Should I be with an older woman?
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I don't know why I bother. Two years ago I had girls telling me they didn't like me because I was underemployed. So I got a good job and worked my butt off to increase my wealth but it still didn't make any difference.
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I think I need to take a brake from girls for a while. All this is really stressing me out. Even if Michelle doesn't come back I can't be with Mary. The thought of being with a 31 year old woman makes me nauseated and the thought of actual marrying her fills me with dread and terror.
The trouble is I already told her I loved her when I didn't and promised to be with her forever and not think of other women. I think she's really smitten with her and I don't know how to break things off without hurting her feelings.
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I don't know why I bother. Two years ago I had girls telling me they didn't like me because I was underemployed. So I got a good job and worked my butt off to increase my wealth but it still didn't make any difference.
Yes. Clearly. Being poor is the less bad option if the only alternative is mysoginist foreign guy with a fetish for the Asian ladies.
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I don't know why I bother. Two years ago I had girls telling me they didn't like me because I was underemployed. So I got a good job and worked my butt off to increase my wealth but it still didn't make any difference.
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I don't know why I bother. Two years ago I had girls telling me they didn't like me because I was underemployed. So I got a good job and worked my butt off to increase my wealth but it still didn't make any difference.
I don't know if you're horrible, buit you said quite a few things that I didn't really like. If I were a girl I wouldn't date you.
Btw do you think this Michelle ever liked you in a serious way? From what you read you don't seem to think so.
Actually there is nothing wrong in being attracted to Asian traits, and surely nothing racist as well.
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I think I said something to upset her and she has every right to be upset with me. The trouble is since she never explained I can only speculate as to which of the things I said upset her. The last argument we had before she broke off was when she got mad at me because I didn't text her for six hours. That's not even that long. Just one afternoon.
Actually there is nothing wrong in being attracted to Asian traits, and surely nothing racist as well.
I simply like the way they look. I find their physical traits aesthetically appealing, most of all their eyes.
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I'm just not sure what I should do. Michelle said she wanted to talk to me "tomorrow". That was last week, maybe it was because I had an exam so I wanted two days to contact her instead of the next day, maybe it's because she works long hours away from wifi and her phone doesn't have a data plan, maybe I come across as too desperate.
And Mary, I thought about dumping her but some days she doesn't seem so bad, some days I think she's OK, I can imagine a happy future with her, some days she seems nauseating to me, I can imagine a regrettable future with her. Maybe she comes across as too desperate.
I can't make up my mind. It's like this for me any time I try to make a decision. I keep flipping back and forth in my mind. I don't want to hurt Mary's feelings but that may be unavoidable. Maybe I really am destined to be with her. Last year I was willing to be with any woman at all. If I let her go am I doomed to a life of solitude?
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This is good advice. Expecting the woman in the relationship to do all the domestic labour is wrong and sexist. As an adult you should be capable of doing those things for yourself, and in a healthy adult relationship those responsibilities should be shared equally.
It failed. Michelle got mad at me. I said some bad things but she was still very happy up until about a week after that. Then for two days she acted very phlegmatic. Maybe because she had a new job she didn't have time to talk to me. Then, she all but ghosted me.
I was devested. After a while I went onto OKCupid. I spent a few weeks messaging girls on that. None of the girls who chatted with me were serious. Most of them wanted to talk about their interests more than dating.
Then I saw a girl who lived in the Philippines. I casually said "You're pretty. Wanna live in Australia? I'll buy you a Visa". She casually replied with "Sure". It was a few hours before she was asking for my last name so she could insert Mrs in front of it.
No problem right? 22 year old girl, not as pretty as Michelle but still fairly cute. After two days, something went wrong. She said that now she was "really falling for me" (she hadn't before?)
She said she was shy about her looks so she had been using her younger sister's OKCupid account. She said her sister told her to be honest. So she was honest. She's 31 years old. The prospect of being with a girl who's in her 30s fills me with horror. It seems so old. But then I remember while I may have the maturity of a 20 year old I'm actually 28. But with her I could never experience being with a girl in her 20s (Mei La doesn't count because we only got to 2nd base).
As for the older woman, let's call her Mary, she had yet another dark secret. She already had a kid. What is they say about women who have already given birth? Like throwing a baseball through a barn door?
I think she actually wants to bring her kid over. Raising my own kids would already be bad enough. I can't stand kids but the consolation is that with my own kid I'd at least be winning the game of evolution. With her 7 year old daughter, I'd be letting her ex win at evolution.
I have no ill will towards the poor child. I feel a bit sorry for her growing up in poverty so I sent some money to pay for her antibiotics. And what about Mary? What does she look like? She looks like a woman who's in her 30s. The horror!
Her personality is actually not that bad. She tends to cry a lot and she's a bit accident prone but she's OK. She's a lot more easy going than Michelle. Withh Michelle it was quite easy to offend her with my words. One day she would say something makes her mad, the next day she would say it's fine and discuss it openly and then when I try to discuss it the day after that she said it made her mad again. Why did Michelle have to be so inconsistant? Mostly she got mad about stuff related to sex and contraception. She was more interested in cuddling than sex. She talked endlessly about how she wanted someone to hug her and kiss her. I think she was a bit loved starved. She missed human contact after her last boyfriend dumped her. She had little interest in sex. She was very loving and sweet and passionate. But she was also a fiery one. She was small but fierce. She was very determined when it came to her job.
