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26 Feb 2018, 10:38 pm

Maybe we should focus on the person who created the thread.
I think the answer some might give is "yes" depending on circumstances. Love and attraction aren't one size fits all.
But if you choose to devalue yourself so much, the answer will be more often than not a resounding "no".


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26 Feb 2018, 10:41 pm

Sly. Come on. She’s one of the good ones. Many are good here. Why are you getting upset with her?



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26 Feb 2018, 10:45 pm

The OP is a better looking man than I am. Where is he getting his ideas from?

I have trouble getting people sometimes.



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26 Feb 2018, 10:56 pm

Sly. I wish you’d get mad at people who really think you’re not a “real man.”

Because they’re talking garbage.

I mean...telling these people off in words.



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26 Feb 2018, 11:07 pm

My answer still applies, having seen a pic.



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26 Feb 2018, 11:37 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Sly. Come on. She’s one of the good ones. Many are good here. Why are you getting upset with her?

I’m not upset at her we just disagree. One can like someone and disagree.



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26 Feb 2018, 11:40 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Sly. I wish you’d get mad at people who really think you’re not a “real man.”

Because they’re talking garbage.

I mean...telling these people off in words.

Such people don’t talk to me as I’m not deemed good enough for their time.
Atleast you don’t seem t be denying their existence I can’t stand being told they don’t exist and I’m just making it up. I’m not mad at yellow, I’m just voicing my opinion and experiences.
There’s a few women here who say I’m not worthless npbut they’re all thousands of miles away across oceans. I have to deal with women In Oregon. There’s seems to be a big difference between American women and European or Australian women. I wonder if I’d had better luck if I’d been born in Europe.



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27 Feb 2018, 12:29 am

Possibly......



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27 Feb 2018, 1:16 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
The OP is a better looking man than I am. Where is he getting his ideas from?

I have trouble getting people sometimes.

Perhaps it's not his appearance that concerns him.


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27 Feb 2018, 4:13 am

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many of those churches are anti-male (jacking off is a sin but trashy tattoos are ok).

Just curious what trashy tattoos being ok has to do with churches being anti-male?


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27 Feb 2018, 5:15 am

OutsideView wrote:
Jackblood wrote:
many of those churches are anti-male (jacking off is a sin but trashy tattoos are ok).

Just curious what trashy tattoos being ok has to do with churches being anti-male?

Nowadays more women than men get tattoos, though they look trashy on both sexes.


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27 Feb 2018, 5:53 am

What’s making him having to bag groceries for a living?

If his parents are at all old, there’s no stigma in him staying living with them. He could be taking care of them.



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27 Feb 2018, 6:49 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
What’s making him having to bag groceries for a living?

If his parents are at all old, there’s no stigma in him staying living with them. He could be taking care of them.


The stigma exists in some cultures. In eastern cultures there's an opposite stigma on those who leave their old parents behind.



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27 Feb 2018, 8:18 am

It is a fact of life, that men with low income are less likely to get married and more likely to be divorced when married, stats support the life observation as well.


Also most employers prefer to hire females in low-income office jobs, so the men who lack high education or expertise or work experience really really really have it much worse, if they can't have a mid-career then they end up unemployed. Let's not forget that there are way more low-entry jobs than mid-career or senior jobs in most economies, so those who are excluded from the low-entry jobs (men) have it hard to start somewhere.


Here, lemme give you a concrete example: http://i.imgur.com/rd3bNAH.jpg

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You see the pattern? Low-job vacancies target females. A reason for that is because they assume that women are less likely to complain about low wage, and more likely to stay content with it (because they assume their husbands surely work and would support them).

Now, in the western countries, you won't see this over-honesty in job ads because the law forbids it there, but law cannot scan employers' minds - I am sure many employers across the world have very similar assumptions when it comes to gender and employment, and anti-discrimination organizations or anti-something of that sort won't check what's going on in every small company, only the few large corporations are under such kind of surveillance.

You can see it yourself when you check the sex ratios of low-entry jobs in most small/medium companies, especially low-entry office jobs, which are predominantly female even in the western worlds.



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27 Feb 2018, 9:01 am

Stats don’t preclude “low-level” employees from getting dates. I’ve been a lowly clerk most of my life.



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27 Feb 2018, 9:03 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Stats don’t preclude “low-level” employees from getting dates. I’ve been a lowly clerk most of my life.

Nothing precludes “low-level” employees from getting dates. But their income certainly limits their options.

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
It is a fact of life, that men with low income are less likely to get married and more likely to be divorced when married, stats support the life observation as well.

Yes, real life is completely different. It's easy to be idealistic online, because here you don't have to pay for bills, child's education, etc. In real life, occupation is very important when dating.

https://www.economist.com/news/leaders/ ... weaker-sex