Who are the Self Proclaimed Nice Guys here?

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02 Mar 2014, 7:02 am

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Yeah, being a "nice guy" has NOTHING to do with whether or not you have a date, Jono.


Not so much just not having a date, it has more to do with ASD symptoms making it harder for them to get dates and then simply posting about their troubles the L&D forum, whether or not . Yes, I know that the general description of Nice Guy™ is guy who pretends to be nice in order to manipulate women into sleeping with them but if all guys in the L&D forum who are accused of being Nice Guys™ had fit that description then how do you explain that both billiscool and Tim Tex were accused of being Nice Guys™ in this thread alone when that is clearly not the case?



And even ShamlessGit, he sounds angry and bitter toward women but there's no evidence that he pretends to be Nice.



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02 Mar 2014, 8:41 am

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Yes, I know that the general description of Nice Guy™ is guy who pretends to be nice in order to manipulate women into sleeping with them but if all guys in the L&D forum who are accused of being Nice Guys™ had fit that description then how do you explain that both billiscool and Tim Tex were accused of being Nice Guys™ in this thread alone when that is clearly not the case?
If that's the definition of Nice Guy being used instead of pretending to be nice to get dates; I should never have been accused of it on this forum sense I posted at least abit about being on the asesuality spectrum & even more so about not wanting casual sex & the like.


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02 Mar 2014, 10:24 am

My definition of a Nice Guy is a guy with too much feminine energy who finds a girl to extract masculine energy from so he can feel more adequate. In other words, a guy who is too afraid to socialize with women, yet judges his self-worth by how women receive him. Friendship does not equal romance. That's why friend-zoning happens. Its like quarantine on McAfee Anti-Virus.

Many Nice Guys become bitter and either become Mr. I Hate Nice Guys, or they turn into Mr. Women's Rights Lawyer, or generally accuse anyone slightly off kilter of having ulterior motives or otherwise being discriminatory. A great example of this kind is Geekonychus. And Deuterium. And Willard. And Fnord.

I'm going to get a lot of hate mail.



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02 Mar 2014, 12:46 pm

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My definition of a Nice Guy is a guy with too much feminine energy who finds a girl to extract masculine energy from so he can feel more adequate. In other words, a guy who is too afraid to socialize with women, yet judges his self-worth by how women receive him. Friendship does not equal romance. That's why friend-zoning happens. Its like quarantine on McAfee Anti-Virus.

Many Nice Guys become bitter and either become Mr. I Hate Nice Guys, or they turn into Mr. Women's Rights Lawyer, or generally accuse anyone slightly off kilter of having ulterior motives or otherwise being discriminatory. A great example of this kind is Geekonychus. And Deuterium. And Willard. And Fnord.

I'm going to get a lot of hate mail.


Sound definition IMO, Mindslave. And LOL, call me a jerk but there's nothing big or clever about a guy who is proud to sit when he pees or whiteknights an entire board. ;)

I feel that for many many years I was one of those trademarked Nice Guys. Hell, in the eyes of some I still might be. So be it. Who's to say any personal developments I've made have been successful or steered me along the right path? I'm gonna play along, Boo. Add me to the list :lol:

Oh and slave, embrace the hatemail!



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02 Mar 2014, 1:20 pm

I am confused....

So now we have two lists of WP's Nice Guys™:

-billiscool
-ShamlessGit
-JanuaryMan
-Mindslave

and the other list:
-Geekonychus
-Willard
-Deuterium
-Fnord

??


Or are they one list?

Ladies, tell us!!

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02 Mar 2014, 1:22 pm

nick007 wrote:
Jono wrote:
mouthyb wrote:
Yes, I know that the general description of Nice Guy™ is guy who pretends to be nice in order to manipulate women into sleeping with them but if all guys in the L&D forum who are accused of being Nice Guys™ had fit that description then how do you explain that both billiscool and Tim Tex were accused of being Nice Guys™ in this thread alone when that is clearly not the case?
If that's the definition of Nice Guy being used instead of pretending to be nice to get dates; I should never have been accused of it on this forum sense I posted at least abit about being on the asesuality spectrum & even more so about not wanting casual sex & the like.


