26 Jun 2013, 4:42 am
26 Jun 2013, 5:13 am
Nambo wrote:
Whilst what you write would be logical, on the other hand my Father, who IS the sort of man who wants a woman as a servant, who is over 80, he was going out with 3 women in China, spent a month with each, in the end he picked one to marry and he now live in Beijing.
Believe me, if Chinese Women are even half the way you describe, he would have been out of there like a shot, he gets through women like nobodies business if they do not act in his Victorian ideas of how a Woman should act.
Even at his age, and sexist as he is, he never had trouble getting a Woman.
Now me, I want a Woman who is an equal, a friend not a servant, yet women always reject me because I am "Too Nice".
Believe me, if Chinese Women are even half the way you describe, he would have been out of there like a shot, he gets through women like nobodies business if they do not act in his Victorian ideas of how a Woman should act.
Even at his age, and sexist as he is, he never had trouble getting a Woman.
Now me, I want a Woman who is an equal, a friend not a servant, yet women always reject me because I am "Too Nice".
Usually sexist and abusive guys are willing to say everything a woman wants to hear to get her.
Funny thing with it is, after women had bad experiences with those guys, they blame of being sexist those guys who are honest and contradict them, who end up being... the 'nice' guys.
As Coen's movie says: no country for nice guys
26 Jun 2013, 9:12 am
26 Jun 2013, 9:49 am
BanjoGirl wrote:
Seriously people, you don't have any idea about women lifes in the fifties. Stop with the naïve comments of "how feminine and great women were sixty years ago". Women of that era had the same feelings and motivations that women have now, only that a lot of women from the past couldn't choose what they wanted to do with their lifes or they were brainwashed.
Nambo, the "caring nature" thing is not something that all women had in the past either. My grandmother never wanted children, but women in the fourties and fifties HAD to have children, so she had six, and she has been a very bad mother. She was the "typical" (stereotyped) woman from the fifties, but that doesn't mean that kind of life can make you and your children happier (it was not the case AT ALL, I can assure you
).
Nambo, the "caring nature" thing is not something that all women had in the past either. My grandmother never wanted children, but women in the fourties and fifties HAD to have children, so she had six, and she has been a very bad mother. She was the "typical" (stereotyped) woman from the fifties, but that doesn't mean that kind of life can make you and your children happier (it was not the case AT ALL, I can assure you
).Yeap, of course. And not very different from feeling and motivations one thousand years ago. That doesn't change that much.
But attitudes change.
Women were great years ago? Don't know, really. Don't care that much about it. I care about today. And... well, let me give an example. Something very simple: do you know how many times I have cooked and prepared a special dinner for a Friday o Saturday night for a girlfriend? Quite a few times. How many times a girlfriend has done that for me?
Zero.
26 Jun 2013, 10:05 am
Greb wrote:
BanjoGirl wrote:
Seriously people, you don't have any idea about women lifes in the fifties. Stop with the naïve comments of "how feminine and great women were sixty years ago". Women of that era had the same feelings and motivations that women have now, only that a lot of women from the past couldn't choose what they wanted to do with their lifes or they were brainwashed.
Nambo, the "caring nature" thing is not something that all women had in the past either. My grandmother never wanted children, but women in the fourties and fifties HAD to have children, so she had six, and she has been a very bad mother. She was the "typical" (stereotyped) woman from the fifties, but that doesn't mean that kind of life can make you and your children happier (it was not the case AT ALL, I can assure you ).
Nambo, the "caring nature" thing is not something that all women had in the past either. My grandmother never wanted children, but women in the fourties and fifties HAD to have children, so she had six, and she has been a very bad mother. She was the "typical" (stereotyped) woman from the fifties, but that doesn't mean that kind of life can make you and your children happier (it was not the case AT ALL, I can assure you
).Yeap, of course. And not very different from feeling and motivations one thousand years ago. That doesn't change that much.
But attitudes change.
Women were great years ago? Don't know, really. Don't care that much about it. I care about today. And... well, let me give an example. Something very simple: do you know how many times I have cooked and prepared a special dinner for a Friday o Saturday night for a girlfriend? Quite a few times. How many times a girlfriend has done that for me?
Zero.
You chose your girlfriends, it's not fault of all female population of the planet and it doesn't demonstrates that all women from this century are like those few girlfriends that never cooked you a meal.
