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09 Oct 2016, 12:20 pm

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In other term, what smudge is saying that it's ok, and even a plus, for a man to be violent toward other men- but not toward women or her.

In other term, she was one of those high school girls who would cheer for bullies. :|


I don't think that's what she meant. I don't want to speak for her, but I know how I mean it when I say the things I do. Actually, picking on those weaker is also despicable. I actually think showing the bully what's up is the manly thing to do... not pile on.

I bet she was the type of high school girl who cheered for the kid who someone thought they could bully then got their asses absolutely kicked by the weird guy... just a guess...

It's about standing up for one's self, and the honor and respect of one's circle. If you respect me there's never a reason to be violent. If you don't, I will not tolerate your disrespect. So what's the answer?

And I will formally apologize for hijacking this thread and now leave that as my last off topic entry....

...as you were...


This. I actually hate bullies.


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09 Oct 2016, 2:21 pm

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So what you're saying is... some girls are attracted to violent types? Oh dear, I wonder what Spiderpig would think about that.


I'm pretty sure you already know: not everyone can just decide to be violent and not get their ass kicked the first time they try it out. Especially the "a little more to teach a little respect" part. If I tried to do it, I'd be the one who ended up being taught some "respect" by the aggressor; i.e., he'd beat the living s**t out of me to make it clear I'm no match for him and he'll abuse the woman whenever and however he wants to whether I like it or not. Therefore, behaving consistently that way and living to tell the tale shows you're tough, likely much tougher than any casual assailant the woman may run into. No wonder it's hot.


There's many ways a man who is physically overmatched can extract appropriate vengeance. I'm not the biggest or strongest guy in the world. If you want to hurt someone you can. The human body has many exploitable anatomical weaknesses. It's the knowing what those are and the unwavering willingness to hurt someone if need be.

You know what you need to do Spiderpig? Find a local kickboxing or MMA gym and start learning to fight. You always talk about wishing you could be tough. So why not teach yourself? I bet there's a badass inside you just dying to get out. Any body no matter how scrawny, short, weak what have you, can learn to fight. Some of the mist badass people to ever walk the face of the planet were very small people.



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09 Oct 2016, 2:29 pm

I don't think Spiderpig actually feels he's weak.

It's more like he has an ironical view of the world, and plays devil's advocate.

He's a trip LOL.



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09 Oct 2016, 2:37 pm

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You know what you need to do Spiderpig? Find a local kickboxing or MMA gym and start learning to fight. You always talk about wishing you could be tough. So why not teach yourself? I bet there's a badass inside you just dying to get out. Any body no matter how scrawny, short, weak what have you, can learn to fight. Some of the mist badass people to ever walk the face of the planet were very small people.


I have tried wing-tsun for 4 months, learned some basics - but It was a too time-consuming activity and needs a lot of dedicated training outside class time too.

At my age, I don't have this kind of time- sadly.

If I ever have a child, I would make so sure to make him/her enrolls into some martial art at a very young age - if only my parents had a such vision.

I think Muay thai is easier to learn for adults, I feel what i learned in one month was even more than what i learned in wing-tsun in 4 months, sadly the instructor moved and couldn't find someone else nearby.



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09 Oct 2016, 3:17 pm

If honor needs physical defended then it's not honor. Honor can't be taken away by words. Some guy saying something at a bar can't dishonor my gf.
I see such activities as defending ones honor or girls honor as pointless violence.
Guess you'd call me a coward, but I avoid confrontation. Last thing I want is to end up killing someone over something stupid as perceived dishonor.

Honor is respecting life, respecting others, not stealing, doing the right things. Pointless violence isn't the right thing. Anyone who fights over honor is dishonorable.

It's rather a show on strength and nothing less.
I prefer to spend my Time on more intellectual pursuits.

Also I carry a gun and knife(most people do) any such fight or confrontation can become deadly when weapons are involved. While it may be legal you'd still killed someomene.

So yeah I'm a weak coward. I really don't believe in violence except in protection of life. Some girls precievied dishonor isn't life threating. If some guy is trying to rape her or beating her or beating a guy then I'll step in and try to stop it.

