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30 Oct 2015, 4:04 am

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Well yeah, everyone has to do s**t tests when it's required by the doctors; I guess aspie women do poop too.


:lol: I had a wtf moment reading the title. It's just the same box with different gift wrap.


It's still poop in there, stinky and disgusting, no matter how pinkish and girlish you try to make it look.



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30 Oct 2015, 4:27 am

That is a yuk post, FOB.



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30 Oct 2015, 4:44 am

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That is a yuk post, FOB.


Hey, it's nature talk.



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30 Oct 2015, 8:59 am

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About the breaking up thing: You have to decide who is more important, your partner or yourself. This is a risky game to play because it can backfire. You are unhappy with your partner so you threaten to break up with them or you are telling them to leave or you are packing up to leave and they let you do it, you are hurt at the end because they let you go so you feel hurt and rejected because they didn't care enough about you because they didn't pick you.
Breaking up is serious behavior. This is why departure should not be threatened without the full intent to carry through.

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I say only do this if you are really going to break up with them and you are prepared to but also have in mind you will give them another chance if they decide to work it out so you give them another chance. But it is possible your partner might think this is just a game so they act cool about it and let you go, bam you leave and they are hurt because they realize you were serious and they had lost you and they feel like they had screwed up.
Hearing you* say "Please don't leave me! / Please let me stay!" may be exactly what they wanted to hear from you* when they issued their ultimatum. Thus their look of shock and confusion when you* say "Good-bye" in response to their "My way or the highway" ultimatum - they were expecting you* to be so devastated by even the threat of a break-up that you* would make a bargain with the Devil to stay together.

Capitulation results in a relationship based on demands and threats from then on.


*NOTE: I'm making use of the collective 'you' and not the singular 'you'.


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30 Oct 2015, 9:05 am

In the old English, collective you was ye, while singular was thou? right? Why did you drop this to make it more confusing?



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30 Oct 2015, 1:26 pm

... so that the person I was replying to would not assume that I was making a personal attack ...


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30 Oct 2015, 1:40 pm

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i've never done this or had it done to me. i wouldn't appreciate such a test and might consider it grounds for ending the relationship. if you date a person for at least six months before committing yourself to them, as domestic violence experts suggest, life will put enough stressors in their path in that time for you to be able to sort out who they really are without any artificial drama.

I agree. To my way of thinking, being 'tested' would be a deal killer. It is far better to slowly grow together and get to know each other's strengths and weaknesses and to adjust accordingly.


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In my first two relationships I would say about wanting to break up with them while I was very hurt and upset. I had to learn to not say this when I am upset because every time I would say it, I would realize I didn't mean it. My rule of thumb is never say things while you are upset and wait until you are calm and if you still feel the same way, then say it. I used to not understand why it was a bad thing to do in a relationship, now I know. It comes off as a game and manipulation and you will not get support from your partner so it's tough for me to tell if my ex was egging me to leave like a bully would with their victim when they say they want to hit them so they go "go ahead." Then you are hurt if your partner acts dismissive because they are calling it a game you are playing so not a good idea to say this. It's like how a kid goes "I hate you, you're mean, I want a new family" when they don't get their way because they haven't developed enough proper communication to express themselves so telling that child to "go ahead" can backfire on them because then they really feel you don't love them. It's the same here in relationships if you say you want to break up with them but don't mean it because you don't have a proper way of expressing your feelings and then you are hurt when your partner doesn't give a s**t because of the misunderstanding. The parents think their kid is being manipulative, the partner thinks their partner is being manipulative which is why my husband told me you have to be careful when you do it to the child and it's the same with relationships too. So like I say it's tough for me to even consider this abuse on my ex's part because abusers do not care about your feelings and they dismiss them. But I can imagine an abused telling their abuser they want to leave them so the abuser goes just like a bully "Go ahead" because it makes them feel so powerful it's like "Oh you are going to leave me, I dare you, just try." So yeah be careful when you say this and make sure you mean it when you say it and don't expect any good results. It's like gambling. Also if you often feel like breaking up, then you should break up because the relationship is bad. How much longer can you wait? They rarely change and the longer you stay, the harder it is to leave them.