I could say the same kind of things about my dates. Oh, three men said this horrible thing to me, so I can cry over the internet saying all men are insensitive. Is that fair? This is the reason why there is a battle of sexes, because a lot of people love to repeat their prejudices to people that they barely know. As females we are not responsible about how your girlfriends were and it's not our business either. There are women out there that cook for a man and the man never cooks for them too. It's not about gender, it's about being romantic/attentive or lazy.
Well, in fact the "shut up woman and make me a sandwitch" that trolls all internet is about gender but you know what I mean.
26 Jun 2013, 10:46 am
BanjoGirl wrote:
Greb wrote:
BanjoGirl wrote:
Seriously people, you don't have any idea about women lifes in the fifties. Stop with the naïve comments of "how feminine and great women were sixty years ago". Women of that era had the same feelings and motivations that women have now, only that a lot of women from the past couldn't choose what they wanted to do with their lifes or they were brainwashed.
Nambo, the "caring nature" thing is not something that all women had in the past either. My grandmother never wanted children, but women in the fourties and fifties HAD to have children, so she had six, and she has been a very bad mother. She was the "typical" (stereotyped) woman from the fifties, but that doesn't mean that kind of life can make you and your children happier (it was not the case AT ALL, I can assure you ).
Nambo, the "caring nature" thing is not something that all women had in the past either. My grandmother never wanted children, but women in the fourties and fifties HAD to have children, so she had six, and she has been a very bad mother. She was the "typical" (stereotyped) woman from the fifties, but that doesn't mean that kind of life can make you and your children happier (it was not the case AT ALL, I can assure you
).Yeap, of course. And not very different from feeling and motivations one thousand years ago. That doesn't change that much.
But attitudes change.
Women were great years ago? Don't know, really. Don't care that much about it. I care about today. And... well, let me give an example. Something very simple: do you know how many times I have cooked and prepared a special dinner for a Friday o Saturday night for a girlfriend? Quite a few times. How many times a girlfriend has done that for me?
Zero.
You chose your girlfriends, it's not fault of all female population of the planet and it doesn't demonstrates that all women from this century are like those few girlfriends that never cooked you a meal.
I could say the same kind of things about my dates. Oh, three men said this horrible thing to me, so I can cry over the internet saying all men are insensitive. Is that fair? This is the reason why there is a battle of sexes, because a lot of people love to repeat their prejudices to people that they barely know. As females we are not responsible about how your girlfriends were and it's not our business either. There are women out there that cook for a man and the man never cooks for them too. It's not about gender, it's about being romantic/attentive or lazy.
Well, in fact the "shut up woman and make me a sandwitch" that trolls all internet is about gender but you know what I mean.
C'mon, banjogirl. Did I pick the wrong girl? So often? Did so many men do the same? Have you seen the article, have you seen so many threads here? Don't you think that when so many men agree it's likely that there's really a problem?
26 Jun 2013, 11:02 am
Greb wrote:
BanjoGirl wrote:
Greb wrote:
BanjoGirl wrote:
Seriously people, you don't have any idea about women lifes in the fifties. Stop with the naïve comments of "how feminine and great women were sixty years ago". Women of that era had the same feelings and motivations that women have now, only that a lot of women from the past couldn't choose what they wanted to do with their lifes or they were brainwashed.
Nambo, the "caring nature" thing is not something that all women had in the past either. My grandmother never wanted children, but women in the fourties and fifties HAD to have children, so she had six, and she has been a very bad mother. She was the "typical" (stereotyped) woman from the fifties, but that doesn't mean that kind of life can make you and your children happier (it was not the case AT ALL, I can assure you ).
Nambo, the "caring nature" thing is not something that all women had in the past either. My grandmother never wanted children, but women in the fourties and fifties HAD to have children, so she had six, and she has been a very bad mother. She was the "typical" (stereotyped) woman from the fifties, but that doesn't mean that kind of life can make you and your children happier (it was not the case AT ALL, I can assure you
).Yeap, of course. And not very different from feeling and motivations one thousand years ago. That doesn't change that much.
But attitudes change.
Women were great years ago? Don't know, really. Don't care that much about it. I care about today. And... well, let me give an example. Something very simple: do you know how many times I have cooked and prepared a special dinner for a Friday o Saturday night for a girlfriend? Quite a few times. How many times a girlfriend has done that for me?
Zero.
