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07 Mar 2018, 3:44 am

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07 Mar 2018, 4:12 am

314pe wrote:
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I just don't believe most women are stupid enough to go out with a man who lacks morals.

Not intentionally, but there's no shortage of dirtbags who can con women into dating them. I have no idea how they do it, but they manage. It goes the other way too; plenty of women with atrociously nasty personalities have zero difficulties getting dates.

Because romantic attraction is (usually) not rational. Also sometimes jerky men are good protectors. Or at least they are good candidates for protectors. I guess the logic is that if he stands up for himself then he will stand up for his SO too.


There's a difference between standing up for yourself and being a dick.

Of course, since you've brought up the topic of standing up for oneself, people like me are incapable of standing up for ourselves, because we're objectively undesirable. How is a 22 year old virgin with severe depression, atrocious appearance, a low-income job, and a lack of charm supposed to defend his dignity against a well-adjusted bully? I can't do it, all I can do is embarrass myself in front of everyone. It's hard to have a spine when you're standing on a rotten foundation.



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07 Mar 2018, 4:26 am

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You're keeping yourself out of the ballgame with how you think. That's the way I see it.

Most women like decent guys with decent morals. The decent women tend not to like as*hole types. They really don't. If you try to be an as*hole type, you'll be laughed it---just like I'd be laughed at.

Yes, many would prefer it if you had a full-time job, too. And perhaps (in areas which lack public transportation) a car. But there are definitely women who wouldn't mind being your "chauffeur," provided you pay for the gas. Maybe, they would like it if YOU drove THEIR car. My wife usually likes me to drive HER car, as well as MY car.

I really feel like you've put yourself in a bind. Honest I do. It's not all "black and white."


First why is it me talking about women in mya area is attacking women? That ide seems to assume thst I’m just lying about everything which is insulting but not unexpected from chronos


You said...

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Most women don’t care about if a man is morally good.


Your claim is, most women don't care if a man is morally good, thus most women don't have moral standards, and that isn't true.



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07 Mar 2018, 6:12 am

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There's a difference between standing up for yourself and being a dick.

Sure it would be the best not to be a dick, but in some cases, in a harsh environment perhaps, you may choose to side with someone who is a dick but stands up for you.

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Of course, since you've brought up the topic of standing up for oneself, people like me are incapable of standing up for ourselves, because we're objectively undesirable. How is a 22 year old virgin with severe depression, atrocious appearance, a low-income job, and a lack of charm supposed to defend his dignity against a well-adjusted bully? I can't do it, all I can do is embarrass myself in front of everyone. It's hard to have a spine when you're standing on a rotten foundation.

I can't stand up for myself either. I just do what I can. Most of the time I embarrass myself but there's not much I can do about that. And I'm fine with it because my wife embarrasses herself as often as I do.

I don't have any other advice other than to get out of bullyish environment and surround yourself with similarly awkward people.



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07 Mar 2018, 6:22 am

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You're keeping yourself out of the ballgame with how you think. That's the way I see it.

Most women like decent guys with decent morals. The decent women tend not to like as*hole types. They really don't. If you try to be an as*hole type, you'll be laughed it---just like I'd be laughed at.

Yes, many would prefer it if you had a full-time job, too. And perhaps (in areas which lack public transportation) a car. But there are definitely women who wouldn't mind being your "chauffeur," provided you pay for the gas. Maybe, they would like it if YOU drove THEIR car. My wife usually likes me to drive HER car, as well as MY car.

I really feel like you've put yourself in a bind. Honest I do. It's not all "black and white."


First why is it me talking about women in mya area is attacking women? That ide seems to assume thst I’m just lying about everything which is insulting but not unexpected from chronos


You said...

sly279 wrote:
Most women don’t care about if a man is morally good.


Your claim is, most women don't if a man is morally good, thus most women don't have moral standards, and that isn't true.



Ladies of WP, please stop doing drama every time you see "Most women" word term.



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07 Mar 2018, 6:51 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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You're keeping yourself out of the ballgame with how you think. That's the way I see it.

Most women like decent guys with decent morals. The decent women tend not to like as*hole types. They really don't. If you try to be an as*hole type, you'll be laughed it---just like I'd be laughed at.

Yes, many would prefer it if you had a full-time job, too. And perhaps (in areas which lack public transportation) a car. But there are definitely women who wouldn't mind being your "chauffeur," provided you pay for the gas. Maybe, they would like it if YOU drove THEIR car. My wife usually likes me to drive HER car, as well as MY car.