Oh you too were accused?

Updating list:

-billiscool
-ShamlessGit
-JanuaryMan
-Mindslave
-nick007

and the other list:
-Geekonychus
-Willard
-Deuterium
-Fnord



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03 Mar 2014, 4:29 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
and the other list:
-Geekonychus
-Willard
-Deuterium
-Fnord


Where did that list come from? those are all people who have been successful with finding a partner, though Willard has previously been bitter about his past marriage.



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03 Mar 2014, 4:35 am

Jono wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
and the other list:
-Geekonychus
-Willard
-Deuterium
-Fnord


Where did that list come from? those are all people who have been successful with finding a partner, though Willard has previously been bitter about his past marriage.


Oh well to be fair, this list according to Mindslave is called the " Mr. I Hate Nice Guys" list, those are the anti-Nice Guys. According to him, those are former Nice Guys TM too.



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03 Mar 2014, 4:54 am

That quote being attributed to me is not mine, fellas. It's jono's.

In general, though, aside from the manipulation of women, nice guys also tend to have a great deal of antipathy toward women that they essentially take no personal responsibility for their behavior and its effect, and tend to generalize about women in ways which justify treating them poorly (including alleging a gender-wide conspiracy). However, they are sort of generally polite in person and/or support 'nice' causes, so they tend to believe that no matter what they say or do, they're really nice people (who just have to be mean to all those b*****s/a**holes out there so they can get theirs first.)

It's not uncommon, of course, for people to want to believe they're nice when they aren't. The idea, though, is that there's a toxic mix of blaming others, generalization, stereotyping, manipulative behavior and/or self-pity which combine to make the person in question (because you can generalize across gender some, here, if not directly) unpleasant to talk to or be around. This contributes to the dating problems they blame an entire gender, and the cycle continues. It may not be intentionally dishonest, but being a nice person is functionally dishonest.

Sometimes, of course, our problems dating are a matter of our respective autism, but the pattern I'm talking about happens across autistic and NT populations, and one which effectively prevents the individual from being able to form relationships.

As far as being nice, I have no such illusions about myself--I've spent too much time getting to know myself (and I am only nice by dint of effort and a general attempt at ethics.)


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03 Mar 2014, 5:42 am

I'm on a list! Frankly I have no idea what the list is for, but I'm just going to be excited for the time being.



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03 Mar 2014, 5:50 am

Hey, should I be on the list?

I always thought I am a Self proclaimed Jerk, but who knows.



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03 Mar 2014, 6:03 am

@The_Face_of_Boo: I nominate you to be on the unspecified list I'm on.

I hope I'm on the list for being a

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Women's Rights Lawyer

because that sounds both noble and high-paying.



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03 Mar 2014, 6:08 am

^ Noble, yes. High-paying?! High-paying in what and for what?



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03 Mar 2014, 6:14 am

The word "lawyer" inspires me to imagine someone who makes more money in a year than I probably ever will in 10 consecutive years.



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03 Mar 2014, 7:24 am

We need the opinion of OliveOilMom on that, she's expert in Nice Guys matters.



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03 Mar 2014, 8:03 am

Kurgan wrote:
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I am seeing all the time, especially ladies, people posting threads and posts about "self proclaimed Nice Guys" as if they are addressing and giving "lessons" to a LARGE audience of WP who all fit "Nice Guys TM" description.

I dare you to name them, who are they? Which members? What are their usernames? How much % they make of guys here? And how can you identify them on the screen?

Let's start creating the list.


The "nice guy" is an internet stereotype that's gotten out of hand, and that describes very few people in real life.


I agree it has gotten out of hand but I wouldn't exclusively refer to it being stated on the internet.


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