Mary doesn't anger easily. Mary doesn't mind talking openly about sex. It doesn't anger her and most of the time she's the one who actually brings the subject up. She's not so fiery, more like she's submissive. She says she'll have my breakfast ready before I wake up. She knows a lot of recipes. Michelle said she would cook for me and iron for me but she doesn't know many recipes. Michelle said she would do anything for the people she loves but it was just talk. When Mary says she will do anything for me she means it quit literally.
She follows my orders to the letter and calls me boss without meaning it sarcastically. Michelle was thin, Mary, not so thin. Now most girls would get offended when a guy tells them to go on a diet. Not Mary. I told her to eat only one meal per day. "Yes boss" she happily replied. Now she's on one slice of bread per day (her idea, not mine).
Mary seems very loving. She keeps on saying she loves me. She just doesn't seem as passionate about it. Not as fiery. Her phone calls are sickening sweet. Then again my phone calls with Michelle were cold as ice. Michelle's passion only extends as far as text. However, Michelle was a very nice sounding voice. Mary sounds like she's trying to a cute sounding voice and failing at it. She tries to do the ABG (Asian Baby Girl) voice. Mei La was an expert at this. Mary isn't. Michelle spoke in her natural tone of voice at all times.
Now talking to Mary only reminds me of how much I miss Michelle. She had personality. She was interesting. And her looks? I cannot overemphasize how amazing her looks are. She was waaaay out of my league. My friends were very impressed when they saw her pictures. Last year she went in a beauty pageant. She won it. She actually looked good enough to win a beauty pagent. I was going to spend my life with a beauty pageant winner. All in the past now, Michelle is gone. Her family was disappointed in her for leaving me because they really liked me.
So Mary? Nice girl but she feels like settling. She's too old. She probably used to be cute but not now. I used to think that I would have to settle because the perfect girl doesn't exist. That was before I knew of Michelle. There is a perfect girl and she dumped me.
Mary has a nice personality and she could do my ironing. Cooking? It would be nice if I didn't have to eat takeout all the time. How I miss home cooking. Sex would no issue for her. She has no problem with contraceptives (unlike Michelle who says they're bad, then says they're OK).
But I just have a hard time seeing me spending my life with Mary. I wouldn't mind having a brief relationship with her but the visa requires me to marry her. I wish I could marry Michelle instead.
So am I being shallow, getting hung up on looks and age? Or is it better for me not to settle with Mary? I know it's bad to settle but I feel like if I don't settle, if I don't draw the line somewhere I could be an old man before I meet a girl who's not settling. I have already used up a third of my life and I don't want to use up the rest of it. When I meet the girl for me, I want to have a lot of years left to spend with her. The years after 70 aren't much good due to failing health and mind. I have 42 years left. I don't want to spend a large fraction of that searching for a girl who isn't "settling".
Michelle is gone, probably. I had a brief conversation with her in which she said she forgave me. I asked her if she was willing to come back to me and she said she would talk to me at a time when she's not trying to sleep. I forgot about the timezone difference. She said would could chat tomorrow. That was a few days ago. She has not responded. I told her she could chat when she was "ready". That could take years.
Even talking to Mary makes me feel like I'm cheating on Michelle. I feel like I'm doing something immoral even though I'm not currently in a relationship with Michelle. Perhaps Michelle doesn't have time for me because her new job has very long hours, six days per week. I told her she shouldn't bother, she should just get a job here, I told her she's better off getting $17 per hour here than $2 per hour there.
I feel so conflicted. Maybe I should stop being shallow about looks and age and go with the older woman. Or maybe I should stop trying to settle and wait for a girl who feels right for me. It seems like that girl could only be Michelle. When I look into other girls' eyes, I just see Michelle. She was the only girl meant for me. If she doesn't come back maybe I'm better of spending my life alone.
It's not question of "should" or "should not". If you like younger women, fine. But the fact that Mary has a child by another man and that you're not prepared to be a stepfather means that you really should not jump into a relationship with her. However, DO NOT LEAD MARY ON!
And more importantly, you still have baggage and feelings of unrequited love for Michelle and you really haven't moved on yet. I say this is a bad idea. But if you must, you need to take things slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwly with Mary and don't give her any inkling that you're ready to commit. But if Mary's age and child is too much for you to handle, then just forgettaboutit.
This is good advice. Expecting the woman in the relationship to do all the domestic labour is wrong and sexist. As an adult you should be capable of doing those things for yourself, and in a healthy adult relationship those responsibilities should be shared equally.
This advice was intended in a more pragmatic sense. It is after all far easier to pay a servant to do your domestic chores than it is to hire a sexy, young, gorgeous, Asian lady, to be affectionate, passionate, faithful, and totally in love with you. Pick your battles, was my thinking. And, no fighting over the dishes this way, either.
Still, to each their own. It's a big world with plenty of room for all kinds of attitudes and lifestyles.
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