I really feel like you've put yourself in a bind. Honest I do. It's not all "black and white."


First why is it me talking about women in mya area is attacking women? That ide seems to assume thst I’m just lying about everything which is insulting but not unexpected from chronos


You said...

sly279 wrote:
Most women don’t care about if a man is morally good.


Your claim is, most women don't if a man is morally good, thus most women don't have moral standards, and that isn't true.



Ladies of WP, please stop doing drama every time you see "Most women" word term.


The term "most women" by itself, is not the issue. It's when it precedes false and vilifying statements.

I do not let misogyny slide. Males may be more likely to be diagnosed with an ASD but if WP is to be a support forum for those on the spectrum, it needs to be a welcoming place for girls and women as well. In the past, it has failed at that and many girls and women were driven away by the toxicity and misogyny.

Sly's comment is in violation of the forum TOS.

from Love and Dating TOS wrote:
This should be a forum where both men and women can be comfortable trying to figure out what is going on in their lives. Generalizations along the lines of "all women are shallow" or "all men are jerks" interfere with that, and are offensive to the members of the gender mentioned. Please be careful to NOT make conclusions or statements that extend beyond your personal experience and the particular people involved.


If someone wants to vent their bitterness or ill opinions of women, there are pleanty of other forums on the internet to do it in, set up specifically for that purpose. There are even ones that do not allow female members so the men there don't have to listen to us object to their vilification and mischaracterization of us.



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07 Mar 2018, 7:05 am

Ok then report his post in peace.

Or call the police.



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07 Mar 2018, 7:11 am

Andrewdarr wrote:
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Most women don’t care about if a man is morally good.


I can't speak for "most women", but I actually can see elements of this trait in myself... some women like bad boys and I stand accused. I went through that phase. Possibly still going through it. As long as he's nice to me, I don't think I'd care what else he does. It's like having a big pitbull dog who loves you to death, but bites everyone else in the jugular. It's f**ked up, but it is ocassionally true.



It's probably this how the wives of the likes of Hitler and Saddam viewed their husbands.

....And how Lyudmila viewed her Putin.



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07 Mar 2018, 7:17 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Ok then report his post in peace.

Or call the police.


I might report it. I won't do so in peace.



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07 Mar 2018, 7:28 am

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Ok then report his post in peace.

Or call the police.


I might report it. I won't do so in peace.


Oh my....

So it's a chronos vs sly ....it's WAR!

:mrgreen: So fun, tell me later who won.



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07 Mar 2018, 7:30 am

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i'd like my partner to have her own vehicle.

driving people around gets tiring, (and with a big v8 sedan, expensive) especially if they don't "pay", she's no exception.


I have an idea: Man up, and ask her to pay. :mrgreen:



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07 Mar 2018, 8:05 am

Sly doesn’t mean to attack women. He’s not a misogynist. He just feels frustrated because women on his dating sites tend to desire that a man has a car and a full-time job that pays well. He feels the emphasis is on the above, and not on whether the man is a decent man with decent moral values.

I really wish he could go out in the real world and see that many women are not like that. Decent morals are what’s important. Some of them could even be in a similar situation to Sly, and would be okay with the couple (Sly and her)pooling their resources together to make a go of it.

Sly only want cuddles. He wants a woman who only desires the same.



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07 Mar 2018, 12:18 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Sly doesn’t mean to attack women. He’s not a misogynist. He just feels frustrated because women on his dating sites tend to desire that a man has a car and a full-time job that pays well. He feels the emphasis is on the above, and not on whether the man is a decent man with decent moral values.

I really wish he could go out in the real world and see that many women are not like that. Decent morals are what’s important. Some of them could even be in a similar situation to Sly, and would be okay with the couple (Sly and her)pooling their resources together to make a go of it.

Sly only want cuddles. He wants a woman who only desires the same.


Most of the people I've encountered who say racist or misogynist things don't think they are racist or misogynist. It begs the question, how many racist or misogynistic things does one need to say before one is a racist or misogynist? To the receiving party, that number is often one, because even though it's a single blow, it's one in thousands of blows by thousands of people who often claim they are not racist or misogynist. In a downpour one is only hit by a single raindrop once but one still gets soaked.

Maybe Sly is not a misogynist but it was still an attack on women in a downpour of attacks.



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07 Mar 2018, 12:29 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Chronos wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Ok then report his post in peace.

Or call the police.


I might report it. I won't do so in peace.


Oh my....

So it's a chronos vs sly ....it's WAR!

:mrgreen: So fun, tell me later who won.