In my first relationship when I was starting to think about breaking up with him because things were not getting better and he was staying the same, I talked to him about it and he acted indifferent about it saying "if we break up, we break up." He said this every time so one day I broke up with him and he didn't take it well at all. He called himself a screw up and fell into depression and I was so confused by his reaction because he had acted all cool about it before I broke up with him. I realize now he probably thought I was playing a game so he was probably doing reverse psychology and it backfired so he was hurt because he had realized I was serious and he blew it. Now the contradiction makes sense.

In my third relationship, I didn't make the same mistake again. That sentence was off limits for when I am upset and still is and should be for everyone. I think only say this when you absolutely sure you are wanting to break up with them and if your partner thinks this is just a game so they don't make any amends and improvements, their loss. It can be a lesson for them to learn. I am sure it was a hard lesson for my first boyfriend.



Have you ever been in a relationship with someone who has Borderline Personality Disorder? My last gf had it. There were times when I made it clear that I was going to break up with her if she continued her emotional abuse and manipulative behavior like crossing boundaries knowingly and striking at my weak points on a daily basis. She would do the "please don't leave me! I love you" ploy and then we'd get back together and she'd act like she hated my guts. Not all women are borderline as that is a very extreme condition but I've heard a lot of stories from guys about milder forms of it: The woman they're with is basically insecure because she feels inherently vulnerable and she resorts to manipulative behavior towards the guy out of an emotional need to protect herself. My very first gf was possibly autistic and she never engaged in this kind of behavior. She was so unusual in that she was calm, emotionally stable, and surprisingly confident on the inside. Too bad I lost her. :cry:



And Fnord, you don't get it: When it comes to abusive partners, not matter what way they abuse you(physically, sexually, or emotionally), you cannot change someone else. No amount of love, sex, money, or reassurance is going to persuade them to stop treating you badly. A person who mistreats you and does not change their behavior despite you telling them you dislike they way they treat you is a person who has no respect for you; let alone empathy. The best thing to do is to break up with them. Because if somebody does this, they are the one with the problem and not you. I finally broke it off for good with my ex-gf after a month of distancing myself from her emotionally and spending more and more time away from her(we lived together).

Aspies of both sexes seem to be vulnerable to attracting abusive people because NTs think we're psychologically and emotionally weak.



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30 Oct 2015, 2:05 pm

I am a woman on the spectrum, and I do test people that I date.
I don't act ridiculous or make them do things for me though. I just basically slam them with a 1-2 punch of:

"So... I'm a nerd, I don't like it when other people fix my computers or car for me, I spend half the year in a forest alone for work, I make comic books in my spare time, I refuse to wear makeup, I like to cook, but if you demand I make you something because I am a woman I will spit in it, I have XXX genetic conditions, the odds of my kids having them is XXX. ....Still interested in having dinner?"

I call it the gauntlet of weird. I'm not being irrational, I just prefer to get uncomfortable topics out of the way from the start. If the person is too scared to deal with that, they're probably not going to last in a relation ship with me anyway. I am generally low maintenance and go with the flow, so I like to assert early on what I will be holding my ground on.



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30 Oct 2015, 2:12 pm

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I am a woman on the spectrum, and I do test people that I date.
I don't act ridiculous or make them do things for me though. I just basically slam them with a 1-2 punch of:

"So... I'm a nerd, I don't like it when other people fix my computers or car for me, I spend half the year in a forest alone for work, I make comic books in my spare time, I refuse to wear makeup, I like to cook, but if you demand I make you something because I am a woman I will spit in it, I have XXX genetic conditions, the odds of my kids having them is XXX. ....Still interested in having dinner?"

I call it the gauntlet of weird. I'm not being irrational, I just prefer to get uncomfortable topics out of the way from the start. If the person is too scared to deal with that, they're probably not going to last in a relation ship with me anyway. I am generally low maintenance and go with the flow, so I like to assert early on what I will be holding my ground on.

I wouldn't call that testing. It doesn't seem to me to be manipulative at all.


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30 Oct 2015, 2:12 pm

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... so that the person I was replying to would not assume that I was making a personal attack ...



Or assume I was being falsely accused because I took "you" literal.


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30 Oct 2015, 2:26 pm

Fern wrote:
I am a woman on the spectrum, and I do test people that I date.
I don't act ridiculous or make them do things for me though. I just basically slam them with a 1-2 punch of:

"So... I'm a nerd, I don't like it when other people fix my computers or car for me, I spend half the year in a forest alone for work, I make comic books in my spare time, I refuse to wear makeup, I like to cook, but if you demand I make you something because I am a woman I will spit in it, I have XXX genetic conditions, the odds of my kids having them is XXX. ....Still interested in having dinner?"

