Marriage isn't believable for me.

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03 Oct 2017, 1:25 am

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It's a popular opinion on WP.net that you have to "fix" yourself before getting into a relationship, but I think that for a truly strong relationship we aspies need someone just as broken as we are.

Bad idea! I've been there! I've dated a broken girl. Her personality was lovely but her depression and my depression compounded each other.

She really needed a completely stable guy who could give her full emotional support. I was unable to provide that since I needed some emotional support myself and I really didn't understand what kind of support she needed.

Well, we went throught this last year, we both developed depression and other mental health problems which amplified between us.
I found a really good therapist who helped.
I had a boyfriend with problems before and it wasn't really healthy with him, so I don't say it always works.
But depression can be treated, while being a freak - not exactly.


Ideally, somebody with proneness for depression shouldn't be paired with somebody with proneness for depression because they would compound depression. However, even if more neurodiverse people tend to get depressed, it's not really something that goes with being ND. Depression is always something you get from the environment. If only one of the people tend to get depressed, then the other can help making him/her feel better.



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03 Oct 2017, 11:37 am

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Yes, thank you. It's a popular opinion on WP.net that you have to "fix" yourself before getting into a relationship, but I think that for a truly strong relationship we aspies need someone just as broken as we are.

You know, I thought of it. Maybe there is just one important detail:
I don't know if it was due to a late diagnosis and lack of a label for most of my life, but I never considered myself "broken" because of my ND. Strange. Atypical. Excentric. But not broken nor disabled.
So instead of putting effort into repairing what was never broken, I looked for maybe atypical options for an atypical person. Disregarded a lot of the social expectations for my age and gender to search for options for me. Accepted solitude or living on a margin of the society as a cost of being unique.

I considered myself broken when the depression hit with the full power and anxiety grew to the border of dissociacion. That were the conditions to be treated. But these could be treated. And they are.


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03 Oct 2017, 2:42 pm

rdos wrote:
magz wrote:
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It's a popular opinion on WP.net that you have to "fix" yourself before getting into a relationship, but I think that for a truly strong relationship we aspies need someone just as broken as we are.

Bad idea! I've been there! I've dated a broken girl. Her personality was lovely but her depression and my depression compounded each other.

She really needed a completely stable guy who could give her full emotional support. I was unable to provide that since I needed some emotional support myself and I really didn't understand what kind of support she needed.

Well, we went throught this last year, we both developed depression and other mental health problems which amplified between us.
I found a really good therapist who helped.
I had a boyfriend with problems before and it wasn't really healthy with him, so I don't say it always works.
But depression can be treated, while being a freak - not exactly.


Ideally, somebody with proneness for depression shouldn't be paired with somebody with proneness for depression because they would compound depression. However, even if more neurodiverse people tend to get depressed, it's not really something that goes with being ND. Depression is always something you get from the environment. If only one of the people tend to get depressed, then the other can help making him/her feel better.


I disagree. I only get depressed when I'm without a significant other. Otherwise the rest of the time I can tackle the world despite what it throws at me.



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03 Oct 2017, 4:29 pm

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So instead of putting effort into repairing what was never broken, I looked for maybe atypical options for an atypical person. Disregarded a lot of the social expectations for my age and gender to search for options for me.

I like this. I really want to find a way to apply it to my own life.

Maybe then I can stop trying to be like a "normal person" with a "normal life"


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03 Oct 2017, 5:00 pm

My depression is from lack of a gf and love I doubt I’d be depressed otherwise.
My jobs ok for me, I have few hobbies I enjoy. I have just about everything I want. But I’m alone and this lonely. So I get depressed



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04 Oct 2017, 2:13 am

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My depression is from lack of a gf and love I doubt I’d be depressed otherwise.
My jobs ok for me, I have few hobbies I enjoy. I have just about everything I want. But I’m alone and this lonely. So I get depressed

"Being depressed" as being sad or "depression" as a psychiatric condition? Because I know both and there is a whole world between them. I know being depressed is suffering but there is nothing wrong with the person expiriencing this. On the other hand, the clinical depression is... the brain is broken, it doesn't work the way it should, it needs to be repaired.

I'm a naturally sad person, so I see a very distinct difference between these two.

Anyway, best wishes to you :)


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04 Oct 2017, 3:22 am

magz wrote:
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My depression is from lack of a gf and love I doubt I’d be depressed otherwise.
My jobs ok for me, I have few hobbies I enjoy. I have just about everything I want. But I’m alone and this lonely. So I get depressed

"Being depressed" as being sad or "depression" as a psychiatric condition? Because I know both and there is a whole world between them. I know being depressed is suffering but there is nothing wrong with the person expiriencing this. On the other hand, the clinical depression is... the brain is broken, it doesn't work the way it should, it needs to be repaired.

I'm a naturally sad person, so I see a very distinct difference between these two.

Anyway, best wishes to you :)


Depression can be caused by circumstances.



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04 Oct 2017, 3:31 am

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Depression can be caused by circumstances.

Sure. Broken leg is also caused by the circumstances. Or chronic throat infection caused by too dry air in your home. Or anything, lots of treatable and non-treatable conditions are caused by circumstances.
I don't deny a possibility that Sly has a clinical depression.
I was only pointing at the distinction between feeling depressed and clinical depression. They are to easy to be confused in English and you need to be cautious about it. Because there is no possibility nor need to remove all the sadness from one's life but a clinical depression should be treated.


