I broke up with my aspie boyfriend...could I have done more?

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27 Jul 2016, 12:38 pm

People should note that I didn't say that NDs have less intense emotions. I think NDs have as least as intense emotions as NTs, possibly even more intense. The difference is that NTs want to verbalize their emotions and talk about them with friends and partners, while many NDs both have difficulties in doing this and perhaps even lack motivation in doing so, but they still experience emotions just as intensively.

Especially in regards to the topic here, NDs have much stronger infatuations that lasts longer than NTs. This typically creates problems in dating and breakups when they cannot move on easily. Personally, I have very strong and long lasting infatuations, and I do feel some urge to discuss it with people, but then it is about analysing things, not to talk about the emotion. I also feel that love should be shown with actions, not talked about.



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27 Jul 2016, 12:58 pm

Noted, I stand corrected that you don't mean to say NDs don't have intense emotions, but rather they may not wish to or be able to express them.

I am one of that type who does also both feel the need to express mine and who will express them, via wanting to talk to a person I feel close with emotionally. I'm a touchy-feely-sharey person when I become close to someone I feel compatible with or can trust. It's probably not a typical Asperger profile but I think there are some of us out there.



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27 Jul 2016, 1:01 pm

rdos wrote:
People should note that I didn't say that NDs have less intense emotions. I think NDs have as least as intense emotions as NTs, possibly even more intense. The difference is that NTs want to verbalize their emotions and talk about them with friends and partners, while many NDs both have difficulties in doing this and perhaps even lack motivation in doing so, but they still experience emotions just as intensively.

Especially in regards to the topic here, NDs have much stronger infatuations that lasts longer than NTs. This typically creates problems in dating and breakups when they cannot move on easily. Personally, I have very strong and long lasting infatuations, and I do feel some urge to discuss it with people, but then it is about analysing things, not to talk about the emotion. I also feel that love should be shown with actions, not talked about.


It can be difficult to talk about them sometimes, but I do want to verbalize how I feel to people including my boyfriend. So that makes a bit more sense.

But why cant love be shown with actions and talking about it? I mean do you feel there is something inherently wrong with talking about it....or you just don't see it as necessary? I do both with my boyfriend I show plenty of affection through actions but will still verbally tell him I love him as I am sure its something pleasing for him to hear even though if I didn't say it he'd probably still know...and I like when he says it to me.


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27 Jul 2016, 1:14 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
It can be difficult to talk about them sometimes, but I do want to verbalize how I feel to people including my boyfriend. So that makes a bit more sense.


I sometimes want to talk about how I'm feeling about things, but then I will do this by describing the situation and how I interpret it, but I will not talk about the emotion itself. So if I'm sad about something, I'll describe what happened and then assume the person I'm talking to will know I'm sad about it.

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But why cant love be shown with actions and talking about it? I mean do you feel there is something inherently wrong with talking about it....or you just don't see it as necessary? I do both with my boyfriend I show plenty of affection through actions but will still verbally tell him I love him as I am sure its something pleasing for him to hear even though if I didn't say it he'd probably still know...and I like when he says it to me.


Wife heard the advice that partners should reassure each others they still love each others verbally, but this just developed into a rather meaningless ritual where I'd answer it with stock phrases. I'd rather wish she stopped doing that as I feel it is utterly meaningless for both of us.



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27 Jul 2016, 1:21 pm

This sounds more about things like the "I love you honey" type of expressing -- even NT couples sometimes complain about that. I was thinking more along the lines of serious talks like being concerned about the finances or a new friend, or that you're feeling left out now that the partner is working longer hours, etc. Or that you've had such a terrible day, or that your parent has died and you've got to share how you feel with someone who loves you the most. Those kinds of "words rather than action" are quite important to keep open lines of communication.



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27 Jul 2016, 1:27 pm

BirdInFlight wrote:
To rdos regarding emotion and aspies: There are some neurodiverse/ASD people who do feel a need to share/discuss emotions, be more affectionate, though, as there are some emotional ASD people and not just the "logical, unemotional" type, which is somewhat of a stereotype.


This stereotype is neither true nor helpful. To the contrary, I think many severe problems of autistics are based on experiencing emotions too intensively. There might be a few logical-only Aspies, but they atypical.



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27 Jul 2016, 1:37 pm

BirdInFlight wrote:
This sounds more about things like the "I love you honey" type of expressing -- even NT couples sometimes complain about that. I was thinking more along the lines of serious talks like being concerned about the finances or a new friend, or that you're feeling left out now that the partner is working longer hours, etc. Or that you've had such a terrible day, or that your parent has died and you've got to share how you feel with someone who loves you the most. Those kinds of "words rather than action" are quite important to keep open lines of communication.



I think all of those are scenarios where I'd keep it to myself mostly:

When we were really having financial problems, I simply informed her we had no money, so she couldn't spend. I eventually solved that issue by dividing our economy and giving her a fixed amount she could do whatever she wanted with.

About friends, I'd occasionally tell her what I think about a friend if I felt it was going all wrong, but other than that, I wouldn't intervene.

As for death, I handle that differently from others, and I typically will not morn or be sad. I'll just miss the person.



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27 Jul 2016, 4:59 pm

I'm an NT in a strong friendship with an aspie. I thought I would share what I have learnt . . . .. Of course this is constantly changing.
1) when he tells me I am being irrational he is usually right although the it often takes me time to realise it
2) he is equally frustrated by my ability to understand him as I am frustrated by his lack of "emotional responses"
3) he will do almost anything for me, but not if he feels "trapped" or "manipulated"
4) I sometimes feel he looks to other people too much for affirmation and recognition, whereas it feels like he doesn't always acknowledge how much I respect and admire him.
5) he has made me really consider and contemplate emotions rather than just constantly expressing love for many many people
6) expect the unexpected . . . .blurting out inappropriate comments, laughing when I cry and getting cross when I push for emotions, are just a different way of "being" I try not to judge
7) all of this is worth it- and I don't have the words to explain exactly why . . . . .. . . .