I call it the gauntlet of weird. I'm not being irrational, I just prefer to get uncomfortable topics out of the way from the start. If the person is too scared to deal with that, they're probably not going to last in a relation ship with me anyway. I am generally low maintenance and go with the flow, so I like to assert early on what I will be holding my ground on.


That's not what the article was talking about. It was talking about how women will say "Leave me alone" when they want you to hug them and give them comfort and if you listen to their words, you fail the test. Or a woman telling you you can leave and go home when she wants you to stay with her in the hospital so if you leave it and go home, you fail the test. Or the woman keeps buying you things as a way to see if you will stop her or tell her no or decline it and if you accept everything from her, you fail the test.

I think the article was sexist because I thought both men and women did this, not just women.

I have always felt uncomfortable when a guy pays for everything or gets me anything because it makes me feel like a user. I guess that is what the test is about, to see if I will let them do it or take them for granted because it would sure tell them what kind of person I am. But yet some men truly have no problems paying for everything because they think that is the way it is and women pay nothing ever. But then some women don't want those sort of guys because it tells them something about them and its not in a positive light so that test can also backfire on the guy.


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30 Oct 2015, 2:34 pm

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In my first two relationships I would say about wanting to break up with them while I was very hurt and upset. I had to learn to not say this when I am upset because every time I would say it, I would realize I didn't mean it. My rule of thumb is never say things while you are upset and wait until you are calm and if you still feel the same way, then say it. I used to not understand why it was a bad thing to do in a relationship, now I know. It comes off as a game and manipulation and you will not get support from your partner so it's tough for me to tell if my ex was egging me to leave like a bully would with their victim when they say they want to hit them so they go "go ahead." Then you are hurt if your partner acts dismissive because they are calling it a game you are playing so not a good idea to say this. It's like how a kid goes "I hate you, you're mean, I want a new family" when they don't get their way because they haven't developed enough proper communication to express themselves so telling that child to "go ahead" can backfire on them because then they really feel you don't love them. It's the same here in relationships if you say you want to break up with them but don't mean it because you don't have a proper way of expressing your feelings and then you are hurt when your partner doesn't give a s**t because of the misunderstanding. The parents think their kid is being manipulative, the partner thinks their partner is being manipulative which is why my husband told me you have to be careful when you do it to the child and it's the same with relationships too. So like I say it's tough for me to even consider this abuse on my ex's part because abusers do not care about your feelings and they dismiss them. But I can imagine an abused telling their abuser they want to leave them so the abuser goes just like a bully "Go ahead" because it makes them feel so powerful it's like "Oh you are going to leave me, I dare you, just try." So yeah be careful when you say this and make sure you mean it when you say it and don't expect any good results. It's like gambling. Also if you often feel like breaking up, then you should break up because the relationship is bad. How much longer can you wait? They rarely change and the longer you stay, the harder it is to leave them.

In my first relationship when I was starting to think about breaking up with him because things were not getting better and he was staying the same, I talked to him about it and he acted indifferent about it saying "if we break up, we break up." He said this every time so one day I broke up with him and he didn't take it well at all. He called himself a screw up and fell into depression and I was so confused by his reaction because he had acted all cool about it before I broke up with him. I realize now he probably thought I was playing a game so he was probably doing reverse psychology and it backfired so he was hurt because he had realized I was serious and he blew it. Now the contradiction makes sense.

In my third relationship, I didn't make the same mistake again. That sentence was off limits for when I am upset and still is and should be for everyone. I think only say this when you absolutely sure you are wanting to break up with them and if your partner thinks this is just a game so they don't make any amends and improvements, their loss. It can be a lesson for them to learn. I am sure it was a hard lesson for my first boyfriend.



