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Boo, how important is religion to her? This faith business is nonsense to me; but, I guess it matters to some people. Personally, if alcohol is not your preference (which I totally get because it turns people into asses,) could you at least share a joint? And, also, if it's not too impertinent, have you guys had sex yet ... 'cause that changes things too.

Would she out you as an atheist if things got hairy? But you know her very well, right?

I think that is an excellent idea, it seems like you have some big things to consider.

So many questions...won't reply all now.

Anyway,

She knows I am atheist, but I am reserved in real life, I don't attack some religion when I am with people because....it will cause headache.

But I do have harsh opinion about islam because it totally contradicts my inner values: viewtopic.php?t=320545

LOL if she sees that PPR thread....I dunno what her reaction would be.


Islam is a like a endless black pit, the more I dig and read about it and about its prophet, the more I find out that it's even darker than I thought. Mohammad and his legacy make me very physiologically ashamed.


I recall one conversation we had and I didn't like it, it was one of those she talked about when she found out about my atheism; I think she asked me about hell and heaven, and I countered her question whether she thinks all other religions won't go to heaven and told her i thought this would be very unfair, but she turned out she believes that they won't go to heaven because (in her opinion) everyone had a chance to read and explore about Islam so there's no excuse for them, even those living in Caribbean islands...

She's also of the school of thought (it's common) who believe that Islam existed since the dawn of time, since Adam, but that got modified and corrupted by sinners over time, leading to other non-perfect religions like Judaism and Christianity, and to totally wrong religions like pagan religions....but the original source of all is Islam, and mohammad's mission was to remind the people of it. For those, they think that Christians/non-Muslims (no consensus on Jews, some think they're believers) are continuing the original sins of kufr.

Well....she has an erroneous view of Islam. It's an interesting history; but there was no Islam until about AD 634.

At least it seems like she works for a living, and is a "modern" woman in lots of ways.

She didn't bring it from nowhere
http://www.justaskislam.com/22/did-isla ... -upon-him/

yes she is working as accountant, how did you know? lol

I don't know, some girls don't reveal all their standards before things get serious, right?

at androbot, yes for first question, and no, no sex. Nosy. :no:

As far as I can tell, the Lebanese government isn't fanatically Islam like it is in a place like Saudi Arabia. Isn't the government coalition of Christians, Druze, and Muslims?

I don't think "outing" Boo as an atheist would have any effect.

I figured she had to be a "modern" woman, because you move in "modern" circles, rather than traditional Islamic circles.

Did she go to University abroad?

You're thinking politically? Stuff like that can have huge consequences for personal relationships. Family, friends, neighbours, employers. That's what I'm thinking about. Try being gay in the Bible Belt. Sure, it's legal. Hassle free, not so much. Also, you'll find that a lot of communities will accept a person having a religion that is different from theirs, but not people not having a religion.

Who is going to control you if you don't have a religion? That is the question.

I guess that's what I have not been understanding about the American attitude to Islam - that the negative view of Islam in the US is directly linked to terrorism and not so much to social questions. Here in Europe, people worry about harassment of women and Jews, and about parents murdering their daughters for having a boyfriend. In Sweden, there is a term "Balkongflickor", or "Balcony Girls". It refers to the unusually large number of teenage girls from muslim families who have died from "falling" off a balcony.

I've been a witness to some of the strange contortions kids from patriarchal cultures go through to have a normal life while concealing it from their parents. They don't do it for fun.

So I guess if one doesn't support Islam then one is like a barbarian, according to kufr.



lol ... I am nosy ... I like to gather information.

I understand what you saying, Underwater.

I was specifically addressing his girlfriend "outing" him as an atheist. This is political--and it can cause personal consequences as well in some Islamic societies. One could be ostracized, say, because of this.

But not really in Lebanon, especially in inner-city Beirut, as far as I can tell. Unless, of course, a fundamentalist regime takes over.

Boo resides in Beirut, a cosmopolitan city, international in outlook. His girlfriend is an accountant, who might have been educated abroad (that makes more of a difference than one might think). They seem to travel in relatively "progressive" circles.

I don't feel the "cultural divide" is that great between those two (though I'm not there--so who knows?)

No she graduated locally.

Did she go to the American University?

Let me emphasize: universities have been around in the Islamic world longer than they have been around in Europe. I know that Cairo's University (I don't remember the name) was founded about AD 987.

So true especially the bold part.

I recall Christian coworkers were surprised when they found me eating during the islamic fasting month; and they were like "why don't you fast?" ... some even where like "but your religion tells you that you should fast".... lol, seriously they were really concerned that I am not practicing my religion which is not theirs.

Eventually all my coworkers knew that I am atheist, even the muslim ones - but they're all well educated and elite engineers, designers and IT, it was a safe environment, there was no problem; and they were in the 30-50 range meaning atheism isn't something alien for them, communist and leftist movements were very popular among the muslim community back in the 70-80s.
My lady friend is mid 20 and she doesn't recall the era of the red flags at all. She was born in the time of increasing religiosity.

No, a national one - the french section of it.