You chose your girlfriends, it's not fault of all female population of the planet and it doesn't demonstrates that all women from this century are like those few girlfriends that never cooked you a meal.
I could say the same kind of things about my dates. Oh, three men said this horrible thing to me, so I can cry over the internet saying all men are insensitive. Is that fair? This is the reason why there is a battle of sexes, because a lot of people love to repeat their prejudices to people that they barely know. As females we are not responsible about how your girlfriends were and it's not our business either. There are women out there that cook for a man and the man never cooks for them too. It's not about gender, it's about being romantic/attentive or lazy.
Well, in fact the "shut up woman and make me a sandwitch" that trolls all internet is about gender but you know what I mean.
C'mon, banjogirl. Did I pick the wrong girl? So often? Did so many men do the same? Have you seen the article, have you seen so many threads here? Don't you think that when so many men agree it's likely that there's really a problem?
Yes, there is a problem, the childish problem is that you think that there is a female confabulation or something like that but no, it's just that some people (people!) are mean, and that includes men and women, or do you think that a lot of women have never had horrible boyfriends? It seems that you forget that there are men that can be bad people too because you are too focused in women. Can you say that all men you see in the street are saints and are very good with their (of course eeeeevil) women? I can tell you a lot of examples about egoistic, unfaithful, hypocritical and mean boyfriends, the difference is that women usually don't cry over the internet at the same level as men do, so it seems only men suuuuffer and suuuuffer. Maybe it's because the higher levels of testosterone, I don't know, but sure there is something chemical there that make men whiner in the forums and blogs.
"My girlfriends never cooked for me". Wow, what a tragedy, sure those horrible experiences hardened you, ah?
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26 Jun 2013, 11:23 am
BanjoGirl wrote:
Yes, there is a problem, the childish problem is that you think that there is a female confabulation or something like that but no, it's just that a lot of people (people!) are mean, and that includes men and women, or do you think that a lot of women have never had horrible boyfriends? It seems that you forget that men can be bad people too because you are too focused in women. Can you say that all men you see in the street are saints and are very good with their (of course eeeeevil) women? I can tell you a lot of examples about egoistic, unfaithful, hypocritical and mean boyfriends, the difference is that women usually don't cry over the internet at the same level as men do, so it seems only men suuuuffer and suuuuffer. Maybe it's because the higher levels of testosterone, I don't know, but sure there is something chemical there that make men whiner in the forums and blogs.
"My girlfriends never cooked for me". Wow, what a tragedy, sure those horrible experiences hardened you, ah?
"My girlfriends never cooked for me". Wow, what a tragedy, sure those horrible experiences hardened you, ah?
Well, this is an example of the problem I was talking about. Many women are permanently in a kind of 'aggresive' mode.
Let me show you how it sounds. Imagine that 50 or 100 years ago a woman claiming about men attitude in interneet (supposed it had existed).
And then she gets the following answer:
"Yes, there is a problem, the childish problem is that you think that there is a male confabulation or something like that but no, it's just that a lot of people (people!) are mean, and that includes men and women, or do you think that a lot of men have never had horrible wives? It seems that you forget that women can be bad people too because you are too focused in men. Can you say that all women you see in the street are saints and are very good with their (of course eeeeevil) husbands? I can tell you a lot of examples about egoistic, unfaithful, hypocritical and mean wives, the difference is that men usually don't cry over the internet at the same level as women do, so it seems only women suuuuffer and suuuuffer. Maybe it's because the higher levels of hormones, I don't know, but sure there is something chemical there that make women whiner in the forums and blogs.
"My husbands never took the broom. My husband never washed the dishes. My husband never cleaned the bathroom. My husband never did the laundry". Wow, what a tragedy, sure those horrible experiences hardened you, ah?
"
26 Jun 2013, 11:53 am
Greb wrote:
BanjoGirl wrote:
Yes, there is a problem, the childish problem is that you think that there is a female confabulation or something like that but no, it's just that a lot of people (people!) are mean, and that includes men and women, or do you think that a lot of women have never had horrible boyfriends? It seems that you forget that men can be bad people too because you are too focused in women. Can you say that all men you see in the street are saints and are very good with their (of course eeeeevil) women? I can tell you a lot of examples about egoistic, unfaithful, hypocritical and mean boyfriends, the difference is that women usually don't cry over the internet at the same level as men do, so it seems only men suuuuffer and suuuuffer. Maybe it's because the higher levels of testosterone, I don't know, but sure there is something chemical there that make men whiner in the forums and blogs.