Have you ever been in a relationship with someone who has Borderline Personality Disorder? My last gf had it. There were times when I made it clear that I was going to break up with her if she continued her emotional abuse and manipulative behavior like crossing boundaries knowingly and striking at my weak points on a daily basis. She would do the "please don't leave me! I love you" ploy and then we'd get back together and she'd act like she hated my guts. Not all women are borderline as that is a very extreme condition but I've heard a lot of stories from guys about milder forms of it: The woman they're with is basically insecure because she feels inherently vulnerable and she resorts to manipulative behavior towards the guy out of an emotional need to protect herself. My very first gf was possibly autistic and she never engaged in this kind of behavior. She was so unusual in that she was calm, emotionally stable, and surprisingly confident on the inside. Too bad I lost her. :cry:



And Fnord, you don't get it: When it comes to abusive partners, not matter what way they abuse you(physically, sexually, or emotionally), you cannot change someone else. No amount of love, sex, money, or reassurance is going to persuade them to stop treating you badly. A person who mistreats you and does not change their behavior despite you telling them you dislike they way they treat you is a person who has no respect for you; let alone empathy. The best thing to do is to break up with them. Because if somebody does this, they are the one with the problem and not you. I finally broke it off for good with my ex-gf after a month of distancing myself from her emotionally and spending more and more time away from her(we lived together).

Aspies of both sexes seem to be vulnerable to attracting abusive people because NTs think we're psychologically and emotionally weak.



My second ex had covert narcissism I believe. My first one was just nuts. I don't think he was an abuser or a narcissistic, he was just lazy and didn't want to work because he didn't like how our country worked where you had to work for money and pay to live and he thought everything should be handed to us and he always had excuses to not do things.

Funny thing is I have thought if I was the abuser in my second relationship and thought if that was why he ghosted but because he had contacted me twice after I met my husband asking me about him, I don't so or otherwise he wouldn't have contacted me. The abused would not contact their abusers about their new partner saying how they hope things are well with them and wishing them well in their new relationship and telling them they hope things work out and that they are happy and wishing them a happy Thanksgiving and telling them their mother died. This is something a narcissistic does after they have been silent on their victim for a while and then all of a sudden they come back and are speaking to them again. I was very confused about this but after reading about it, him coming back twice makes more sense.


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30 Oct 2015, 6:37 pm

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... Fnord, you don't get it: When it comes to abusive partners, not matter what way they abuse you(physically, sexually, or emotionally), you cannot change someone else. No amount of love, sex, money, or reassurance is going to persuade them to stop treating you badly. A person who mistreats you and does not change their behavior despite you telling them you dislike they way they treat you is a person who has no respect for you; let alone empathy. The best thing to do is to break up with them. Because if somebody does this, they are the one with the problem and not you. I finally broke it off for good with my ex-gf after a month of distancing myself from her emotionally and spending more and more time away from her(we lived together)...
Reality check, please? When did I ever say anything about changing an abusive partner? It is YOU who didn't "get it" - if you'd actually read my posts, you'd have seen that I advocate leaving any person who demands, threatens, and issues ultimatums.

I left my dad's house at the age of 18 after he told me that everything that was mine actually belonged to him, and that if I didn't like it, then I could "get the Hell out". I've taken the "Highway" option in similar ultimatums ever since, and doing so has always worked out better for me.


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30 Oct 2015, 7:45 pm

I'd fail all the verbal "s**t tests"... 8O

If anyone tells me to leave them alone, and there's no clear indication for me to stay, then I just will, lol.
If I ask someone if they want to eat the last slice of pizza and they answer "if you're not hungry anymore..." I'll just eat it if I'm still hungry.
If someone tells me "I hate you", I'll take it at face value most of the time.

So basically I'm screwed. 8O :( :lol: :mrgreen:



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30 Oct 2015, 9:03 pm

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So I've heard a lot about s**t testing these days...mainly from PickUp Artists and now it has permeated its way into pop culture. But when I think about it, many women I've gone on first dates with and 2 of my ex-gf's(only had 3) engaged in this behavior a great deal. I would often get frustrated and extremely angry about women being rude to me on dates for no apparent reason and it's because I didn't pick up on what they were trying to do.

But do Aspie women tend to do this as well? That is, give guys a hard time without warning and provocation to see how they react and how much they can get away with. Or say things they don't mean such as "leave me alone!" when they're upset when they actually don't want to be left alone. Ya know, typical manipulative behavior that is a byproduct of being insecure and emotionally volatile.

Here's an article about it: http://www.wealthylovelife.com/shit-tes ... jKZB5eCqBs


I never tended towards doing that, sounds terrible....and I doubt all neurotypical females subscribe to that crap either. I mean how ridiculous. I would be rude on a date if I didn't want to see the person again and they kept persisting but I see no reason it would make sense to out of the blue be b*tchy at a potential boyfriend. I do not think I would have made it to that stage with my current boyfriend if I had pulled a move like that initially.


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