the opposite of respectful or "mutually respectful/beneficial".

I'm not sure if I'm more insulted as a business person or a woman by your distorted views.


Because I didn't love her, we were different, like I said she might be right for someone else but she wasn't right for me.

Which of the two is being talked about here



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06 Apr 2013, 3:22 am

MXH wrote:
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BlueMax wrote:
Treating humans like a commodity (e.g.: "trading up" the moment a better offer comes along) is revolting.


I'm not talking about people themselves, people should be treated respectfully as employees as well as clients should be. You should respect their property or business as you would respect your own. I'm talking about the services people provide and services are a commodity, a relationship is a mutual exchange of a shared goal whether it is to experience true love, share the beauty in creativity or to simply maintain a house and raise a family.

Dating is a selection process, I am not saying it is a case of finding someone better. It is never a case of finding someone better, it's a case of finding someone who suits you. For someone else that person might be someone better but if it isn't good for you, why stay in a relationship with someone you don't truly love? It only leads to hurt.


Er... Not long ago you made a thread about flirting with someone who you found prettier than the girl you dated (and who cared about you) and then rubbed it to her face. That was the opposite of respectful or "mutually respectful/beneficial".

I'm not sure if I'm more insulted as a business person or a woman by your distorted views.


Because I didn't love her, we were different, like I said she might be right for someone else but she wasn't right for me.

Which of the two is being talked about here


The first girl, I didn't love her and I didn't want to lead her on. I wasn't seeing her that long, she was the one who started saying she thought I could be the one and getting clingy after only the first date. I don't like that, it makes me withdraw and it is difficult for me to deal with people that are emotionally dynamic.



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06 Apr 2013, 4:12 am

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The first girl, I didn't love her and I didn't want to lead her on. I wasn't seeing her that long, she was the one who started saying she thought I could be the one and getting clingy after only the first date. I don't like that, it makes me withdraw and it is difficult for me to deal with people that are emotionally dynamic.


You can't exactly blame a girl for getting emotional when you you call her too fat for you, cheat on her with someone and then rub it on her face for this girl being prettier and better than her, sharing even your flirty convos with her. It's still disgusting, if you try to find excuses for your behaviour. You have shared your chat logs here many enough times, it shows that you are flirty and try to charm these girls on your side. You can't not take responsibility for them starting to develop the idea of a relationship.


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06 Apr 2013, 7:10 am

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The first girl, I didn't love her and I didn't want to lead her on. I wasn't seeing her that long, she was the one who started saying she thought I could be the one and getting clingy after only the first date. I don't like that, it makes me withdraw and it is difficult for me to deal with people that are emotionally dynamic.


You can't exactly blame a girl for getting emotional when you you call her too fat for you, cheat on her with someone and then rub it on her face for this girl being prettier and better than her, sharing even your flirty convos with her. It's still disgusting, if you try to find excuses for your behaviour. You have shared your chat logs here many enough times, it shows that you are flirty and try to charm these girls on your side. You can't not take responsibility for them starting to develop the idea of a relationship.


I didn't lead her on when I didn't feel strongly for her, I simply told her the truth that I thought we were too different for each other. I made a choice, you are not exactly the exemplary person to be giving lectures on how people should conduct their relationships or monogamy but I refuse to point out your own imperfections because I don't point the finger when I know I am not perfect myself.

It wasn't exactly black and white situation, I told her once what my expectations and standards are. I gave a clear explanation, I never claimed to be in a relationship with her so I don't know where you are getting that from.



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06 Apr 2013, 7:34 am

I agree the situation could have been dealt with a more tactful approach but I can't undo the past, I can only move on positively, find someone that is less emotionally high maintenance and prevent it from happening in the future. I think it's time to move on anyway, don't you? I have learned from the experience.



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06 Apr 2013, 7:48 am

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I agree the situation could have been dealt with a more tactful approach but I can't undo the past, I can only move on positively, find someone that is less emotionally high maintenance and prevent it from happening in the future. I think it's time to move on anyway, don't you? I have learned from the experience.


That moving on positively isn't exactly going on too well, now is it.. Not to mention that you are STILL giving the exactly same excuses as you were, even in that specific thread after 8 pages of people trying to get it to your head that you did something unacceptable. A girl is not "emotionally high maintenance" simply for being human or having emotions and there is absolutely nothing that would make it acceptable on any level how you treated those girls. Abusing, ridiculing and insulting is NOT equivalent of "simply telling the truth", especially when despite your denial you had mislead them.

The problem is that you HAVEN'T learnt from the past quite obviously. I find that disgusting.

Also, it's utterly useless try to insult me or accuse me of any made up faults/mistakes. The last two times you've lied about me in such manner you were caught immediately and admitted in a minute you had lied. Your credibility on that has already died.


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06 Apr 2013, 8:08 am

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I agree the situation could have been dealt with a more tactful approach but I can't undo the past, I can only move on positively, find someone that is less emotionally high maintenance and prevent it from happening in the future. I think it's time to move on anyway, don't you? I have learned from the experience.


That moving on positively isn't exactly going on too well, now is it.. Not to mention that you are STILL giving the exactly same excuses as you were, even in that specific thread after 8 pages of people trying to get it to your head that you did something unacceptable. A girl is not "emotionally high maintenance" simply for being human or having emotions and there is absolutely nothing that would make it acceptable on any level how you treated those girls. Abusing, ridiculing and insulting is NOT equivalent of "simply telling the truth", especially when despite your denial you had mislead them.

The problem is that you HAVEN'T learnt from the past quite obviously. I find that disgusting.

Also, it's utterly useless try to insult me or accuse me of any made up faults/mistakes. The last two times you've lied about me in such manner you were caught immediately and admitted in a minute you had lied. Your credibility on that has already died.


She said herself that she was emotionally high maintenance and dynamic, what don't you get about that?

So you're admitting that you are a perfect person and a perfect human being? That you never respond to situations in a negative way? Here we go with the old religious guilt tripping and holier than thou techniques again. I have made mistakes and I have regrets but I have learned that people grow from them, people learn from trial and error and that's how we grow but to claim you are perfect is another thing completely.



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06 Apr 2013, 8:16 am

I said I would have handled the situation more tactfully but I can't change that now, maybe you should read my posts thoroughly before responding. If you want me to meet her and discuss this, I will but it's only going to cause more hurt like January man said. It's just best to let it go now, leave it in the past, learn from it and move on to more positive things.

If you continue to persist on being a negative energy, that's up to you but just keep it to yourself if it isn't going to be constructive.