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28 Jul 2016, 2:58 pm

Anngables wrote:
I'm an NT in a strong friendship with an aspie. I thought I would share what I have learnt . . . .. Of course this is constantly changing.
1) when he tells me I am being irrational he is usually right although the it often takes me time to realise it
2) he is equally frustrated by my ability to understand him as I am frustrated by his lack of "emotional responses"
3) he will do almost anything for me, but not if he feels "trapped" or "manipulated"
4) I sometimes feel he looks to other people too much for affirmation and recognition, whereas it feels like he doesn't always acknowledge how much I respect and admire him.
5) he has made me really consider and contemplate emotions rather than just constantly expressing love for many many people
6) expect the unexpected . . . .blurting out inappropriate comments, laughing when I cry and getting cross when I push for emotions, are just a different way of "being" I try not to judge
7) all of this is worth it- and I don't have the words to explain exactly why . . . . .. . . .


Anngables,

You seem like you're both great friends! Have you not considered dating each other? Just curious.



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28 Jul 2016, 3:00 pm

Interesting question . . . .. . :lol:



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30 Jul 2016, 8:25 pm

And I guess if I had any idea how he feels about me it would be a start . . . ..



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04 Aug 2016, 9:08 am

I'm sorry to hear about the way things turned out. Unfortunately, I've been on the giving end of a relationship like this before I realized I had Asperger's...

I was in a 5 year relationship with this girl that I met in college. We really hit it off, studied together, went out together. From time to time, I'd be stupid, miss a date or something... but she was always very forgiving. When we graduated, however, that's when some of my negative traits started to take their toll.

It didn't help that I developed a bad rapport with her mother and sister (constantly making blonde jokes around her blonde sister...). That and when we had gotten engaged, I fought tooth and nail with her mother, and constantly worrying/stating about how much it would cost and that it would be better to just up and elope, etc. I've learned better since then.

Anyways, things came to a head when one day I told her that I didn't know if I loved her anymore. Wrong thing to say. she didn't forgive me that time. She cut off all ties from me. Left me numb for a year, and that's when I really started to miss her. I blamed her, of course. Granted her mother and sister were difficult, but I sure wasn't helping.

Then, about 2 years after the break-up, I found out I might have Asperger's, and things all started to fit together. Now don't get me wrong - there's no excuse for my actions. I was immature, and needed some growing up. But other issues which plagued our relationship, such as me needing large amounts of time alone, having difficulties hanging around large groups of friends, etc. could have been ameliorated somewhat.

Needless to say, it was a big life lesson for me. I won't make the same mistakes twice.

So to summarize, I am sorry for your hurt, and I hope that for him, this will give him an education in growing up, and for you, I hope you turn out happier in the long run and find someone worthy of your affection. Hang in there!



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04 Aug 2016, 10:18 am

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I'm sorry to hear about the way things turned out. Unfortunately, I've been on the giving end of a relationship like this before I realized I had Asperger's...

I was in a 5 year relationship with this girl that I met in college. We really hit it off, studied together, went out together. From time to time, I'd be stupid, miss a date or something... but she was always very forgiving. When we graduated, however, that's when some of my negative traits started to take their toll.

It didn't help that I developed a bad rapport with her mother and sister (constantly making blonde jokes around her blonde sister...). That and when we had gotten engaged, I fought tooth and nail with her mother, and constantly worrying/stating about how much it would cost and that it would be better to just up and elope, etc. I've learned better since then.

Anyways, things came to a head when one day I told her that I didn't know if I loved her anymore. Wrong thing to say. she didn't forgive me that time. She cut off all ties from me. Left me numb for a year, and that's when I really started to miss her. I blamed her, of course. Granted her mother and sister were difficult, but I sure wasn't helping.

Then, about 2 years after the break-up, I found out I might have Asperger's, and things all started to fit together. Now don't get me wrong - there's no excuse for my actions. I was immature, and needed some growing up. But other issues which plagued our relationship, such as me needing large amounts of time alone, having difficulties hanging around large groups of friends, etc. could have been ameliorated somewhat.

Needless to say, it was a big life lesson for me. I won't make the same mistakes twice.

So to summarize, I am sorry for your hurt, and I hope that for him, this will give him an education in growing up, and for you, I hope you turn out happier in the long run and find someone worthy of your affection. Hang in there!


Hi Stoic0209,

Thanks so much for sharing your story. I too am sorry for the way things turned out in your previous relationship, but I'm glad it has brought you to a sober state of mind in which you can thoughtfully reflect on what you learned and gain valuable insight. I am not planning on cutting off all ties with my ex-boyfriend because I don't think that's loving and I believe in forgiveness, although recently I have seen a therapist who recommends a period of no contact as I grieve and work through some of the emotional turmoil I've been feeling. I have been doing a lot of soul-searching and also research about Asperger's lately. I think a lot of what happened between us was the result of frustration and miscommunication, much like two people speaking different languages and not understanding each other. I still love him, although I don't know if that means we should be together. We are going to sit down and talk tomorrow evening about some of the things that were said towards the end of the relationship so I can try and understand where he was coming from. If nothing else it will help us both grow in our understanding and appreciation of each other.



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04 Aug 2016, 11:04 am

Good luck.


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04 Aug 2016, 2:38 pm

Anngables wrote:
And I guess if I had any idea how he feels about me it would be a start . . . ..



Maybe you should ask him. :)



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04 Aug 2016, 4:06 pm

I have tried . . . .. . . .