"My girlfriends never cooked for me". Wow, what a tragedy, sure those horrible experiences hardened you, ah?
"My girlfriends never cooked for me". Wow, what a tragedy, sure those horrible experiences hardened you, ah?
Well, this is an example of the problem I was talking about. Many women are permanently in a kind of 'aggresive' mode.
Let me show you how it sounds. Imagine that 50 or 100 years ago a woman claiming about men attitude got the following answer:
"Yes, there is a problem, the childish problem is that you think that there is a male confabulation or something like that but no, it's just that a lot of people (people!) are mean, and that includes men and women, or do you think that a lot of men have never had horrible wives? It seems that you forget that women can be bad people too because you are too focused in men. Can you say that all women you see in the street are saints and are very good with their (of course eeeeevil) husbands? I can tell you a lot of examples about egoistic, unfaithful, hypocritical and mean wives, the difference is that men usually don't cry over the internet at the same level as women do, so it seems only women suuuuffer and suuuuffer. Maybe it's because the higher levels of hormones, I don't know, but sure there is something chemical there that make women whiner in the forums and blogs.
"My husbands never took the broom. My husband never washed the dishes. My husband never cleaned the bathroom. My husband never did the laundry". Wow, what a tragedy, sure those horrible experiences hardened you, ah?
"Ehm, Greb, I was saying that there are mean men and women, I don't understand the reason for your "time travel".
The problem comes when men want to believe that ALL women are like those three he met, and it's what's happening now. I think that internet, the anonymity and a lot of times just exaggerations (like "I dated three mean girls but I'll say... I dated ten) when talking about own experiences, are making a biiiig distorted image about how women are or aren't.
It's like if men discovered now that some women can be unfriendly. I don't know, maybe it's due to women being considered a manichean human being during centuries (women were or saints or whores). It seems there is a difficulty to assimilate the meaniness on women, but mean women have always existed, it's not new, meaniness is something very common in humanity. Why the surprise? Now it seems that who lived in a Disney movie were some men, not women. I don't know you, but I have met quite a bunch of mean people.
Life is hard and a lot people is complicated. There are bad people and good people. It depends of your intelligence if you allow the unfriendly people you met to affect your views about people you never met.
26 Jun 2013, 12:13 pm
26 Jun 2013, 12:24 pm
Greb wrote:
BanjoGirl wrote:
Ehm, Greb, I was saying that there are mean men and women, I don't understand the reason for your "time travel".
The problem comes when men want to believe that ALL women are like those three he met, and it's what's happening now. I think that internet, the anonymity and a lot of times just exaggerations when talking about own experiences, are making a biiiig distorted image about how women are or aren't.
It's like if men discovered now that some women can be unfriendly. I don't know, maybe it's due to women being considered a manichean human being during centuries (women were or saints or whores). It seems there is a difficulty to assimilate the "meaniness" on women, but mean women have always existed, it's not new, meaniness is something very common in humanity. Why the surprise? Now it seems that who lived in a Disney movie were some men, not women.
Life is hard and a lot people is complicated. There are bad people and good people. It depends of your intelligence if you allow the unfriendly people you met to affect your views about people you never met.
The problem comes when men want to believe that ALL women are like those three he met, and it's what's happening now. I think that internet, the anonymity and a lot of times just exaggerations when talking about own experiences, are making a biiiig distorted image about how women are or aren't.
It's like if men discovered now that some women can be unfriendly. I don't know, maybe it's due to women being considered a manichean human being during centuries (women were or saints or whores). It seems there is a difficulty to assimilate the "meaniness" on women, but mean women have always existed, it's not new, meaniness is something very common in humanity. Why the surprise? Now it seems that who lived in a Disney movie were some men, not women.
Life is hard and a lot people is complicated. There are bad people and good people. It depends of your intelligence if you allow the unfriendly people you met to affect your views about people you never met.
The reason for 'time travel' is to show how it feels.
And, well, I already learnt that there's bad and good people in the world. Quite a time ago, indeed. What I'm talking about is something different, it's about a social problem. And it's a social problem when so many men agree about it.
Statistics? I hope you aren't pulling them from groups of disgruntled men venting on internet forums.
The loudest voices don't make the best representation of the whole.
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