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23 Oct 2013, 9:14 pm

Allow me to be the first one (or maybe not) to look at this objectively, and resist the temptation to project my own desperation onto the OP. I'm just as starved for female company as the next aspie guy. And because of that, I'm not very picky on who I get physical affection from. But this girl sounds awfully sketchy and unstable. In fact, her behavior is setting off more red flags than Moscow in 1980. Let's look what set off those red flags, shall we?

0. She had experienced abuse, molestation, rape.
I'm putting it under #0 because none of it is her fault. But people who experience these things are often scarred for life. Therapy is necessary to help them process these experiences properly, because they will have an effect on all their future relationships. Your lady friend here is no different. Which brings me to #1.

1. She showed you her private journal (diary?), along with sharing her deepest darkest secrets, within just a day of knowing you.
Unless it was a travel diary and the secret consisted of her not knowing how to swim, this shows a blatant lack of understand and/or respect of personal boundaries, her own and other people's. The fact that she shared something very personal with a guy who's a little more than a stranger implies that she may expect the same from other people. It sounds like you've had a nasty childhood too (like many aspies on here), but I'm sure you know that you need to piecemeal the information over time when you start hanging out with someone new. It doesn't seem like she knows.

2. You asked her not to go through your phone. She disrespected that, with you still being somewhat of a stranger at that point. Then she got upset at a private text message she took completely out of context.
Again, this screams lack of respect for people's boundaries. One, snuggling is really not that sexual, so she had no reason to be upset by that. Two, she essentially accused you of cheating on her. I suppose this is the only point where I can give her some benefit of doubt, since I myself had situations where I assumed there was a relationship after only once date. But still, such a lack of knowledge about how relationships work is disturbing even to me, someone who didn't go on a real date until age 18.

3. She asked for your friend's phone number within minutes of meeting him, with you standing right there! Then she cried when you asked what her deal is.
First of all, your buddy is partially to blame here for giving his number to her with you standing there. That's against the Man Code. But without your arm around that girl (or some other "territorial" gesture), maybe he thought you two were just platonic friends. Despite her being in the wrong, she used crying and false accusations to make you the bad guy. Especially by questioning your motives for texting other girls after having gone out with you only twice. Also, what she said to you is really interesting: "you only care about how I make you feel". Which raises the question: does she care how she makes you feel?

4. She broke down in tears, talked about how she'd be destroyed, and made veiled suicide threats when you said you wanted out.
You did the smart thing and tried to get out. (Good job on that.) Her reaction here is very questionable: "you changed me and stole my heart", "I cant live another day without you", etc. It's noble to say this to a husband who wants a divorce. But not to a guy you knew for just a few weeks! She attaches way too quickly and too tightly. I know I'd she scared sh*tless if I were in your situation. Heck, I once got spooked when a girl I just met sent me 5 texts in a single day. But you're right about one thing: it's never your obligation to help her an emotionally troubled woman. It's a job for a trained professional with a Ph.D. in psychology, not an aspie guy whose social skills and relationship experience aren't exactly great. You don't owe that girl anything more than basic respect as a human being.

5. How can you love someone in 2 weeks?
You can't! At 2 weeks, it's not love, it's infatuation. That's what your lady friend was feeling. She just called it by a completely wrong (not to mention spooky) term. Love (the romantic kind) for a long-time partner or a spouse, not for someone you met 2 weeks ago. She definitely doesn't understand that, and it's not your job to teach that to her. Besides, consider this scenario: what if you do something she doesn't like, and she retaliates (and she seems to like retaliation) by going to the police and filing false charges. Do you really want to spend 25 years in a cell with Bubba? No need to answer that.



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24 Oct 2013, 3:35 am

She sounds like she might be codependent. She has a very troubled past, she became emotionally needy with a stranger, violated his privacy by going through his phone when he specially asked her not to & got mad 1ce she saw he was texting other girls even thou they never officially entered a relationship, asked for his friend's number rite in front of him; then when he called her on it she made up a story, blamed him for texting, then turned on the water works & begged him to be with her. She should not be in any relationship


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24 Oct 2013, 2:29 pm

nick007 wrote:
She should not be in any relationship

except a relationship with a shrink, as a client.