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04 Oct 2017, 3:45 am

magz wrote:
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Depression can be caused by circumstances.

Sure. Broken leg is also caused by the circumstances. Or chronic throat infection caused by too dry air in your home. Or anything, lots of treatable and non-treatable conditions are caused by circumstances.
I don't deny a possibility that Sly has a clinical depression.
I was only pointing at the distinction between feeling depressed and clinical depression. They are to easy to be confused in English and you need to be cautious about it. Because there is no possibility nor need to remove all the sadness from one's life but a clinical depression should be treated.


Yes I encourage anyone with symptoms of depression to go to see a doctor.



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04 Oct 2017, 6:18 am

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My depression is from lack of a gf and love I doubt I’d be depressed otherwise.
My jobs ok for me, I have few hobbies I enjoy. I have just about everything I want. But I’m alone and this lonely. So I get depressed

You're lucky that you only get depressed from one thing. I get depressed for all sorts of weird reasons and the frustrating thing is, the more I try to explain it to people the more my words don't make sense to me.

Sometimes I feel really happy for no reason but it never lasts for more than a few hours.


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04 Oct 2017, 6:38 am

I'm on the whole "fix yourself before getting into a serious relationship" camp now. I lived with my ex-fiance for a few months and depended on him for pretty much everything from financial stability to emotional stability. He abandoned me two months ago and I've been devastated ever since.

One thing I've seen that's kind of sad is that a lot of us don't feel whole unless we have a significant other in our lives. I'm working to get out of that mindset. Based on what my ex did to me, though (luring me out of our apartment while his family cleaned out his things in secret, then him calling my mother's phone to dump me), I don't know if I personally will ever be able to have a healthy relationship.



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04 Oct 2017, 6:21 pm

Annoys me it’s always people in or with past relationships who say be happy always alone. Same attitude of rich people saying “money isn’t important” yeah cause you with your billions knows what it’s like to love month to month.

Not to downplay your past experiences but you can’t possibly understand what it’s like to never had a relationship for 30 years and the feelings that come from not a single woman/man wanting you In a romantic way.

It’s quite sad and depressing. I’d much rather have had 10 failed relationships atleast then I’d know women like me that way but I either pick the wrong ones or I need to work on what makes them leave me.



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04 Oct 2017, 6:27 pm

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I'm on the whole "fix yourself before getting into a serious relationship" camp now. I lived with my ex-fiance for a few months and depended on him for pretty much everything from financial stability to emotional stability. He abandoned me two months ago and I've been devastated ever since.

One thing I've seen that's kind of sad is that a lot of us don't feel whole unless we have a significant other in our lives. I'm working to get out of that mindset. Based on what my ex did to me, though (luring me out of our apartment while his family cleaned out his things in secret, then him calling my mother's phone to dump me), I don't know if I personally will ever be able to have a healthy relationship.


That’s horrible he did that to you. But surpose he couldn’t have just blocked you like most women do today. Seems he feared your reaction or just wanted to avoid the drama something it seems most people want today. Seems a lot of people don’t care about others emotions or take relationships serious but we are dealing with the me and I want it now generations. When it gets tough or borOmg such people bail.

I’d gladly provide emotional companionship to woman.

Best of luck to you. Sorry he did that. Though I disagree with the fix yourself first as no one is perfect or ever can be everyone has problems and faults. So you’ll never fix yourself in your life and thus always be single.

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05 Oct 2017, 6:40 am

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I disagree. I only get depressed when I'm without a significant other. Otherwise the rest of the time I can tackle the world despite what it throws at me.


OK, I think that has a lot of merit. I've actually discovered that the only thing that I need from a love interest is to know that she is happy, cheer her up when she is sad and that she tries to cheer me up when I'm sad. Everything else is just a bonus that I don't strictly need.

Still, if both people have seasonal depression, then that could be a problem. But, no, if depression is because of loneliness, then that is not a factor.



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05 Oct 2017, 9:16 am

I've never got married. Things went very close to that fate a couple times but fortunately it didn't happen.

I was sad when things "didn't work out" but looking back now, I'm happy and proud that it never happened. Thinking things over, I've reached the conclusion that I was doing what's expected of everyone to do. People believe there's a path and one follows sort of a script to achieve success.

I am a single person living in a society built around the purposes of marrying and reproducing. Unfortunately, for the so-called "normal" people, an adult single is frowned upon and looked like there must be something wrong. They'll say that if you're a "loner", you're probably a criminal, sexually dysfunctional, unable to have kids... so on.

Atop of that, there are the notions of success projected by the majority of people which go way back to the stone age. One must be a winner. To be a winner you need to have this and this and that, wife/husband, kids, house... otherwise you're a beta.

These days there's plenty of these people who like to think of themselves as tolerant, compassionate, advocate of minorities yak-yak-yak but when faced with people who chose to live their lives in a different way, those hypocrites show their true colours. They'll tag, label and dismiss you. They'll throw in your face that if you can't find a girl/boyfriend, it's because people reject you. Some will not only throw their happy marriages and kids to your face but their lovers, casual encounters as well. They'll tell you how Tinder made things so much easier - subtext: "except for you, loser".



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05 Oct 2017, 9:41 am

rdos wrote:
I've actually discovered that the only thing that I need from a love interest is to know that she is happy, cheer her up when she is sad and that she tries to cheer me up when I'm sad. Everything else is just a bonus that I don't strictly need.


That's so sweet. I seriously want to bookmark some of your posts for future reference lol


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