I realize this makes me unattractive to 99% of women on top of all my other unattractive stuff



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09 Oct 2016, 3:28 pm

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I realize this makes me unattractive to 99% of women on top of all my other unattractive stuff


Not necessarily. If anything, you're making yourself unattractive to women by thinking of yourself as such. Not to say a shift of mentality is all it takes, but it's a step in the right direction. I've fallen guilty of this as well - heck, I still do to this day. But I just keep striving to make myself better.


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09 Oct 2016, 3:35 pm

I’m in a similar situation as The_Face_of_Boo as far as time is concerned. I want to do a lot of things I didn’t do when I was younger and need to manage my time wisely, but I agree devoting some of it to some self-defence activity is a good idea. I’ll have to take a look.


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09 Oct 2016, 3:46 pm

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If honor needs physical defended then it's not honor. Honor can't be taken away by words. Some guy saying something at a bar can't dishonor my gf.
I see such activities as defending ones honor or girls honor as pointless violence.
Guess you'd call me a coward, but I avoid confrontation. Last thing I want is to end up killing someone over something stupid as perceived dishonor.

Honor is respecting life, respecting others, not stealing, doing the right things. Pointless violence isn't the right thing. Anyone who fights over honor is dishonorable.

It's rather a show on strength and nothing less.
I prefer to spend my Time on more intellectual pursuits.

Also I carry a gun and knife(most people do) any such fight or confrontation can become deadly when weapons are involved. While it may be legal you'd still killed someomene.

So yeah I'm a weak coward. I really don't believe in violence except in protection of life. Some girls precievied dishonor isn't life threating. If some guy is trying to rape her or beating her or beating a guy then I'll step in and try to stop it.

I realize this makes me unattractive to 99% of women on top of all my other unattractive stuff


The specific avoidance of confrontation, even if warranted, is cowardly. By definition it is. Sorry.

'doing the right things' is relative. To me, and I think many others, standing up for others IS the 'right thing' to do. Especially loved ones. Do you mean to tell me that if you had a girlfriend, you'd allow some man to say degrading things to her and not step in? If you say you would, I think your issue is less a philosophical choice of pacifism as it is being scared to do anything. That violates my personal code of honor-- failing to come through for a loved one. A stranger is dog s**t compared to my woman's feelings. And I'd very rarely ever just hit someone without trying to use words first. I havent had to fight in almost 20 years. I think its because most people expect others to back down and when you dont they get afraid. And if you must you hurt someone. If you are uncomfortable with this, then fine, I respect your choice.

I think there are women who like guys with your attitude. Like I say until they have to face a time where they feel they need protection and you fail to provide it. I believe, for the most part, no matter what women say to everyone else, no matter how independent they want to be, at heart they do want to feel their man will protect them. Some may not. But I think many do. That doesn't always take the form of physical violence. But being afraid of confrontation altogether is not a trait I think most women would find attractive. Maybe I'm wrong, cuz Im not one.



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09 Oct 2016, 3:49 pm

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I’m in a similar situation as The_Face_of_Boo as far as time is concerned. I want to do a lot of things I didn’t do when I was younger and need to manage my time wisely, but I agree devoting some of it to some self-defence activity is a good idea. I’ll have to take a look.


Starting with a basic self defense course, or even vidoes is a good way to start. Knowing how to disable people, pressure points, understanding leverage and all the quick ways to defend yourself in a pinch. Being aware of techniques overcomes much physical size issues.



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09 Oct 2016, 3:54 pm

It's a like weird thing because I don't want a violent partner. But if someone touches me inappropriately I appreciate my partner stepping in and confronting (no necessarily with violence) the other person. I do like that I can feel safe with him as opposed to when I am alone.

I remember when my friend was grabbed by the waist and pulled away from her boyfriend by this drunk guy. She like looked to her boyfriend to free her but he shrugged :roll: . I had to end up going and pulling the guys arms away. She didn't break up with the guy straight away bit it didn't last



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09 Oct 2016, 3:56 pm

Apes, we are all apes.