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24 Oct 2013, 4:32 pm

I was fueling it as I look back. But I said the very same thing to her that she should get help. My advice won't help her. She actually did went to get it too. She just started counseling meetings. I'm glad for her. Just a step towards her going forward from her past. I did not know how bad her past really effected her to this day. I need to take into account that not everyone thinks the same. So I'm just keeping my distance from her. Just texting and calling that's bout it. Other than all that she is pretty cool.



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24 Oct 2013, 4:41 pm

octobertiger wrote:
Shaded wrote:
octobertiger wrote:
Hang on a minute.

Here's the title of the thread:

Some Epic Experience Huh?

OP, what exactly did you mean by this, it doesn't kind of correlate with what you have written.


You are right though. I admit. And maybe she does have that Stockholm Syndrome? When I named it "Some Epic Experience Huh?"
I meant by I never experienced anyone react towards me like this. Lol
Its different.


Yep. Sounds like you're enjoying the 'project'.

It tells me you're enjoying it for being different - thus you're playing some to equal part in fuelling the drama. I'm not so sure you're being as gallant as you're making out in your original post.

It's like saying "Oh it's a lion, isn't it cute, let me play with it a bit...oh crap, it's just bitten my arm off haha isn't it different". Lions will do what they are meant to do. And so will this woman. Play with fire, and, well.

Caution. Oh, and I hope you're using protection, or will, further down the track. A little 'baby drama' would really spice things up, wouldn't it.


No gallantry here. Lol
I analyze people too much. I get it from my mom. So yeah it was some sort of project you could say. I never slept with her. Only contact has been hugs and such. Compared to what other guys have been doing to her, I coulda just lied, got into her pants, and left. But I told her the truth; which is never as appealing as lying. I told her I had other women. She wanted me to 'drop everything' and just cater to her--which is not going to happen. I admit, some things I thought I just kept to myself. Other than that I gave her the truth. Until she sorts herself out and love herself, I'm not going to mess with her like that.


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24 Oct 2013, 5:48 pm

Aspie1 wrote:
Allow me to be the first one (or maybe not) to look at this objectively, and resist the temptation to project my own desperation onto the OP. I'm just as starved for female company as the next aspie guy. And because of that, I'm not very picky on who I get physical affection from. But this girl sounds awfully sketchy and unstable. In fact, her behavior is setting off more red flags than Moscow in 1980. Let's look what set off those red flags, shall we?

0. She had experienced abuse, molestation, rape.
I'm putting it under #0 because none of it is her fault. But people who experience these things are often scarred for life. Therapy is necessary to help them process these experiences properly, because they will have an effect on all their future relationships. Your lady friend here is no different. Which brings me to #1.

1. She showed you her private journal (diary?), along with sharing her deepest darkest secrets, within just a day of knowing you.
Unless it was a travel diary and the secret consisted of her not knowing how to swim, this shows a blatant lack of understand and/or respect of personal boundaries, her own and other people's. The fact that she shared something very personal with a guy who's a little more than a stranger implies that she may expect the same from other people. It sounds like you've had a nasty childhood too (like many aspies on here), but I'm sure you know that you need to piecemeal the information over time when you start hanging out with someone new. It doesn't seem like she knows.

2. You asked her not to go through your phone. She disrespected that, with you still being somewhat of a stranger at that point. Then she got upset at a private text message she took completely out of context.
Again, this screams lack of respect for people's boundaries. One, snuggling is really not that sexual, so she had no reason to be upset by that. Two, she essentially accused you of cheating on her. I suppose this is the only point where I can give her some benefit of doubt, since I myself had situations where I assumed there was a relationship after only once date. But still, such a lack of knowledge about how relationships work is disturbing even to me, someone who didn't go on a real date until age 18.