There is no war here. I will not report him this time but it would do him some good to sign off and go get some real life counseling, or at least a therapist he can vent his negative sentiments to and who can provide him a healthy means to dissolve them rather than amplify them, as the internet often does. He does not appear to heed constructive advise here and he will certainly not find a girlfriend while spending his time on this forum.



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07 Mar 2018, 1:20 pm

Chronos wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Chronos wrote:
sly279 wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
You're keeping yourself out of the ballgame with how you think. That's the way I see it.

Most women like decent guys with decent morals. The decent women tend not to like as*hole types. They really don't. If you try to be an as*hole type, you'll be laughed it---just like I'd be laughed at.

Yes, many would prefer it if you had a full-time job, too. And perhaps (in areas which lack public transportation) a car. But there are definitely women who wouldn't mind being your "chauffeur," provided you pay for the gas. Maybe, they would like it if YOU drove THEIR car. My wife usually likes me to drive HER car, as well as MY car.

I really feel like you've put yourself in a bind. Honest I do. It's not all "black and white."


First why is it me talking about women in mya area is attacking women? That ide seems to assume thst I’m just lying about everything which is insulting but not unexpected from chronos


You said...

sly279 wrote:
Most women don’t care about if a man is morally good.


Your claim is, most women don't if a man is morally good, thus most women don't have moral standards, and that isn't true.



Ladies of WP, please stop doing drama every time you see "Most women" word term.


The term "most women" by itself, is not the issue. It's when it precedes false and vilifying statements.

I do not let misogyny slide. Males may be more likely to be diagnosed with an ASD but if WP is to be a support forum for those on the spectrum, it needs to be a welcoming place for girls and women as well. In the past, it has failed at that and many girls and women were driven away by the toxicity and misogyny.

Sly's comment is in violation of the forum TOS.

from Love and Dating TOS wrote:
This should be a forum where both men and women can be comfortable trying to figure out what is going on in their lives. Generalizations along the lines of "all women are shallow" or "all men are jerks" interfere with that, and are offensive to the members of the gender mentioned. Please be careful to NOT make conclusions or statements that extend beyond your personal experience and the particular people involved.


If someone wants to vent their bitterness or ill opinions of women, there are pleanty of other forums on the internet to do it in, set up specifically for that purpose. There are even ones that do not allow female members so the men there don't have to listen to us object to their vilification and mischaracterization of us.


From what I was told it’s not that’s why I say most or some not all. I work hard to remember to say most or some or lots. I know not all women are these way. But even if 51% are that’s most. Can you disprove that a lot of women won’t date men who don’t have their life together? I also never said most women don’t have more standards I said they irgnore them for a man with his life together. See tons of women with cruel a**holes. I dont know if he mean to them but he’s mean to others and like a lot of men will do whatever it takes to succeed in life, the whole it’s a dog eat dog world is thrown around a lot. I’ve been told by other men a lot that everyone lies, cheats, steals to get ahead and life and if you don’t then yiu will be a failure. I don’t and I’m a failure so maybe they’re right, there were certainly times I could have done ilmoral stuff that would have benifited me.

It really seems to me your pushing so that men can never criticize women at all, cause if we can’t say most women, or some women, anymore then we just can’t criticize at all and if it’d make it so our experiences are invalidated just to make you feel better. Which is a jsw idea.

Look most men care mostly about looks, boo or other men dies thst seem false or offend you? Doesn’t offend me, I don’t care about looks, so I’m one of the some men who don’t. 3.5 billion men on the planet, some could be 1.5 billion men. I would not disagree that a majority of men care a lot (too much in my opinion) about women’s looks over their other qualities. If you said all men care more about looks then I’d take offense and that’d violate the rules here.

Again I use to just say women this women thst, and sometimes I might mistakenly do it in a rush, but I was told by mods that’s not ok and I need to be sure to say some, most, etc not imply all women are a certain way which I certainly didn’t mean to. But now you want it to. It be ok to say any women could be a way? How is invalidating men’s experiences and trying to shut down our side of the conversation good? Would you like your experiences silenced and invalidated?



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07 Mar 2018, 1:36 pm

I don't really mind mild misogyny anymore... this Sly guy is just a bit mixed up. Back in the day, I tended to take an aggressively feminist (although slightly uninformed) standpoint. Now I'm like "Whatever." Life is hard for individuals of both/all genders and some men have a tough time and get a bit twisted. And some men are jerks, some women are jerks, and the most powerful man in the world thinks we should "Grab them by the p*ssy."