Stop denying that.

Hoo hooo!



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09 Oct 2016, 4:08 pm

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It's a like weird thing because I don't want a violent partner. But if someone touches me inappropriately I appreciate my partner stepping in and confronting (no necessarily with violence) the other person. I do like that I can feel safe with him as opposed to when I am alone.

I remember when my friend was grabbed by the waist and pulled away from her boyfriend by this drunk guy. She like looked to her boyfriend to free her but he shrugged :roll: . I had to end up going and pulling the guys arms away. She didn't break up with the guy straight away bit it didn't last


This is really all I mean. I may take it a little further personally, which also depends on the woman too, but Im not 'violent'. Someone can utilize violence without being by nature violent.



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09 Oct 2016, 4:09 pm

I would like to learn some self-defense moves. Would anyone teach me some?


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09 Oct 2016, 4:23 pm

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^ Have you ever felt that women didn't give you much of a chance? As in, they think you're uninterested, and give up pretty soon? That is my experience, or at least how I feel, but I'm curious to know if yours is similar.

OK, I can see your reply to mine now as I'm composing this. Yes, absolutely yes. I need the obvious, and directness, and the man to take the lead as well as me, if that makes sense. No hints. Maybe a buildup first, but then that's how the process works. If I'm definitely interested in someone they won't scare me away.

Your post is interesting. I mean, some are attracted to people who have more needs because they feel they want that person to become reliant on them a bit, esp. if they appear independent. I think that's why some men are drawn to me. I have anger problems too, and when I explain to someone that something irrational makes me angry, they immediately view me in a negative light and see me as a "bad" person, rather than seeing it as me looking at myself and admitting that yes, something I do on an everyday basis is irrational. I don't choose to act angry, and I often feel guilty and ashamed afterwards if I lash out verbally. I'm not physically violent, and even then, I don't necessarily look down on those who are. My ex hurt people physically, though not women, and it didn't bother me. In fact, it drew me to him a bit cos he really doesn't care if he beats up someone for being obnoxious. :lol: Some of his stories made me laugh, my sense of humour is a little dark like that.


I just want to mention about the bit in bold, I meant something irrational I might do as an example - I do *not* get angry on a daily basis. Annoyed - yes.


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09 Oct 2016, 4:38 pm

Alliekit wrote:
It's a like weird thing because I don't want a violent partner. But if someone touches me inappropriately I appreciate my partner stepping in and confronting (no necessarily with violence) the other person. I do like that I can feel safe with him as opposed to when I am alone.

I remember when my friend was grabbed by the waist and pulled away from her boyfriend by this drunk guy. She like looked to her boyfriend to free her but he shrugged :roll: . I had to end up going and pulling the guys arms away. She didn't break up with the guy straight away bit it didn't last

That's a danger to her . I'm talking more like if a guy in a bar across the room says oh that lady looks slu*ty and the violent guys response is to go kick his ass to defend her honor.



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09 Oct 2016, 4:45 pm

smudge wrote:
I would like to learn some self-defense moves. Would anyone teach me some?


Not exactly the easiest thing to teach over the internet...

Most basic thing is to learn to use objects which werent designed to be weapons as weapons... Keys through the fingers while making a fist can be used to the eyes or throat and that's more or less a finisher. But that's for defense of course cuz that could really mess someone up...

The windpipe can be easily crushed. I believe it takes like 6lbs of pressure or something very small that anyone can apply.

A blunt smash to someones nose dead center will cause their eyes to tear profusely. Thsi can be used to gain an upper hand or get to safety.

Of course, knees, kicks and punches to the groin are always a safe bet, tho if a man isn't well gifted its not always the easiest target to hit.

Spitting in someone's face unexpectedly, or throwing something in someone;s eyes (salt, sand, dirt etc) is a good way to gain a brief upperhand.

Other than that it's hard to demonstrate anything. And I have no formal traiing of any kind. Just always been an obsessive thought and I was raised being told all these little things.