3. She asked for your friend's phone number within minutes of meeting him, with you standing right there! Then she cried when you asked what her deal is.
First of all, your buddy is partially to blame here for giving his number to her with you standing there. That's against the Man Code. But without your arm around that girl (or some other "territorial" gesture), maybe he thought you two were just platonic friends. Despite her being in the wrong, she used crying and false accusations to make you the bad guy. Especially by questioning your motives for texting other girls after having gone out with you only twice. Also, what she said to you is really interesting: "you only care about how I make you feel". Which raises the question: does she care how she makes you feel?

4. She broke down in tears, talked about how she'd be destroyed, and made veiled suicide threats when you said you wanted out.
You did the smart thing and tried to get out. (Good job on that.) Her reaction here is very questionable: "you changed me and stole my heart", "I cant live another day without you", etc. It's noble to say this to a husband who wants a divorce. But not to a guy you knew for just a few weeks! She attaches way too quickly and too tightly. I know I'd she scared sh*tless if I were in your situation. Heck, I once got spooked when a girl I just met sent me 5 texts in a single day. But you're right about one thing: it's never your obligation to help her an emotionally troubled woman. It's a job for a trained professional with a Ph.D. in psychology, not an aspie guy whose social skills and relationship experience aren't exactly great. You don't owe that girl anything more than basic respect as a human being.

5. How can you love someone in 2 weeks?
You can't! At 2 weeks, it's not love, it's infatuation. That's what your lady friend was feeling. She just called it by a completely wrong (not to mention spooky) term. Love (the romantic kind) for a long-time partner or a spouse, not for someone you met 2 weeks ago. She definitely doesn't understand that, and it's not your job to teach that to her. Besides, consider this scenario: what if you do something she doesn't like, and she retaliates (and she seems to like retaliation) by going to the police and filing false charges. Do you really want to spend 25 years in a cell with Bubba? No need to answer that.


(0) O_O Yeah I know too. I told her that stuff wasn't her fault. And if she's not over that then she should not be dating.

(1) Nope. The journal was more like a personal diary. She had poems and short stories in them. She also drew pictures of certain scenarios. And she's actually a nice artists with a a nice creative style. The journal had her feelings in it.
Many people shared deep stuff with me. Idk why. But, I'd take it to the grave with me. Yes I have had a crazy childhood so I related, but I dealt with it differently than most.

(2) I told her she could go through it but she won't probably like what she see. She didn't heed my warning and did it anyway. I tell any woman I'm with the very same thing. Don't go looking for answers you don't want. I understood where she was coming from on terms of dating.
My thing is 2 or 3 dates doesn't make things official until we actually discuss becoming an item. Once we are an item, I'd show my woman the phone and whatever numbers she felt uncomfy with I'd tell the others I am in a relationship, and I'd delete them.
Same thing applies to her with having other guys in her phone.

(30) O_o It wasn't really my friend fault. He didn't even barely know her. I didn't tell him I was going with her or anything. If I said that, he wouldn't have done that. But for her to do that, I was not mad, I just wanted to let her know how was it okay for her to do that. I wanted to see her answer and reaction. You don't do that to your partner no matter what. She didn't even ask if it was okay.
I told her that statement myself; "you only care about how I make you feel."
When I said that to her, she was like, "You really feel like that?"
Which is true. She cares about how I feel to a small degree. But not significant enough for me.

(4) No I have no PhD in psychology. And I told her the exact same thing in the argument when she found out about the text. I said we don't owe eachother nothing. I gave her tons of respect. I still do. Thats with any human being.
But I'm not scared that much.
I was like--oh f**k (O_O) when she showed
me signs of suicide. But I handled the situation pretty well.

(5) I don't know nothing of love. But I am not in love with her. I have care for her though. She's a cool person. But I am keeping a distance between us. I realized I couldn't explain to her that she was not in love with me. She's counter it with, "How are you gonna tell me how I feel?" lol
She never hit me. And she doesn't give off the jailbait aura. But that's why I am keeping things platonic with us. I'm not against just being friends.


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If SLICING my chest open, a BRIGHT beam of NICE things.
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